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Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 17, 2024, 11:12:30 PMEvery highly drafted QB that turned out to be a bust had a team that did their homework and loved him.  Just sayin'. 

That's a reason not to do it. Okay?

Quote from: TONKA56 on April 17, 2024, 05:15:40 PMDo you think it's worth it to move up and take JJ or Maye if it costs next years' pick #1?

Absolutely if the GM is convinced the player can be a star at the position. The Giants did it with Eli. If they aren't proactive where does that leave them for the future? I would rather they get a QB at 6 but if they really love someone they need to go up and get, they should. The reward will exceed the risk of it works out. QB is that important and right now they need one.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 17, 2024, 04:59:26 PMIf the Giants want to move up their capital is significant more attractive than the Vikings. So if we want a guy we should be able to easily outbid the vikings.

I agree. Cardinals lose out in Harrison and Nabers if they deal with Vikings. I still see the Vikings taking Penix at 11 or 23 while also drafting a CB in the first round. Penix to me might turn out to be the best of them all though not the best for for the Giants.

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 17, 2024, 12:43:05 PMIt could happen that way.  IMO the earliest likely team to bust his mock draft would be the Cardinals.

I think the Patriots will take a QB (don't know who ) and Vikings will trade up (with whom is a burning question... could be any of the Chargers, Patriots and Giants... in that order of likelihood).

I'm surprised to see Odunze ranked below Nabers, but it's actually a good guess that Odunze goes to the Bears.

Bob

Poor Nabers, he is probably silently praying that the Chargers don't trade back and come to their senses and pick him to pair with Herbert, as opposed to the Giants who don't really have a quality QB. The Chargers can then find a decent OT in the second round. There are many good ones.

So many very good receivers available. They will impact teams with QBs in place like the Chargers and Cardinals, to name just two. The Giants might pick one, but the impact in 2024 will be minimal, sadly.

Quote from: WheresDayne on April 16, 2024, 04:08:58 PMI've said this since day 1:  Jones has all the tools, Height / Good Arm / Accuracy / Mobility / Smarts / Dedication / Toughness / Etc.  The one tool he is missing is Processing speed and that is one item that can be improved with time but will always be an issue.  This is why just looking at him and seeing his tools can get some people excited about his ceiling only to watch him bump his head pretty quickly   

That was obvious immediately and has not changed. Hard to teach that.

Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on April 12, 2024, 05:46:03 PMI don't know but from what I've read, I'm left with the impression that both Maye and McCarthy are equally polarizing. If Schoen and Co. take a QB at 6 (regardless of who) I would be excited for the future and pray to God they got the right guy

I agree. There is no other option other than prolonging QB hell.

Quote from: StompYouOT on April 15, 2024, 10:02:25 PMI wouldn't worry about it, everything I've heard points to The Giants being done with Jones.  Can they draft his replacement??  That is the tricky part, but I don't think anyone in that organization think Jones is the answer let alone a top tier QB.  And that's even before injuries.

I just don't know if there's a way forward right now since picking at 6 won't solve the problem and neither will 2025 from everything I heard.

Lets put it this way: we know what we (Giant fans) have currently can't be more than average but maybe, despite not a top three pick, the Giants will get lucky and find a QB at six or elsewhere that might strike gold. At least that gives us some hope. The status quo, even with a better line and receivers offers  very little hope when the most important position on the field is no better than mediocre.

No way the Chargers pass on either Nabers or Harrison.

It's a long shot.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 15, 2024, 09:23:01 AMFor those who may not appreciate Neil's reference, Ralph V reported:

The last thing Mara wants to do is fire another coach, especially after he fired each of his past three after two seasons or less on the job. He craves stability for his franchise and, said one team source, "He's legitimately embarrassed by how much turnover there's been."

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/how-the-giants-looming-qb-decision-could-shake-the-franchise-to-its-core

He should be embarrassed. Who hired Shurmer, Gettleman, Judge? To avoid further embarrassment he should find someone who know football (and not stuck in the past) to run the Giants and stay out of it.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 14, 2024, 11:00:27 AMI would be challenged to think of a worse reason to decide to draft a player

If that is the only reason they are drafting the player, yes. It's do we get fired if we continue to lose with an average, injury-prone QB or do we roll the dice on a a potentially good prospect and hope to turn the franchise around. If the latter is a bad outcome they will be gone just as they would be gone staying the course and losing with what they already have.

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 14, 2024, 10:12:37 AMI agree, if you have been following my posts on him. I also have cautious enthusiasm for JJ McCarthy but his book in only in the first chapter.

I can't break down what makes a great QB in terms of evaluations. I do know McCarthy was at the helm of one of the most successful teams in major college football the past two years. And if the post philosophers had about how coaches think they can make a QB into top ten material, than I think they would be better suited with a younger QB with unlimited potential than one who has played five years and never shown any greatness in the position.

Quote from: Philosophers on April 14, 2024, 10:16:48 AMWhat I am saying is how I think the Giants feel, not how I feel.

If what you say is true, Philo, than we fans are in for an even longer drought of watchable football. And you might be correct. Mara is an owner stuck in the past. He has no vision. His father was the same. They might be nice, loyal, generous people, but as owners of an NFL franchise, they are hopeless.

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 14, 2024, 10:01:29 AMI think they can win games and he was a top twelve QB in 2022. In the right system perhaps he can repeat it. I have my doubts after last season.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-quarterback-rankings-and-tiers

With a 1,500 yard rusher, yeah. And hope the opposition misses chip shot field goals. Wild card is the high ceiling.

Quote from: Philosophers on April 14, 2024, 09:44:41 AMI think coaching staffs almost always think they can make some players top 10 at their position.  Their egos are too big.

Not happening here. After the Commanders pick their QB there is a very good chance the Giants will have the worst QB in the division.