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Just win don't care by what score or how ugly it is.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 07:12:20 PMJust win don't care by what score or how ugly it is.
Couldn't agree more. Don't care what it looks like just win if you want to be relevant this year. Simple as that.
Quote from: brownelvis54 on October 02, 2023, 07:48:43 PMLets go BIG BLUE
I'm one minute in and dying! Vic is the man.
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I think we shouldn't concentrate on individuals tonight. But let's see if the passing game can click. Get some big runs. Defense get some sacks and turnovers.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 07:53:17 PMI'm one minute in and dying! Vic is the man.
I don't see how people can love this guy but have a problem with Joe Benigno. Benigno is like an 82 year old librarian compared to this guy.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 08:01:35 PMI don't see how people can love this guy but have a problem with Joe Benigno. Benigno is like an 82 year old librarian compared to this guy.
One guy is a stand up comedian who's job is to be funny. The other is a sports radio rock who takes his job too seriously.
Would love to have a dominating game from start to finish and not have any agita this evening!!
Let's go GMEN!!!
Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 08:13:41 PMOne guy is a stand up comedian who's job is to be funny. The other is a sports radio rock who takes his job too seriously.
Fair enough.
Two runs to start the game. Love it
Nice burst from Robinson.
Schmitz limping after Play 1. Awesome
Great job by Jones there.
That was a good play by Jones to avoid Adams and get it off to Bellinger
Seattle front 7 is meh...the giants can run efficiently.
Lots of protection and all day to throw but Jones checked it down there.
Love how Robinson is in the game early.
Wan'Dale baby!!
Robinson looks like he was shot out of a rocket tonight
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 08:20:26 PMLots of protection and all day to throw but Jones checked it down there.
And replays showed no one was open
Line looks tremendous so far.
Offensive line doing a good job of giving Jones time
OL is doing its job but no one is open.
Come on WRs
Robinson I believe had torn his ACL against the Seahawks when he had 100yds, he probably has a big chip on his shoulder.
Adams came in very low there.
Didn't get it.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 08:21:28 PMLine looks tremendous so far.
Playing a team who allows an average of 29 PPG..they don't generate much pressure. The loss of Thomas is probably the least consequential this week. Sucks not having Barkley though.
Brutal.
Awful
Don't like that play call on 4th down with it being longer than a yard.
Didn't get it. Wasted drive.
Typical Giants drive.
and the hits just keep on coming...
This is how the downfall always happens
Just take the fken points .... And the lead
missed it by THAT much....
why not rush to the line and try and draw them offsides w/o all the eligible player bs ?!?!?!
Should of let jones just run. Stupid to dive that far away
Two runs to get 3 yards. OL failed us.
Quote from: killarich on October 02, 2023, 08:25:48 PMThis is how the downfall always happens
Just take the fken points .... And the lead
Like them going for it but didn't like the play call
Stupid play to. Play calling is suspect again
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Think I'd have taken three but I'm not too upset at being aggressive (though the sneak was kinda half assed).
Now the D needs to ensure it's not a momentum shifter.
Is Daboll calling the plays ?
Can't keep denying it
WTF?
Quote from: MagicRat on October 02, 2023, 08:27:19 PMThink I'd have taken three but I'm not too upset at being aggressive (though the sneak was kinda half assed).
Now the D needs to ensure it's not a momentum shifter.
If this was last season I wouldn't be upset ... but this team isn't the same .... This can crush this team ... needed the points
Fucking hell
Quote from: ralphpal1 on October 02, 2023, 08:26:02 PMShould of let jones just run. Stupid to dive that far away
The league watched the Eagles do that every week and think they can duplicate their success. The difference between the eagles and other teams is they have Kielce and a QB who can literally squat 600+ pounds.
I can't believe what I'm watching.
It's Dallas all over again
This is exactly what I mean ... take the fken points
Thank goodness
Elbow?
Elbow down!
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 08:28:36 PMIt's Dallas all over again
Just had the same thought.
If this stands the team will crumble and get blown out.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 08:28:16 PMI can't believe what I'm watching.
I'm up at 0300 to watch this SS, Jeff.
Elbow and cheek.
butt cheek down
Giants have a history of weirdest f......sh.. plays ever in history of football
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For a bunch of smart coaches, this team plays dumb more often than it should...
Definitely should get overturned.
If it doesn't I may need a new TV tomorrow.
Get the stop here on 3rd down
Decent pursuit there by Thibs.
There we go.
Much much more like it.
Thibodeaux sighting
Thibs had a great first series.
Oh god.
He's not even close to catching that punt
Finally
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Jaysus guys, think of my f-ing heart here.
Gray, you're off returns son.
We had two special teams turnovers last year against this team. Can we please not have history repeat itself?
That was awful by Gray got lucky they recovered that
Quote from: Topshelf21 on October 02, 2023, 08:31:21 PMFor a bunch of smart coaches, this team plays dumb more often than it should...
Once more for the fans in the back of the arena...
Yeah who else can return punts? Hyatt? Campbell?
This team is going to implode
Call a timeout just to get sh** together Daboll
This team is so sloppy.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 08:33:10 PMThibs had a great first series.
Ojulari crawling in like a boss as well!!!
Watching them play is not good for my health and well being....
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The Giants are having one of those bizarre years Holy crap..lucky there..I think..twice.. yikes
Oh..just because the Eagles do the rugby play great ..Kelsce thanks..doesn't mean others can.
Good to see Thibs alive!
By week four xxxx like this should be eradicated.
Schmitz? Jaysus we're snake bit.
Giants brass thinks that because we have a good field goal kicker that gives all other aspects of special teams a pass. Infuriating.
Can anybody on this team get open?
Less Slayton and more Hyatt please
Lol good pass protection there
How did he not check the line before he snapped it on 2nd down?
This offense still sucks.
Was that play designed to get 5 yards on 3rd and 11?
Quote from: jgrangers2 on October 02, 2023, 08:37:39 PMCan anybody on this team get open?
There are guys open. The protection has mostly been there. Jones needs to let it rip.
It's all a bit......hectic, a bit uncoordinated.
And that corner blitz.....
Awful O already. No separation and Jones looks panicked. This with extra time to prepare..pfft. :boooo:
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 08:39:33 PMThere are guys open. The protection has mostly been there. Jones needs to let it rip.
Guys are not open. Stop the nonsense. They've showed replays of nearly every pass with no one open.
The OL was good until the blitz. Slayton, Campbell and Waller are just very poor players.
So glad we extended Jones for four years. I know he hasn't gotten much help but man he can get in the tank pretty quickly.
Neal is looking like he doesn't get it....this is a repetitive issue. Stands there looking like a turnstile every single game.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 08:39:33 PMThere are guys open. The protection has mostly been there. Jones needs to let it rip.
Who? On which plays specifically was someone open and not thrown to?
Offset?
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 08:40:50 PMGuys are not open. Stop the nonsense. They've showed replays of nearly every pass with no one open.
The OL was good until the blitz. Slayton, Campbell and Waller are just very poor players.
See guys down field that are not blanketed. Jones needs to be more aggressive and not always look to check it down or take off.
Just like you saw Geno Smith just do right there.
https://x.com/Dan_Salomone/status/1709005717477191947?s=20
Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 08:40:57 PMSo glad we extended Jones for four years. I know he hasn't gotten much help but man he can get in the tank pretty quickly.
He's been the whole offense.
D-line looking like it's getting some push tonight.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 02, 2023, 08:41:43 PMWho? On which plays specifically was someone open and not thrown to?
Even Aikman has said Jones is holding onto the ball too long
Event though the hold is called, Jackson bit on that move.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 08:42:42 PMSee guys down field that are not blanketed. Jones needs to be more aggressive and not always look to check it down or take off.
Just like you saw Geno Smith just do right there.
THey haven't shown any open receivers
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 02, 2023, 08:41:43 PMWho? On which plays specifically was someone open and not thrown to?
The Giants are looking deep against a Defense playing 3 safeties. Seattle can do this all day.
I hate those DPI calls. Contact is created by the WR having to come back toward the CB as much as anything. As long as the CB gets his head around, shouldn't be PI.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 08:42:42 PMSee guys down field that are not blanketed. Jones needs to be more aggressive and not always look to check it down or take off.
Just like you saw Geno Smith just do right there.
They are being bracketed. It's clear as day.
Survival of the fittest for both teams tonight.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 08:43:35 PMEven Aikman has said Jones is holding onto the ball too long
Cause no one is open? Lol
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 08:43:35 PMEven Aikman has said Jones is holding onto the ball too long
Or that he missed an obvious blitzer. But what does he know...
1st and 25. Right where they want us
Looks like our 12th man is getting to the team known for their 12th man
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 08:44:27 PMThey are being bracketed. It's clear as day.
Take a shot. But Jones would rather check down or run unless the guy has 5 steps on the defender.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 08:45:31 PMOr that he missed an obvious blitzer. But what does he know...
Again that's recognizing what's coming pre snap. It was clear that was coming and it's not like he was under center.
D line has these spooked.
Ugly football.
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 08:45:02 PMCause no one is open? Lol
You don't know that. On replay you see 2 WRs, Aikmen sees the whole field. I have the NFL+ package and can tell you in past weeks there have been WRs opened.
These teams are comparable.
