« on: May 09, 2013, 09:38:41 PM »
"By that metric, Jim Lee Howell is an all-timer because he hired Lombardi and Landry as his coordinators."
C'mon Chris. No one is saying Parcells is a great coach simply because of the hires he made. I simply pointed out that if "having Belichik" was going to be used as an argument against Parcells's greatness, it should also not be forgotten that Parcells is the one who hired BB to be his defensive coordinator in the first place. Don't try to make straw man arguments, that's beneath you.
"I am saying it's entirely possible. Belicheck is one of the all-time greats. Better than Parcells, some would argue. None of this happens without Parcells' benevolence and vision? How can you say that?"
Yes, in the long run Belichik turned out to be greater than Parcells as a head coach. That's not the issue. He was a great coordinator long before he was a great head coach, and yes, it took foresight on Parcells's part to make that hire. Benevolence has nothing to do with that. An eye for talent does.
"I am saying Parcells is enhanced by Belicheck, not the other way around. Same as Parcells is enhanced by LT."
Sorry, but that logic has to work both ways. You have no idea what would have become of LT or Belichik or both without Parcells. Belichik is a great football mind but I'm pretty sure he learned a lot from watching Parcells work. He also won two Super Bowls with the Giants, which I'm sure you'll agree had something to do with Parcells being the Head Coach. As for LT, he had personal troubles and Parcells had a lot to do with him overcoming those and concentrating on being a great player. Also, as I'm sure Michael Jordan and Joe Montana would confirm, and as LT would be the first to concede, even the greatest athlete needs the right coach to achieve true success in a team sport. You can't deny Parcells's greatness on account of his having LT any more than you could argue that LT owes everything to Parcells. They succeeded together.