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Quote from: LennG on Today at 08:25:21 PMThat is correct Kat, but in those days, when Wellington was the boss, our GM, Mr. Young, was lord and master over everything. To the best of my memory, Wellington never meddled into anything Giants business. Young did as he pleased, hired, fired, drafted and if he needed to run it by Wellington, which I doubt, it was just a sign-off. We used to say the BM of the Giants was a job for life unless they wanted to step down. I believe Accorias had similar power, It wasn't until Wellington passed and John took over, that the meddling started. Now our GM is more of a figurehead if he ahs to get John to sign off on everything.

Len, he agreed to the job only if he had that autonomy. It was part of the deal brokered by Rozelle. And one of his first moves in his rebuild. Knowing a QB was the essential first step. He drafted Phil Simms.

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Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 05:24:30 PMI listed actual historic accomplishments by DJ.  Most reasonable people would consider a historic accomplishment (against a league with a 100+ year history) as "flashes of brilliance".  In what way did what you just say negate the point I made?

All of those accomplishments you listed happened as a rookie besides the coming back against a horrible Arizona team. Most of the people he was listed with outside Peyton and Russell haven't exactly taken the league by storm.

Kinda like the "how it started, how it's going" meme.

As a Rookie he also has the 3rd most turnovers for a rookie in NFL history with 5 less than Deshon Kizer and 2 less than Geno Smith.

 I feel so bad for Sham. He was a great horse but against Secretariat, he just couldn't compete.

It wouldn't be Derby week without one of your great clips on this, and other amazing horses and races.

Thanks, it was a tremendous race.

              

Quote from: katkavage on Today at 01:23:53 PMThank you, Pete Rozelle. He bestowed upon the Giants, whether they liked it or not, George Young. Appointed by Rozelle to save the floundering franchise. Given autonomy, Young put in process a plan. It delivered. And from Young and his doings the Giants got Accorsi. Now John Mara is left to his own devices. So far, not so good. But I'm happy that I experienced those Super Bowl wins.

That is correct Kat, but in those days, when Wellington was the boss, our GM, Mr. Young, was lord and master over everything. To the best of my memory, Wellington never meddled into anything Giants business. Young did as he pleased, hired, fired, drafted and if he needed to run it by Wellington, which I doubt, it was just a sign-off. We used to say the BM of the Giants was a job for life unless they wanted to step down. I believe Accorias had similar power, It wasn't until Wellington passed and John took over, that the meddling started. Now our GM is more of a figurehead if he ahs to get John to sign off on everything.

Truly one of the better players on some pretty bad teams.

May he RIP

 I don't think it is even close. The QB is the guy who handles the ball on every single play. The WR may get 10 touches all game. The QB can function with a decent WR and make several others look a lot better than they really are. A great WR can't make an average QB look great.

The QB is the leader of any team, not the WR. PERIOD

If we don't finish last we'll be third. That is our realistic ceiling.

Quote from: spiderblue43 on Today at 07:41:23 PMShort leash for Neal for sure. I haven't seen any signs of improvement.

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It's not even entirely clear to me why he should start at RT in week one over Eleumenor. You have two players who have played RT in this league. One has always been terrible. The other played at a solid level last year. Why would you go with the first guy in that situation?