Geno should've been brought down there
Ojulari should have two sacks tonight.
He slipped on one and should have wrapped up Smith right there.
Sort it out.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 08:46:24 PMTake a shot. But Jones would rather check down or run unless the guy has 5 steps on the defender.
Again that's recognizing what's coming pre snap. It was clear that was coming and it's not like he was under center.
If he takes a shot and throws an INT - you'll just blame him for that. Come I , you're not being objective whatsoever.
Seahawks bailing us out...
Tackle
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 08:47:02 PMYou don't know that. On replay you see 2 WRs, Aikmen sees the whole field. I have the NFL+ package and can tell you in past weeks there have been WRs opened.
Stats say otherwise. So does replay footage. But you're it's always jones fault lol
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 08:47:48 PMIf he takes a shot and throws an INT - you'll just blame him for that. Come I , you're not being objective whatsoever.
Or if he takes a shot and the receiver makes a play or they draw a penalty. Better than the defense knowing he's going to check it down or run.
Third and f-ing long.
Big mistake from Metcalf there.
Ah, thank goodness
This is a sloppy game.
Daboll is smart avoid what happened in Seattle last year.
Lol. I can't wait til Jones throws into triple coverage for an INT and gets praise from some here lol
The defense is much improved in tackling and covering. That is nice to see.
Adoree Jackson returning punts now. bUtsEhOrn!!!
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on October 02, 2023, 08:43:29 PMD-line looking like it's getting some push tonight.
Wink looks like a dead man walking whenever the camera is on him...
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 08:43:02 PMHe's been the whole offense.
We're averaging 14.3 points per game.
Did Gray not have a history of muffs in college?
Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 08:51:33 PMWe're averaging 14.3 points per game.
So what does that say about everyone else? Lol
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 08:51:06 PMLol. I can't wait til Jones throws into triple coverage for an INT and gets praise from some here lol
It wasn't triple coverage. Just because a guy doesn't have 5 steps on one guy doesn't mean he's completely covered.
Ojulari had his hand off sides twice and it wasn't called, yet.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 08:43:35 PMEven Aikman has said Jones is holding onto the ball too long
You said guys are open. And I'm asking you who you saw open and on what specific play.
Keep getting Robinson the ball
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 08:52:13 PMSo what does that say about everyone else? Lol
It says that Jones is incapable of raising the level of this team beyond its limitations on the line. The Chiefs have a bad offensive line. It doesn't seem to slow Mahomes much.
Wan'dale please stay healthy.
Jesus Christ!!
What happened with JMS ... i was busy getting my kids ready for bed
Jeez
Again holding onto the ball too long
Disastrous fumble.
Naked bootlegs are working well this year.
This game is over.... We should have took the 3 points earlier... dumbness after dumbness
Brutal
Sloppy team
xxxx
Ball security has to be better Jones
Quote from: killarich on October 02, 2023, 08:54:53 PMThis game is over.... We should have took the 3 points earlier... dumbness after dumbness
If that's why they lose they were never going to win.
Can we please stop playing Lemieux
Another unblocked defensive end. Great game planning
Baker is just standing there
Banks...
I know Jones fumbled
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That's how you avoid a sack and throw into a tight window...
They have WRs who can make plays.
We have Darius Slayton lol
Whiff by Thibs
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Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 08:56:42 PMThat's how you avoid a sack and throw into a tight window...
Yep not every QB needs their receiver to have 5 steps on a defender
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 08:56:42 PMThat's how you avoid a sack and throw into a tight window...
Yeah no credit to Metcalf lol.
You two are one trick ponies... haha
It's also nice when defenders don't get free reign either right?
Lesson for the rookie, but Geno should've been on the ground.
That's a garbage first quarter, we've had a "hanging by a thread" feel.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 08:56:42 PMThat's how you avoid a sack and throw into a tight window...
Jones should pay attention to how Geno plays. Maybe he'll learn something.
Another long year. Last year was such a tease.
I know Jones fumbled but Schoen has to get better lineman somehow these guys suck
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Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 08:56:57 PMWhiff by Thibs
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Seriously!? Thibs has been playing well tonight.
Time to check out people. It's gonna be two posters saying the same thing over and over and ruining the 4th game thread this year.... Lol
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 08:57:38 PMYeah no credit to Metcalf lol.
You two are one trick ponies... haha
It's also nice when defenders don't get free reign either right?
Like you are any different? All you've done is rip the line and receivers on just about every play.
This team's play is unwatchable. Can't get this time back.
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 08:58:14 PMI know Jones fumbled but Schoen has to get better lineman somehow these guys suck
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Seattle's offensive line is rag tag. Just as bad as the Giants.
He still whiffed on td play....Had QB l
For a loss and missed tackle
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Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 08:57:38 PMYeah no credit to Metcalf lol.
You two are one trick ponies... haha
It's also nice when defenders don't get free reign either right?
I'm guessing your old board doesn't miss you..."lol"
Jones needs to feel that
The offense can't do a damn thing with a atrocious OL. And Jones looks defeated already. Game in serious doubt.
Quote from: katkavage on October 02, 2023, 08:59:25 PMSeattle's offensive line is rag tag. Just as bad as the Giants.
And they are INSTANTLY getting to Jones ... we are getting pressure but not like they are
Aw WTF now?
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 08:59:31 PMHe still whiffed on td play....Had QB l
For a loss and missed tackle
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He didn't miss a tackle. He got pressure and the QB made a nice play.
https://twitter.com/danschneiernfl/status/1709009381893816683?s=61 (https://twitter.com/danschneiernfl/status/1709009381893816683?s=61)
Yep
Just add to the decision to take the kickoff.. team is imploding
Embarrassing start to a game with 11 days to prepare.
This team has some real mental midgets on it.
Can we get rid of Brightwell once and for all? He brings nothing, can't make a first down, and costs us field position with boneheaded penalties.
They need to run the ball. Give it to the RB. It worked the first series
Now that was a nice play by Jones
Very nice play, DJ.
Peeyew!! 11 of 13 Quarters of crap football. Outscored 70 to 6 in the 1Q
Barf!
Breida ... nice play ...but ahhh got to stay up
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 08:57:38 PMYeah no credit to Metcalf lol.
You two are one trick ponies... haha
It's also nice when defenders don't get free reign either right?
Giants WR never get credit when they do good or make plays its always great job Jones, why woukd that not go both ways?
When in doubt the Giants make Jones run. Not good
Quote from: True Blue on October 02, 2023, 09:03:00 PMGiants WR never get credit when they do good or make plays its always great job Jones, why woukd that not go both ways?
I'll give them all the credit when they make a play. Let me know when they do.
Leminux is just awful.
Hurry up offense to do that ?
Yet when we are down 20 points in the second half of a game we dont hurry up
There is nothing good about this team.
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 09:03:51 PMI'll give them all the credit when they make a play. Let me know when they do.
Yet they just did
Why did Jones leave the pocket there? Was it a designed quarterbacks sprint? The protection looked like it was there.
Jones bides time. Looks at all his WRs. No one open.
Shocking isn't it?
Why are we not looking to throw to TE
Giant coaching is suspect.
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 09:04:36 PMThere is nothing good about this team.
The defense has been ok. Can't blame them for the TD on a short field.
Special teams.....
This is beyond sloppy, in all three phases.
"and the offense is stuck in neutral" quotes the a-hole
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 09:04:51 PMYet they just did
Our WR made a play? Who was it?
I saw Jones bide time find his RB for a big gain. What did our WR do? Fall down?
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 09:05:01 PMJones bides time. Looks at all his WRs. No one open.
Shocking isn't it?
He abandoned a clean pocket and cut off half the field for himself
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on October 02, 2023, 09:03:58 PMLeminux is just awful.
Hard to believe he's still on the team, Ed.
Where's Waller?
Aside from a 9 play drive in the preseason, he's been invisible.
Has Jones audibled at all?
Is really Jones or are the receivers not getting open ? See Seems like when looking down field there is no one to throw to
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This is just a terrible team. I'm quickly losing confidence in this head coach as well.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 09:04:57 PMWhy did Jones leave the pocket there? Was it a designed quarterbacks sprint? The protection looked like it was there.
Predictable how he reacted to that. Took Brieda being 10 yards away from everyone to get thrown the ball on the previous third down.
This looks bad on everyone..starting from training camp. Seattle is hardly a juggernaut and the Giants are completely lost and dumb.
Quote from: Messiah717 on October 02, 2023, 09:06:32 PMThis is just a terrible team. I'm quickly losing confidence in this head coach as well.
Carroll is schooling him.
We look awfully poorly prepared on a long week.
Quote from: katkavage on October 02, 2023, 09:05:16 PMGiant coaching is suspect.
I am starting to agree...
It's now concerning :no:
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 09:05:25 PMThe defense has been ok. Can't blame them for the TD on a short field.
OK < Good
I'm struggling to stay hopeful.
Quote from: Messiah717 on October 02, 2023, 09:06:32 PMThis is just a terrible team. I'm quickly losing confidence in this head coach as well.
Think it's fair to knock Daboll for the team being his undisciplined after 11 days off
For people who say injuries don't matter or have a big effect?
Lemieux was late on a pull leading to an unblocked defender and then the next series - lets a defender slide right by him for a 6 yard loss.
