Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 02:24:24 PMAs it relates to context, should we continue to decouple the Offensive Line from the QB performance? From your posts, I get the impression you believe only the QB benefits from the OL, but fail to acknowledge the OL benefits from sound QB play. If the latter is terrible, it can make the OL appear worse than it is, or at the very least make thier jobs more difficult.  I stumbled across the article below a few years back and kept it to test thier conclusions at the end of each year. I highly encourage you read and consider the points made.  To be clear, I'm not suggesting the Giants OL is great, good, or even average. I acknowledge they stink and negatively impact DJ's performance; however, I also acknowledge DJ's shortcomings contribute to a significant portion of his sacks. IMO, they collectively stunk...

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/are-nfl-quarterbacks-responsible-for-sack-quality 

You, me, and a few others have been making this point for years now. It just seems to be too complicated a point for some to wrap their heads around. So we end up seeing all those elementary school level posts as if there are no inputs (other than coaching) to an offensive line's performance.

It's a real chicken or the egg conundrum.  I think it's the QB.  For all the buffoonery of Gettleman...and lord knows there was a lot of THAT out of him during his despicable tenure... if he stumbles accidentally into Jones being any good he probably still has his job right now.  And we all know that guy is horrible at this job.

So to me you can have a bad GM and think he's good provided the QB he gets masks the stench.  You can't really mask a bad QB with a good GM.  No matter the pieces you surround him with, if he's bad he's gonna be bad.  And he's going to take the team with him.

Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 02:37:14 PMWhen does it end?  I stopped watching many years ago; the initial seasons were raw and allowed you to witness the sausage making.  Unfortunately, it's now a massive scripted production...IMO, it lost its initial charm; still, I'll watch this season because it's our Giants.

I assume it ends in June.

Turkey Day Again !

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 02:35:34 PM....

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 02:34:23 PMI don't know why they don't take it through the first two weeks of Training Camp. Much more meat on the bone.

When does it end?  I stopped watching many years ago; the initial seasons were raw and allowed you to witness the sausage making.  Unfortunately, it's now a massive scripted production...IMO, it lost its initial charm; still, I'll watch this season because it's our Giants.

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 01:59:15 PMThey don't know who the starting QB will be.

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I don't know why they don't take it through the first two weeks of Training Camp. Much more meat on the bone.

Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 02:24:24 PMAs it relates to context, should we continue to decouple the Offensive Line from the QB performance? From your posts, I get the impression you believe only the QB benefits from the OL, but fail to acknowledge the OL benefits from sound QB play. If the latter is terrible, it can make the OL appear worse than it is, or at the very least make thier jobs more difficult.  I stumbled across the article below a few years back and kept it to test thier conclusions at the end of each year. I highly encourage you read and consider the points made.  To be clear, I'm not suggesting the Giants OL is great, good, or even average. I acknowledge they stink and negatively impact DJ's performance; however, I also acknowledge DJ's shortcomings contribute to a significant portion of his sacks. IMO, they collectively stunk...

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/are-nfl-quarterbacks-responsible-for-sack-quality 

I was going to drop that point and it's a good one, but I didn't want to have to explain myself in a series of another dozen posts for those in the back of the room.

I'm actually looking forward to this production!