Injuries matter.
Quote from: jgrangers2 on October 02, 2023, 09:06:03 PMHe abandoned a clean pocket and cut off half the field for himself
I can't figure out why he left a clean pocket.
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 09:08:01 PMFor people who say injuries don't matter or have a big effect?
Lemieux was late on a pull leading to an unblocked defender and then the next series - lets a defender slide right by him for a 6 yard loss.
Injuries matter.
Literally no one said injuries don't matter.
https://x.com/Dan_Salomone/status/1709012519002484991?s=20
I don't know if anyone is open or not but with Jones holding the ball so long, they either aren't or he's too hesitant. Bottom line is they are effective running the ball except for that one turnstile by Lemieux. They should stick with it.
Seattle isn't playing too sharp either. They should be up more.
Jones has PTSD. Even when he has time, he hears footsteps.
That looks nasty for Smith.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 02, 2023, 09:10:11 PMI don't know if anyone is open or not but with Jones holding the ball so long, they either aren't or he's too hesitant. Bottom line is they are effective running the ball except for that one turnstile by Lemieux. They should stick with it.
Seattle isn't playing too sharp either. They should be up more.
I think they were hoping to take advantage of Seattle's 31st rank, pass defense. Clearly, that's not working early.
Hawks have both starting tackles out and now a starting guard and their best defender is out as well. Stop with the injury stuff already.
Simmons is so fast sideline to sideline... play the guy more man
https://twitter.com/Patricia_Traina/status/1709011491691618782
Doesn't Geno need to sit out a play?
Quote from: umassgrad on October 02, 2023, 09:11:20 PMHawks have both starting tackles out and now a starting guard and their best defender is out as well. Stop with the injury stuff already.
Well we aren't getting the instant push like they are
Which is sad
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 09:08:01 PMFor people who say injuries don't matter or have a big effect?
Lemieux was late on a pull leading to an unblocked defender and then the next series - lets a defender slide right by him for a 6 yard loss.
Injuries matter.
Yep, especially when you have a QB who needs all the time in the world and his receivers with 5 steps on defenders to get the ball.
Wow. Great play Thibs.
xxxx!
Oh that was close.
Thibodeaux having his best game since late last season
Ugh Thibs was sooooo close!!!
Thibs...allmmoosssttt
Good news is the Giants won't have any prime time games next year....many 1 o clock games
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Defense doing their part. Jones and Co. need to put up points.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 09:12:31 PMYep, especially when you have a QB who needs all the time in the world and his receivers with 5 steps on defenders to get the ball.
One
Trick
Pony
So far, so bad.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 09:12:51 PMThibodeaux having his best game since late last season
He's pass rushing against backups .. hopefully this wakes him up
Smith is hurt.
What was Smith getting bent out of shape about?
He took off, he was tackled in bounds.
Refs are our most effective element :surrender:
MORE BAD SPECIALS...FIRE MCMESS!
Special teams is pathetic, really bad at every aspect of ST's
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 09:13:30 PMOne
Trick
Pony
There are multiple reports/tweets proving all your points to be BS, but you continue with this crap?
Why was Geno allowed back in the game? Did Seattle call a time out? You are supposed to sit one play if you head to the sideline for assistance.
So we literally have no punt returner. No one can call a fair catch. Every punt will pin us deep. What a ST joke.
This is two poor teams, we need to drag a win from someplace here.
Nice play by Jackson on punt ...not really catch the ball
This team has no discipline....new staff needed under Daboll
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31st ranked pass defense... like c'mon
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 02, 2023, 09:13:11 PMDefense doing their part. Jones and Co. need to put up points.
Defense is playing better than I expected. Offense is playing worse than I expected.
Need to keep feeding Robinson the ball.
Quote from: killarich on October 02, 2023, 09:13:44 PMHe's pass rushing against backups .. hopefully this wakes him up
That's a fair point, Kill. Seattle playing backup tackles helps.
Feels like I wake up in the Twilight Zone every time I watch a Giants game....utterly ridiculous!!
Quote from: MagicRat on October 02, 2023, 09:14:00 PMWhat was Smith getting bent out of shape about?
He took off, he was tackled in bounds.
Because QBs think they are not allowed to be touched when they turn into a running back.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 09:14:44 PMThere are multiple reports/tweets proving all your points to be BS, but you continue with this crap?
One play. What about the others? How about unblocked defensive ends nailing our QB?
Don't see any posts from you guys there.
Playing Lemieux is criminal
I hope he wakes up... because I know Glow has been bad .... But he should be playing
Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 09:16:23 PMBecause QBs think they are not allowed to be touched when they turn into a running back.
He also wasn't a qb on that play; he was a wr and not afforded the same protections.
Nice pitch and catch.
Paris just isnt impressive ... why are we not drawing up plays for Hyatt
Seahawks are absolutely decimated with injuries right now.
Seattle down 3 starting oline, and Adam's.
MASH unit needed for this game.
Breida having a nice half.
Understand the Giants need to establish the run but this is a bad pass defense they should be able to go downfield
Giants RBs averaging 3 YPC. Have to be better than that.
Shall I say it.... Breida may be a better receiving rb then Barkley
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 09:19:53 PMGiants RBs averaging 3 YPC. Have to be better than that.
Seattle is good against the run. Bad against the pass.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 09:18:50 PMSeahawks are absolutely decimated with injuries right now.
No excuses for them! Haha
Again keep feeding Robinson the rock
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 09:19:53 PMGiants RBs averaging 3 YPC. Have to be better than that.
At least they are running it .. 3 yards on first down is better than an incomplete pass
Jones having to handle some errant snaps
Robinson is a difference maker.
Was cambell going to throw it?
Robinson is looking great .... Was never a fan... and hes making me eat delicious crow
He looks like hes moving better after the injury then before
Another horrific play call.
Kafka is terrible
Stop with these short dump off passes Seattle is all over them. Get the ball downfield for crying out loud.
STOP TRYING TO DO SOMETHING WIT PARIS!!!
Danny checkdowns
Campbell needs to sit. He brings nothing, just like his jersey number.
Yey, points!
I dont fken get the love for Paris .... Draw those plays up for Hyatt .. he will do more Damage
I really hate this offense. Hard to compete when you need 20 plays to go 80 yards
Three points in the 1st half. What a performance.
Quote from: killarich on October 02, 2023, 09:23:50 PMI dont fken get the love for Paris .... Draw those plays up for Hyatt .. he will do more Damage
Or Robinson
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 09:23:12 PMDanny checkdowns
He had time to let someone else get open. Instead he throws it short hoping Campbell would do something good.
Giants cannot lose this game. Seattle has so many players down.
I just simply don't understand the 4 and 5 yards routes that kill all our drives.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 09:21:49 PMWas cambell going to throw it?
I wondered that.
Dog of a play, whatever the intent.
If Geno is still hurt and can barely move ... it would be a travesty to lose this game
Quote from: killarich on October 02, 2023, 09:18:25 PMParis just isnt impressive ... why are we not drawing up plays for Hyatt
I agree with you!
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 09:24:30 PMHe had time to let someone else get open. Instead he throws it short hoping Campbell would do something good.
Campbell doesn't belong in the field...
Coaching
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 09:24:23 PMOr Robinson
I agree 100%... as someone who was not a fan he looks GREAT
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 09:23:22 PMCampbell needs to sit. He brings nothing, just like his jersey number.
Damn, I agree that gave me a goid laugh
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 09:23:41 PMLol. Always Jones fault
Unless you want your night to end early, cut the xxxx.
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 09:24:30 PMHe had time to let someone else get open. Instead he throws it short hoping Campbell would do something good.
Not sure if he's being coached to do that or if he's too afraid to take a shot downfield. Either way it's extremely annoying.
seems like we just are not playing like a team, more like five on five than 11 on 11
Not sure if jones has audibled or not but I am sure he is not moving his head and is locked on a target.
Go ahead all you guys who will defend him. Never will win doing this. Defenses know where his head and eyes go so too does the ball.
Danny dump off.
Breida has been our offensive MVP. But take him out and you get notsoBrightwell who is god awful.
I agree with everyone on Campbell. Forget Paris!
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 09:23:41 PMLol. Always Jones fault
Not always. But when a player gets paid $40mm a year, dwarfing the compensation of any of his teammates, yeah, expectations are going to go up. Don't take the money if you can't handle that.
Quote from: katkavage on October 02, 2023, 09:24:50 PMGiants cannot lose this game. Seattle has so many players down.
Don't underestimate them. :hurt:
Ok now Drew Lock is in no reason for the Giants to lose this game. Don't want to hear about who the Giants are playing without it's not near what Seattle is.
If Drew Lock beats us....omg
Why bother with kickoffs?...very annoying to watch it
Our Ind FAs are showing the same abilities in NY they did in Ind.
Not going to win football games not throwing beyond 10 yards.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 02, 2023, 09:29:16 PMNot going to win football games not throwing beyond 10 yards.
Against a bad pass defense. It's frustrating beyond belief. ~X(
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 02, 2023, 09:29:16 PMNot going to win football games not throwing beyond 10 yards.
WeLl, we are on pace for 200+ passing yards, which isn't a given for our team.
Poor guy is shell shocked and on top of that he doesn't see the field.
10 days off and nothing seems to be better...defense ok so far
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Why are we blitzing and playing 15 yards off. A high school QB could make that pass.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 09:30:22 PMWeLl, we are on pace for 200+ passing yards, which isn't a given for our team.
think I clocked it at 7 games in the past 22 were we've thrown for 201+
Quote from: Trench on October 02, 2023, 09:30:55 PMPoor guy is shell shocked and on top of that he doesn't see the field.
It's frustrating. This game isn't very sped up compared to Dallas/San Francisco... and he looks about the same.
I think Shepard needs to be in game. He can get open
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The seahawks got us right were they want us
A back up qb
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 09:32:13 PMI think Shepard needs to be in game. He can get open
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Or just use Robinson and Hyatt more
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 09:32:13 PMI think Shepard needs to be in game. He can get open
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At this point in his career he can't. At some point Jones is going to have to take a shot down field and stop playing scared.
With Smith out, we should be favored in the 2d half.
Unbelievable
Absolutely disgusting tackling.
Tackling a disgrace. Absolute disgrace. And after last week? I don't even know what to say.
Team is a joke
Wow. So glad we signed 58...
Our tackling, and more important our blatant lack of effort in trying to tackle, is an unmitigated disgrace.
Back to their old ways of missed tackling
LMAO
Wide open and great tackling.
Wink Special.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 09:30:22 PMWeLl, we are on pace for 200+ passing yards, which isn't a given for our team.
Look on the bright side. We're locked into him for another couple years and we'll blame the line and skip on drafting any one of five quarterbacks who will go in the first round.
Great tackling clinic
That is f-ing criminal, absolutely criminal.
Yep, he stepped out of bounds.
Should be back a bit
Again their guys have no issue making plays
He stepped on the line way back surely?
How the hell does that happen on a third down ....guy wide open
Giants are never that open
This whole team is bad
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At least they didn't give up a TD... yet.
Just let them score ... try to get back some points before the half
"The Twilight Zone"
Poor tackling aside, how is he WIDE OPEN?
Jones getting out played by a backup that hasn't played in a year + is a very Giants thing to have happen.
Quote from: killarich on October 02, 2023, 09:35:56 PMJust let them score ... try to get back some points before the half
This can't be a serious post
Who missed that tackle
Now watch the Giants respond with either a pathetic 3 and out or they'll kick a FG and act like they did something
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 09:35:51 PMHow the hell does that happen on a third down ....guy wide open
Giants are never that open
This whole team is bad
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They are, we just can't identify them...
At some point - the blame goes on Schoen and the coaching staff.
This team is terrible.
I see Leonard Williams decided to show up. In the wrong way.
This team is so undisciplined. It's embarrassing. Daboll needs to get his act together. The hubris this team is displaying having done nothing of true value is outrageous.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 02, 2023, 09:36:46 PMJones getting out played by a backup that hasn't played in a year + is a very Giants thing to have happen.
Playing with only two starting OL too.
If it wasn't for Leonard Williams getting called for a penalty I wouldn't have known he was playing tonight
Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 09:37:44 PMI see Leonard Williams decided to show up. In the wrong way.
Lol. Thanks for the laugh.
I think the Giants are just dumb and don't know what they are supposed to do on plays ..
Too many defensive breakdowns ....missed assignments etc....
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Enough time to make it 21-3 before the half.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 09:36:46 PMThis can't be a serious post
Do you really think this defense is stopping them 4 times from getting a yard ?
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 09:37:29 PMAt some point - the blame goes on Schoen and the coaching staff.
This team is terrible.
They inherited a terrible team.
Flott blew the coverage on that 3rd down play. Played man with everyone else in zone
Another absolutely stinking half of football.
I've never seen a team so consistently bad in the 2 minute drill on both offense and defense
Anyone listening to Carl Banks? I'd love to hear what he is saying...
This D is bad, actually the whole team is bad except for Gano!
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 02, 2023, 09:36:46 PMJones getting out played by a backup that hasn't played in a year + is a very Giants thing to have happen.
Let me know when Jones has guy open by 10 yards and breaks off 45 YA. And breaking tackles.
Last time Jones had someone that open Brieda fell down on his own
Quote from: killarich on October 02, 2023, 09:39:09 PMDo you really think this defense is stopping them 4 times from getting a yard ?
That doesn't mean you let a team score. It's the 2nd quarter.
What a disgrace. The season was over before it even started. Sad season that will take a hard look at the coaching and roster.
This team is leaderless and has no heart. Bunch of guys outclassed.
Looks like they're wise to us.....
Everyone knows Jones is throwing short. It's insane.
I'm trying to figure out who missed that tackle. Guy needs to sit!
WTF why is he checking down instead of going downfield. Of course Seattle knew he was going there.
Why does Lock look better than Jones tonight?
YTF ARE THROWING THESE SHORT PASSES??
Jones completely telegraphed that throw. Very lucky to get another would-be pick dropped. He's had multiple of those now this year.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 02, 2023, 09:40:55 PMEveryone knows Jones is throwing short. It's insane.
Predictable as all can be.
stop with the injury excuses, Hawks have more OL out than we do.
Int even out at the EoY...that should have been a pick.
Joe Judge calling plays?
I don't want to hear about rebuilding and taking a step backwards. They are looking like the worst team in the NFL.
Without Barkley, Jones is just bad.
Jones just doesn't see the field well. If he had waited, Hyatt was running free in the secondary.
WHY RUN ? They are obviously going to call a timeout
Only team in NFL without a first half touchdown?
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 09:40:07 PMLet me know when Jones has guy open by 10 yards and breaks off 45 YA. And breaking tackles.
Last time Jones had someone that open Brieda fell down on his own
Dude stop it, The Seahawks are missing their whole line also and a backup looks 100× better than Jones. Lock was rolling out and taking shots, you mentioned footsteps that Jones was hearing... this lock kid isn't hearing them, that's Sam darnold.. which Jones looks less than right now period.
Third and eleven???
Third and eleven?
We waved the f-ing white flag.
Disgusting.
Absolutely disgusting.
Wouldn't surprise me if they get points here.
Mental midgets out there......New York media will turn on Daboll
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Keep smiling Cam Brown. Lucky it wasn't a 15 yard penalty.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 09:38:16 PMIf it wasn't for Leonard Williams getting called for a penalty I wouldn't have known he was playing tonight
This is honestly the first time I've heard his name all season.
Almost intercepted and was LOCKED on receiver!...this guy is infuriating. And then he does a handoff on 3rd down????....No audibled. He sees nothing. I have had it with him right now!
Coaching is bad. Oline is bad. Jones is bad
I repeat: Only team in NFL without a first half touchdown?
Are the Giants the worst team in the league?
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 09:42:15 PMJones just doesn't see the field well. If he had waited, Hyatt was running free in the secondary.
Nope he always goes to the check down and teams know it.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 02, 2023, 09:42:49 PMDude stop it, The Seahawks are missing their whole line also and a backup looks 100× better than Jones. Lock was rolling out and taking shots, you mentioned footsteps that Jones was hearing... this lock kid isn't hearing them, that's Sam darnold.. which Jones looks less than right now period.
Their backup made one 5 yard pass and he took it 50 yards.
Just stop. You didn't mention the prior two passes where he had guys open by 10 yards and completely missed them.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 02, 2023, 09:44:06 PMAre the Giants the worst team in the league?
I've said this for weeks now.
Can't wait u til I get yelled at all week when I criticize Jones
From coach of the year to hot garbage.
He better throw Kafka under the bus and take over play calling.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 09:41:53 PMJoe Judge calling plays?
Looks like it
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Yeah, take the time out.
We're dynamite on teams.
"Danny Checkdown"
Throw deep to Hyatt please !
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 02, 2023, 09:44:06 PMAre the Giants the worst team in the league?
I haven't seen all of the other teams but the Giants are making a strong case.
The Bears are the worst team in the NFL and it's not even close.
Brightwell gives them a first down.......
Lmao wow
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 09:45:20 PMFrom coach of the year to hot garbage.
He better throw Kafka under the bus and take over play calling.
T200 - Daboll also looks shell shocked. Now...will we try to score or sit on it?
Quote from: Trench on October 02, 2023, 09:45:13 PMCan't wait u til I get yelled at all week when I criticize Jones
Jones not good but he is not the only one...they all stink
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Brightwell having a great night
Daboll looks like he's going to explode.
Gary "not too" Brightwell
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 02, 2023, 09:44:06 PMAre the Giants the worst team in the league?
Right now definitely bottom three or four. Bears, Panthers, and perhaps Broncs are in the discussion.
We absolutely suck though. Barring a second half turnaround and come from behind win, we're staring down the barrel at 1-5 right now.
If we end up with a top 5 or 10 pick, there will be a lot of controversy in this offseason about what positional direction we should go in with that pick.
They've played good football for one half this season. This is really a disgrace. The offense cannot continue to be so predictable. There is no way they can even pretend to be competitive with their complete inability to threaten a defense in any meaningful way.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 02, 2023, 09:44:06 PMAre the Giants the worst team in the league?
I'm struggling to think of a worse team; in the end, it could work out in our favor. We need to fundamentally change our core group of players. There's 4+ years of data that says they stink.
It's looking like a big mistake keeping Brightwell. He is having a nightmare of a game.
This team should be booed out of New Jersey. Just failure in every aspect of the game.
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 09:46:40 PMI haven't seen all of the other teams but the Giants are making a strong case.
I saw Denver vs Chicago. We're worse than both those teams.
McGauhey needs to be fired tomorrow.
Enough already. Guy is totally incompetent. This is a serious league. You can't have people in major roles just because one of the owners has a soft spot for them.
I honestly think they should release Brightwell tomorrow to send a message to the players.
Daboll better rip into them in the locker room
https://x.com/NextGenStats/status/1709021180894843133?s=20
Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 09:46:42 PMThe Bears are the worst team in the NFL and it's not even close.
Bears potentially have the top two picks in the draft this season. I'd take that over the Giants situation right now.
What does this staff do all week... ?
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The MNF crew is having a laugh at how neither team is even trying yet can't seem to run the clock out.
One positive, we get a top 5 pick, again :surrender:
Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 09:46:42 PMThe Bears are the worst team in the NFL and it's not even close.
Fields and Herbert would run all over this defense and the guys on their defense who were good 4 years ago would suddenly be rejuvenated and get after Jones.
Quote from: umassgrad on October 02, 2023, 09:49:43 PMOne positive, we get a top 5 pick, again :surrender:
Cool, who are we going to waste it on?
15.3 yards of separation?
Hmmph- must be nice.
Quote from: umassgrad on October 02, 2023, 09:49:43 PMOne positive, we get a top 5 pick, again :surrender:
Unless they can come back in the 2nd half they're at least going to have a Top 10 pick
I'm still thinking about everyone who said this offense was gonna be a juggernaut
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 02, 2023, 09:49:24 PMBears potentially have the top two picks in the draft this season. I'd take that over the Giants situation right now.
Their entire front office is a mess. Their DC had to quit. Receivers are quitting. They blew a 21 point lead to a crappy team. No thank you.
Quote from: AYM on October 02, 2023, 09:50:00 PMCool, who are we going to waste it on?
:funnypost: =)) =))
Quote from: AYM on October 02, 2023, 09:49:48 PMFields and Herbert would run all over this defense and the guys on their defense who were good 4 years ago would suddenly be rejuvenated and get after Jones.
If only Gettleman had been patient and waited a year to draft his QB and take Herbert.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 09:51:24 PMTheir entire front office is a mess. Their DC had to quit. Receivers are quitting. They blew a 21 point lead to a crappy team. No thank you.
Our front office isn't a mess?
even Dave Brown is shaking his head
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This is why I said, let's not anoint the GM and HC after one year. McAdoo and Judge were looking good after one year too. I hope there's not a knee jerk reaction and it ends badly for Daboll this year.
Quote from: Trench on October 02, 2023, 09:50:55 PMI'm still thinking about everyone who said this offense was gonna be a juggernaut
Every year fans make predictions on what they see in camp and pre season and every year there's no correlation; yet, we'll be here next year doing the same thing. Fundamentally, we've had the same core for 4+ years...they are who they are and changing yet another coach isn't going to change anything.
Simmons is my guy. I hope he gets more time and freedom to make an impact. Love his hustle.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 09:51:30 PMIf only Gettleman had been patient and waited a year to draft his QB and take Herbert.
Wouldn't make a difference with this team ...better QB but bad team around him...
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Quote from: AYM on October 02, 2023, 09:52:03 PMOur front office isn't a mess?
No it's not. Not compared to the Bears. Do you follow the rest of the NFL. The Bears are getting killed all day on the radio today. Called the most disfunctional team in the league.
Nick Falato
@nickfalato
Some first half notes
- The #Giants OL is still a major issue
- Loss of JMS muddles an already bad IOL (and overall OL tbh)
- Great first drive - WEAK TUSH PUSH game
- Excellent to have Wan'Dale back
- Breida made several big plays - but also left some on the field
- It's painfully difficult for the Giants to throw +20yds -an designed concepts
- Another field side C2 flat CBs almost had a gimme due to DJ throwing to the No.2 on an out
- Solid job by OFF to get points after starting drive on the 2
- The pass rush came alive in the beginning
- Kayvan Thibodeaux's best half of the year
- Azeez Ojulari is very important to this defense
- DJ Davidson is the third best IDL on the team
- Noah Fant...this team's open field tackling is atrocious
- Both teams are committing DUMB/SILLY penalties
- Lack of discipline by Giants' players - wasn't really an issue last year
- Sloppy football — Giants need to finish this out
- Special teams is a joke
Giants seem like night and day from last year's team in terms of operation, discipline, tackling, and offensive success
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Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 09:51:30 PMIf only Gettleman had been patient and waited a year to draft his QB and take Herbert.
I meant Herbert on the Bears, their RB.
You are right, though.
Hebert stayed in schoòl because he didn't want to be drafted by Giants
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Gotta go Qb this offseason no matter the cost.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 09:51:24 PMTheir entire front office is a mess. Their DC had to quit. Receivers are quitting. They blew a 21 point lead to a crappy team. No thank you.
Ryan Poles is going to get the chance to draft the core of his new team. Fields wasn't his guy. This teams best playmaker is an oft injured running back who may not have many years left and they're tied to a QB who very well may not be the guy for at least two years. I don't think it's that clear cut.
Ugh.....this is so bad!
How did we get so bad so quickly from last year?!?!?!?
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 09:53:08 PMSimmons is my guy. I hope he gets more time and freedom to make an impact. Love his hustle.
He's so much faster than mostly everyone else ... he needs to be the full time starter
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 09:53:09 PMWouldn't make a difference with this team ...better QB but bad team around him...
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Watch Herbert play. The talent he's surrounded by isn't much different than what the Giants have. Guy has a cannon for an arm and takes shots downfield.
He won't do it but Daboll should yank Jones and see if Tyrod can make a difference. I'm sure he won't make a difference. Probably worse.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 02, 2023, 09:52:53 PMThis is why I said, let's not anoint the GM and HC after one year. McAdoo and Judge were looking good after one year too. I hope there's not a knee jerk reaction and it ends badly for Daboll this year.
Again, Dabal was fired 3x for leading the NFLs 32, 30, 29 and 23 ranked offenses. Like all coaches, he was viewed as a hot commodity when paired with an AP QB. Without one, he's the same guy he was in Clev and Mia.
11 days to prepare and you manage a long FG for offense.
I know Jones having bad game but the receivers don't appear to be open ...hard to believe if they were. Even Jones would throw to an open guy
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Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 09:53:21 PMNo it's not. Not compared to the Bears. Do you follow the rest of the NFL. The Bears are getting killed all day on the radio today. Called the most disfunctional team in the league.
First, you might want to fix your grammar before attacking someone else's intelligence.
Second, of course I do. The Bears front office being the joke that it is doesn't mean our front office isn't also a mess, given the players it keeps putting on the field.
This is a last place team. They haven't enough essential units even to be competitive with average teams. And major changes to the staff and serious consideration about the direction now.
It's gonna get uglier guys! ~X(
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 02, 2023, 09:55:23 PMHe won't do it but Daboll should yank Jones and see if Tyrod can make a difference. I'm sure he won't make a difference. Probably worse.
At least Tyrod will take a shot downfield. Can't hurt.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 02, 2023, 09:55:23 PMHe won't do it but Daboll should yank Jones and see if Tyrod can make a difference. I'm sure he won't make a difference. Probably worse.
I don't know, think eagles game last year the 1st meeting, tyrod comes in with hardly time left and threw for half of what Jones did basically did the whole game
All you stat guys out there check the stats sheets and see where Giants recievers stack up being open?
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Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 09:57:17 PMAt least Tyrod will take a shot downfield. Can't hurt.
Mara would go ballistic after shelling out all that money for Jones. And he's a Mara type of guy.
It's the NFL, guys aren't just open unless it's a busted coverage. Most guys are covered every play, it's why Qbs are paid so much to get the ball into tight windows.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 02, 2023, 09:57:42 PMI don't know, think eagles game last year the 1st meeting, tyrod comes in with hardly time left and threw for half of what Jones did basically did the whole game
If this team continues down its current path, I'd rather trade Tyrod to some team like the Jets that could use him. A veteran backup is wasted on this team. May as well play DeVito if Jones needs to come out.
I hate prime time games man ... we always lose and I'm pissed before bed
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 09:57:46 PMAll you stat guys out there check the stats sheets and see where Giants recievers stack up being open?
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I won't know until the all 22 tape is available. I have seen multiple tweets that guys are open tho. I know we had Hyatt streaking opened and settled for another check-down.
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 09:57:46 PMAll you stat guys out there check the stats sheets and see where Giants recievers stack up being open?
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Just because a receiver doesn't have 5 steps on a defender doesn't mean he's not open. Jones has to take some shots here put the ball in a tight space. Stop playing scared and looking to check down.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 02, 2023, 09:59:49 PMIt's the NFL, guys aren't just open unless it's a busted coverage. Most guys are covered every play, it's why Qbs are paid so much to get the ball into tight windows.
Thank you
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 09:57:46 PMAll you stat guys out there check the stats sheets and see where Giants recievers stack up being open?
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Coming into tonight - last.
Quote from: killarich on October 02, 2023, 09:59:58 PMI hate prime time games man ... we always lose and I'm pissed before bed
1-11 in last 12 Monday /prime time games
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The "nobody is ever open" argument is getting really tedious. People who say that define "open" as nobody within 5 yards of the guy. That's not how it works in this league. Sure - those situations do happen, but there are tons of completed passes every Sunday where that's not the case. Try watching other teams' offenses for a few series if you disagree.
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 10:00:58 PMComing into tonight - last.
Ugh
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Giants have three potential wins in the future: Commanders, Jets, and Raiders.
https://twitter.com/danschneiernfl/status/1709025491410104750?s=61 (https://twitter.com/danschneiernfl/status/1709025491410104750?s=61)
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 09:57:46 PMAll you stat guys out there check the stats sheets and see where Giants recievers stack up being open?
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Can't tell until the coaches film. I have to think there are at least some opportunities out there. If all those routes aren't open, it's an even larger problem.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 10:00:24 PMJust because a receiver doesn't have 5 steps on a defender doesn't mean he's not open. Jones has to take some shots here put the ball in a tight space. Stop playing scared and looking to check down.
Thank you
Jones Simply doesn't make those anticipatory throws into tight windows that you see Mahomes in Herbert make; most of Jones throws are simple crossing, post or like routes. It's just not his game; it's never been his game.
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 10:01:37 PMUgh
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Players or coaches problem. ?
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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 10:01:25 PMThe "nobody is ever open" argument is getting really tedious. People who say that define "open" as nobody within 5 yards of the guy. That's not how it works in this league. Sure - those situations do happen, but there are tons of completed passes every Sunday where that's not the case. Try watching other teams' offenses for a few series if you disagree.
Could just watch this game and look at a couple of Metcalf's catches
Jones is who he is. You all should know that by now. When he has Barkley back there he is more than competent. Otherwise if you put it on him just don't expect much.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 10:02:28 PMJones Simply doesn't make those anticipatory throws into tight windows that you see Mahomes in Herbert make; most of Jones throws are simple crossing, post or like routes. It's just not his game; it's never been his game.
Agreed but are that good to make the catch not sure they are
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Quote from: katkavage on October 02, 2023, 10:01:46 PMGiants have three potential wins in the future: Commanders, Jets, and Raiders.
Think they have a better shot against New England than the Jets. The other two I agree with.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 10:00:24 PMJust because a receiver doesn't have 5 steps on a defender doesn't mean he's not open. Jones has to take some shots here put the ball in a tight space. Stop playing scared and looking to check down.
Thank you
Great QBs can do this. It's necessary at the NFL level. Jones just seems like he's terrified of taking a chance downfield. If that's the case, he might just be too broken to fix at this point.
Geno back in
That's the game lol
Quote from: AYM on October 02, 2023, 09:56:19 PMFirst, you might want to fix your grammar before attacking someone else's intelligence.
Second, of course I do. The Bears front office being the joke that it is doesn't mean our front office isn't also a mess, given the players it keeps putting on the field.
When did I attached your intelligence? You seem to be the one doing it going after misspellings in a game thread.
Sexy dexy got paid and is no show so far this year
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Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 10:02:28 PMJones Simply doesn't make those anticipatory throws into tight windows that you see Mahomes in Herbert make; most of Jones throws are simple crossing, post or like routes. It's just not his game; it's never been his game.
No pocket awareness no instincts. He's a running QB with Eli Manning's personality.
Quote from: killarich on October 02, 2023, 10:04:30 PMGeno back in
That's the game lol
You're right, and it's a sad state of affairs that we have no chance in a home game against a hobbled Geno Smith.
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 10:04:55 PMSexy dexy got paid and is no show so far this year
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He's had the highest PFF score all season.
Quote from: katkavage on October 02, 2023, 10:03:28 PMJones is who he is. You all should know that by now. When he has Barkley back there he is more than competent. Otherwise if you put it on him just don't expect much.
There's 4+ years of irrefutable data that supports this notion; it's been obvious for at least a few years.
Quote from: jgrangers2 on October 02, 2023, 10:03:59 PMGreat QBs can do this. It's necessary at the NFL level. Jones just seems like he's terrified of taking a chance downfield. If that's the case, he might just be too broken to fix at this point.
That's the question I have is he being coached to play this scared and checkdown or is it a fear thing with him and he's beyond repair?
Quote from: killarich on October 02, 2023, 09:59:58 PMI hate prime time games man ... we always lose and I'm pissed before bed
As awful as they've been in the first half, at least you have the second half to come to grips with the loss and not be as angry at bedtime! =))
Quote from: spiderblue43 on October 02, 2023, 09:56:40 PMThis is a last place team. They haven't enough essential units even to be competitive with average teams. And major changes to the staff and serious consideration about the direction now.
It's gonna get uglier guys! ~X(
The problem is the same as it has been the last few regimes. A new regime comes in, shows some hope, then collapses into dust the second year. Highly drafted players regress the moment they put on the uniform. The offensive line fails no matter what resources are thrown at it or who coaches it.
If the pattern continues, we'll lose this game, get washed by Miami, beat Washington (because we always do) to get a little bit of hope, and then the bottom will fall out and we'll be wondering if Schoen/Daboll are here next year.
And with a pattern like this, are Schoen/Daboll even the real problems? Judge, Shurmur, and McAdoo ended up the same way as coaches and Schoen's picks so far aren't looking much better than late-era Reese or Gettleman. Where do we point the finger at this point? How many of the Gettleman and previous era scouts are still in the front office? Does the entire front office need to be cleaned out? Ostensibly Chris Mara and co aren't still influencing drafts since Schoen came in from outside the Giants' "family".
Barring that, John Mara is the only common denominator left and I'm not sure how you'd "fix" him.
Worst prime time record by a QB since 1970...
You know why Jones holds it? Because most bad Qbs don't make it to year 5 or get a new contract when they've never thrown for 4,000 yards or 30 tds in season.
Seattles OL is now dominating our DL.
Where's Lawrence and Williams going up against backup rookies?
Adoree has been awful again.
We cannot cover any teams receivers! ~X(
We have much bigger worries of our own but I can't say I'm impressed with Geno's behavior tonight. Get over it.
Geno is pissing me off now
Guys you are playing like azz
But hit him HARD but legally
This is awful. Looks like they don't even care.
Back-up O-Line scrubs looking alright on that 15 yard Walker run.
And another.
Wow, this tackling....
But this is a scratch O line and they're like a knife through butter.
You wouldn't even know the Seahawks o line is decimated by injuries .... Where is our highly paid d line ?
Basically they are having their way with us. I am at a loss as to how you fix this mess.
Our guys aren't trying. They wouldn't win if they did try, but they are not trying. They are quitters. What a loser team this year's team is.
Fourth game in and this team is woefully unprepared. Daboll has been miserable so far this season.
Ok, the wind taken out of the sails of the Defense.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 10:10:12 PMOur guys aren't trying. They wouldn't win if they did try, but they are not trying. They are quitters. What a loser team this year's team is.
Coaching, coaching, coaching
Big holes by Hawks 2nd string line against our 1st team D
Why isn't Simmons on the field? Three plays of 15+ yards by Seattle and no Simmons.
Celebrating???
Why not go for it? Giants offense ain't doing xxxx.
McFadden making great plays again.
Right. Offensive has to get it going here.
Let's go.
Now get the ball downfield!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Enough with the stupid celebrations when we're 14-3 in a hole.
Again, defense holds up. If the Giants don't come away with a TD...
I've said it in the past and I'll say it again. Jones is Hostetler. And that's not a terrible thing. But he's NOT a franchise QB. Nope he is not.
Jones needs to show leadership here and execute.
Come on team wake up pleas so I can wake up myself happy tomorrow
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 10:10:48 PMCoaching, coaching, coaching
Yeah, let's hire a 4th coach in 5 years and hope they can produce a different result with this same core.
Thanks Pete Carrol, now way we score 17 points tonight.
McFadden and Simmons need to stay on the field. Hell, play McFadden at FB.
Can we draw a play for Hyatt
And please no dinks and dunks
I think Club Daboll had an effect. Conditioning was not a priority and your seeing half efforts tackling all year.
Let's see if that changes the momentum.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 10:13:11 PMYeah, let's hire a 4th coach in 5 years and hope they can produce a different result with this same core.
Herbert is on his third OC, he has been fine with each.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 02, 2023, 10:12:55 PMAgain, defense holds up. If the Giants don't come away with a TD...
Defense had that one blown play that was awful but they have not been the main issue tonight.
Quote from: killarich on October 02, 2023, 10:13:50 PMCan we draw a play for Hyatt
And please no dunks and dunks
They have. He's been downfield.
More 3 yard passes!
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 10:13:11 PMYeah, let's hire a 4th coach in 5 years and hope they can produce a different result with this same core.
This front office is responsible for a lot of this core.
Stooppppppp
Quote from: spiderblue43 on October 02, 2023, 10:14:14 PMI think Club Daboll had an effect. Conditioning was not a priority and your seeing half efforts tackling all year.
I might have agreed with you a few weeks ago, but this is week 4.
RB was open in the flat.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on October 02, 2023, 10:03:07 PMCould just watch this game and look at a couple of Metcalf's catches
Then when they do catch a pass why are they tackled almost immediately all the time
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I'm so sick of this sh**
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 10:15:34 PMThis front office is responsible for a lot of this core.
Yeah, they drafted the players.
Nice blocking McKeathan and Neal.
Lol. But it's all on Jones lol
Quote from: True Blue on October 02, 2023, 10:14:41 PMHerbert is on his third OC, he has been fine with each.
Herbert > Jones
Gettleman knew it and picked Jones after Herbert decided to stay at Oregon. He should have waited.
Evan Neal is an absolute bust right now.
LOL, now I can't put on Jones had no time there
5 special teams penalties tonight.
Sixth sack......this is putrid.
Seattle have had a look at us, adjusted and I think this ends up a blow out.
We're a bad team playing bad.
DABOLL GET YOUR HEAD OUT YOUR AZZ AND OUT GLOWINSKI , SIT LEMIEX
More stellar specials play =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =))
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 10:16:36 PMLOL, now I can't put on Jones had no time there
Yeah, on that series the pass protection broke down. Not on Jones
At least hockey season is about to start in a week or two.
LFGR!!!
They are already at our 40 yard line ?
I'm seriously just about to go to sleep ... I'm so sick of this sh** man
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 10:16:24 PMHerbert > Jones
Gettleman knew it and picked Jones after Herbert decided to stay at Oregon. He should have waited.
Yep, but I wonder how much of that was Mara pushing to draft Jones and not being patient.
This poor kid has zero time to do anything at QB....seriously, how the kid is still upright is befuddling. He's got less than 2 seconds to step and throw and he's got hot garbage to throw to...
Seattle offensive line is decimated yet they are more productive than the Giants bad line.
So all you guys think Jones can throw deep When he gets 0 time to throw.
The line is awful no Qb can perform behind that line. That is why they are calling quick hitters because they can't block anyone.
That is very obvious snd z Herbert would survive behind this line
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phenomenally inept. SHEESH, Weeze and I could play better ST than that!!! :o
Another ST PENALTY. SCREW UP. :surrender: Awful. Pathetic. Embarrassing.
Quote from: katkavage on October 02, 2023, 10:19:06 PMSeattle offensive line is decimated yet they are more productive than the Giants bad line.
Yes because giants d line is bad
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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 10:18:09 PMAt least hockey season is about to start in a week or two.
LFGR!!!
Let's Go Islanders!
I can't get over how Seattle's offensive line is decimated by injuries yet they're gashing our over priced defensive line meanwhile our right tackle couldn't block a 150 pound defensive end. It's beyond embarrassing.
I really want Smith to get hit hard... clean obviously
Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 10:20:20 PMI can't get over how Seattle's offensive line is decimated by injuries yet they're gashing our over priced defensive line meanwhile our right tackle couldn't block a 150 pound defensive end. It's beyond embarrassing.
It's because we are that bad.
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 10:19:10 PMSo all you guys think Jones can throw deep When he gets 0 time to throw.
The line is awful no Qb can perform behind that line. That is why they are calling quick hitters because they can't block anyone.
That is very obvious snd z Herbert would survive behind this line
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On that series you're right. But for most of the game it wasn't that bad. They're calling for quick plays because Jones can't read the field or anticipate anything.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 10:14:46 PMDefense had that one blown play that was awful but they have not been the main issue tonight.
They have. He's been downfield.
If the offense doesn't start moving the ball the D will start giving up a lot more.
Just a horrible team with little or no talent on both sides of the line of scrimmage
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Jones last game as a Giant can't come soon enough for me. Yeah the OL has issues, but defenses have it so easy with Jones out there. Rest of the team goes from there.
Gotta figure top five pick.
Right. Decent field position, Let's go.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 10:21:33 PMOn that series you're right. But for most of the game it wasn't that bad. They're calling for quick plays because Jones can't read the field or anticipate anything.
Are you watching the same game I am?
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Come on now, decent field position, give us something here.
Fire Mike Kafka
Hawks are doing everything they can to keep us in the game.
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 10:22:17 PMAre you watching the same game I am?
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You're right Jones is playing great it's everyone else that isn't playing well.
Mf'ing seahawks are giving us the worst thing they possibly could....
Hope!
Again, this defense is keeping them in the game. The fact that the offense can only manage 3 points against a team playing CBs off the practice squad is a joke.
He is throwing short passes because there is no time for him in pocket
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Azeez is our best pass rusher
He doesn't have strength but he makes up with his speed and moves
I feel like Thibs just tries to push his way through half the time... only thing is though..this isn't college and he's no longer the big boy
Azeez just needs to stay healthy
screw it, I am going to bed, and watch "Call the Midwife"
Imagine if Seattles OL was healthy? Our defense should be playing like this against backup with one horrendous play not with standing.
Seattles offense looks like doo doo cause they are decimated with injuries.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 02, 2023, 10:23:32 PMAgain, this defense is keeping them in the game. The fact that the offense can only manage 3 points against a team playing CBs off the practice squad is a joke.
Woolen was a pro bowler last year as a rookie.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 10:23:22 PMYou're right Jones is playing great it's everyone else that isn't playing well.
Never said he was playing great in fact I said just the opposite but it is really clear the line sucks snd he has no time
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Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 02, 2023, 10:23:32 PMAgain, this defense is keeping them in the game. The fact that the offense can only manage 3 points against a team playing CBs off the practice squad is a joke.
It's easy to cover when you know you don't have to worry about anything more than 10 yards downfield. They have to take a deep shot at some point. At least let them know you'll try
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 10:23:32 PMHe is throwing short passes because there is no time for him in pocket
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Stop. Even when he's had time in the first half he's checking down not even bothering to go downfield.
I think Aikmen just made my point
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Are we purposely having Jones run out the pocket every fken play ? Jesus christ
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 10:24:34 PMWoolen was a pro bowler last year as a rookie.
Was my statement wrong? No. Your agenda is pretty clear though, which is why I've avoided interacting with you.
Crazy but it's still a winnable game
Seattle is giving the Giants every opportunity to get back in this game.
Jones sucks at trying to get rid of it, so awkward to watch
How are DTs unblocked on a run play?
Again the hesitation to go downfield.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 10:25:05 PMStop. Even when he's had time in the first half he's checking down not even bothering to go downfield.
I'm not saying you are wrong ..but I think you are 50% right ... to say Jones hasn't been under pressure instantaneously is an understatement
Throw the fucking ball!!!!
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 10:25:54 PMI think Aikmen just made my point
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He's also stated facts supporting the other perspective.
Best play fake of the night.
That could have been a big run by jones if Slayton made a block
Honestly we need to run Jones more ... whether he's having a good or bad game in the air ...he's always a threat with his legs
No Campbell on this drive.
Take the points.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 10:28:42 PMNo Campbell on this drive.
Idk why it took the. A quarter from being 1-3 to make that adjustment
Quote from: killarich on October 02, 2023, 10:26:01 PMAre we purposely having Jones run out the pocket every fken play ? Jesus christ
I hope they aren't coaching this and it's just a habit of his.
Now that was a throw on 2nd down you like to see him stepping up and making the throw.
Kick the field goal.
Daboll .,,just take the fg please god
13 carries for 28 yards by our running backs.
We miss Barkley - the drop off is just too big.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 10:27:23 PMHe's also stated facts supporting the other perspective.
Yep in the first half he got on Jones for holding onto the ball for too long.
Quote from: MagicRat on October 02, 2023, 10:29:57 PMKick the field goal.
I agree....make it's a one possession game.
Only confident way for Jones to get a big 1st down is to run it himself. What does that say about him as a 40 million QB
Nice play with no protection there.
No no no ...please god
Jones made a great play there
One thing he does well is running
Jones took a hit there
Cmon Waller get in the game here.
Keep running him might be the only way they score
Surely our Redzone TE must be an option
At this point ..time wise... we need a TD
Good fking god.
Great job Daniel
Oh Jones
That's all on Jones.
Game over
Game over
Sat on that route. Was that the oline fault!!??
=)) =)) =)) =)) =))
Well, that just about sums up the current state of our ball club.
Again looking for the check down instead of in the end zone
Game and season over. Good night! :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok:
Was Campbell the target???
Jones giveth, Jones taketh away.
Nothing good happens when 0 is on the field.
I've had enough of Jones. Where are all his supporters now!...he was locked on that guy the entire FUC*** time!
Unreal. Just so, so, so, so bad.
No excuse whatsoever. Just plain terrible.
This Jones experiment is getting old.
Quote from: Blue Since '62 on October 02, 2023, 10:34:37 PMJones giveth, Jones taketh away.
Yep should have ran it there again
Not his fault /sarcasm/
Maybe more people will wake up to the fact that Jones is god awful.
Nobody was open!!!!
Fire Mike Kafka
MAYDAY MAYDAY --- THE OFFENSE IS BROKEN!
I repeat, THE OFFENSE IS BROKEN!!!
Quote from: katkavage on October 02, 2023, 10:34:55 PMThis Jones experiment is getting old.
It's not an experiment anymore. It's a fixture.
Danny Dumba$$. You can't win with a quarterback who has zero feel for the game. That's a rookie mistake in year five. He's never going to get better but that tool Schoen tied this franchise to him long term. Simply brilliant.
On Jones there. Unless like Aikmen said Campbell was to hook up and he didn't Still bad choice wher to go with ball
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Daboll and Jones had interesting chat on sideline
Waller wide open
AGAIN HE'S LOOKING AT THE CHECKDOWN ~X( ~X(
What is there to say... Complete embarrassment.
I don't know where we go from here.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 10:35:56 PMIt's not an experiment anymore. It's a fixture.
A fixture for failure.
Quote from: Trench on October 02, 2023, 10:36:06 PMDaboll and Jones had interesting chat on sideline
Jones is laughing all the way to the bank.
Season obviously over. Will be 1-5 soon. We need to start trading away vets now for draft capital and draft a new QB.
Enough is a enough. Season on the line and that's what a 5th year QB does in that spot? Enough.
Remember Eli doing same thing years ago against Seattle. I went to game and Eli threw as 90 yard pick six with game on the line
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Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 10:34:39 PMNothing good happens when 0 is on the field.
He has been a let down all season & Waller as well as most other Wrs are doing nada, reason why they are ranked 32nd as a squad.
Ugh
He locks on receiver EVERY SINGLE TIME. Yet people who point this stuff out get blasted.
Time to face it we won't win a championship with him.
He had Waller open in the back of the end zone and Hodgins on the other side.
Daboll looked like he thought that was on Jones.
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 10:37:48 PMRemember Eli doing same thing years ago against Seattle. I went to game and Eli threw as 90 yard pick six with game on the line
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When Jones wins two Superbowl MVPs, I'll forgive him.
Supposed to be a loaded QB class 🤷🏼�♂️
Quote from: uconnjack8 on October 02, 2023, 10:38:36 PMDaboll looked like he thought that was on Jones.
Because it was
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 10:38:33 PMHe had Waller open in the back of the end zone and Hodgins on the other side.
He severely lacks awareness. Especially when he presses.
No player on the team is worth their contract.
Second, look at how many rookie and 2nd year players are contributing for the Seahawks. I mean look at how good Witherspoon has been.
Dabs and Joe may have gotten too much praise last year.
This is Joe Judge bad
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 10:37:48 PMRemember Eli doing same thing years ago against Seattle. I went to game and Eli threw as 90 yard pick six with game on the line
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People always seem to forget that Eli had plays like this too.
Again - Jones backpedaling not looking anywhere except to one person !!!
Shepard needs to play ahead of Campbell
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I guess I can't blame Jones: if I got paid $40MM to dink and dunk, why would I bother doing something different? /sarcasm/
Quote from: katkavage on October 02, 2023, 10:39:09 PMWhen Jones wins two Superbowl MVPs, I'll forgive him.
Small details.
Here's what I don't get Jones.
He only looks for Campbell. Our worst WR.
Quote from: sooners56 on October 02, 2023, 10:39:14 PMSupposed to be a loaded QB class 🤷🏼�♂️
I don't follow College ball, but it looks like we're picking top 5.
Who are the prospects?
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 02, 2023, 10:39:42 PMHe severely lacks awareness. Especially when he presses.
It's like he has blinders on that prevent him from seeing past the shallow route.
Terrible throw ...a season to really contemplate everything. sans Gano. If rhe Giants have a top five pick..are they locked into to Jones for more?
You draft players from Duke if they're shooting guards and you're an NBA team. You don't draft QB's from Duke.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 10:40:14 PMPeople always seem to forget that Eli had plays like this too.
And was a two time Super Bowl MVP.
Witherspoon is an animal
Wow Daboll is pissed at Jones.
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 10:41:02 PMIt's like he has blinders on that prevent him from seeing past the shallow route.
Story of his career. Flashes at times. Afraid to pull the trigger. Never sees the field. Plays better when he is screaming and fired up. Otherwise he is Hostetler
I think that interaction between Daboll and Jones says it all.
Lmao ... wow
Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 10:40:14 PMPeople always seem to forget that Eli had plays like this too.
Let's stop with this ridiculous comparison; DJ is not a rookie quarterback. He's a bona fide veteran playing in his 58th game. At that point Eli Manning was a pro bowler, SB MVP quarterback, en route to Hall of Fame consideration; Daniel Jones is not, and never will be Eli Manning.
We have to take a shot down the field
There's absolutely no talent in this team.
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 10:40:55 PMHere's what I don't get Jones.
He only looks for Campbell. Our worst WR.
What's to get he's always staring down receivers and more comfortable checking down rather than going for the end zone or downfield.
"Danny Checkdown"
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 10:42:53 PMLet's stop with this ridiculous comparison; DJ is not a rookie quarterback. He's a bona fide veteran playing in his 58th game. At that point Eli Manning was a pro bowler, SB MVP quarterback, en route to Hall of Fame consideration; Daniel Jones is not, and never will be Eli Manning.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 10:40:14 PMPeople always seem to forget that Eli had plays like this too.
Yeah but he also took shots downfield and wasn't always looking to check down until he was at the end of his career.
With the Daboll/Schoen regime coming in they should have cleaned house, including Jones.
Put Tyrod in and let him find Hyatt or Waller downfield. Jones can't see 10 yards in front of him.
I'm a Jones supporter
But he's no Eli Manning ...please stop
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 10:45:05 PMYeah but he also took shots downfield and wasn't always looking to check down until he was at the end of his career.
He had a way better offensive line. He had all world receivers.
Giants getting dominated on both sides of the line. Jones playing like a rookie. Defense can't tackle. STs suck.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 02, 2023, 10:40:42 PMI guess I can't blame Jones: if I got paid $40MM to dink and dunk, why would I bother doing something different? /sarcasm/
He had to "settle" for $40mm too. He hemmed and hawed for a while to get $47mm a year, which is more than Josh Allen gets. Did you see him play on Sunday?
I'd love to see a QB change just to show everyone there are plays that are being LEFT on that field!
If you are talking to me I was not comparing him to Eli I was just saying I saw the same thing in person when Seattle was here. Before
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Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 10:46:00 PMHe had a way better offensive line. He had all world receivers.
Offensive line in 2011 was putrid.
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 10:41:02 PMIt's like he has blinders on that prevent him from seeing past the shallow route.
He pre-determines and then can't adapt on the fly. So he either delivers it (regardless of the proximity of defenders) or pulls it down, looks around with no real intent to go to another read, then tucks it for a sack or scramble.
God damn that o line is bad too
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 10:43:51 PMWhat's to get he's always staring down receivers and more comfortable checking down rather than going for the end zone or downfield.
I can see him staring down Waller from time to time. He stares at our worst WR.
Another putrid effort by our OL
How do you fire the Oline, QB and ST Coach after four games?
That pick is a prime example of the problem with DJ. He has to see his 6-6 tight end running to the back corner and just throw it up for him over that sitting CB. Those are the difference maker plays you just never seem to get from DJ. He just seems to choose the easy throw every time.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 02, 2023, 10:46:00 PMHe had a way better offensive line. He had all world receivers.
Stop, don't want to hear it they're not the same player not even close
Jones' relationship with Daboll is clearly breaking down before our eyes.
Quote from: killarich on October 02, 2023, 10:45:52 PMI'm a Jones supporter
But he's no Eli Manning ...please stop
At this point he's barely Kent Graham.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 10:47:21 PMJones' relationship with Daboll is clearly breaking down before our eyes.
I don't have a lot of faith in either right now.
Jones just chokes. How else can we explain his lack of success on National TV and big games?
Defense hasn't been terrible, albeit against a mediocre offense. They have given up 14 points and 7 of them they were on a 10 yard drive.
Daboll for the first time looked at Jones like maybe it's time to reaccess this and the future
Pull DJ to protect him. It's a feeding frenzy for the DL. The latter looks energized and the former looks dejected.
Why not throw a bomb?
You can't tell me this isn't the worst OL we ever had.
6 special team penalties.
Ok I guess you guys are right it is all Jones fault .... He has plenty of time to throw and just can't get it done.
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This game is starting to feel like a tipping point.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 10:47:21 PMJones' relationship with Daboll is clearly breaking down before our eyes.
Good observation.
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 10:48:56 PMYou can't tell me this isn't the worst OL we ever had.
6 special team penalties.
This is worse than Ian Allen and Tam Hopkins.
Quote from: jgrangers2 on October 02, 2023, 10:47:14 PMThat pick is a prime example of the problem with DJ. He has to see his 6-6 tight end running to the back corner and just throw it up for him over that sitting CB. Those are the difference maker plays you just never seem to get from DJ. He just seems to choose the easy throw every time.
Remember Kyle Rudolph? How he was going to be a great red zone target? DJ doesn't have touch like that. Everything is his fastball. Can't do that up high.
I am very disappointed in Ezeudu tonight. I thought we found a starter. He is a fraud.
Quote from: Trench on October 02, 2023, 10:48:46 PMWhy not throw a bomb?
Seriously Jones wasn't good tonight.
How are you going to throw a bomb? It takes 3-4 seconds to get the WRa down there. He was just sacked twice in less than two seconds.
It's ok to acknowledge that Jones suxked tonigbt and our OL is the worst in the league
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 02, 2023, 10:46:42 PMHe pre-determines and then can't adapt on the fly. So he either delivers it (regardless of the proximity of defenders) or pulls it down, looks around with no real intent to go to another read, then tucks it for a sack or scramble.
Yep, every time he's predictable at this point in his career. Team's know it and play him that way.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 10:47:21 PMJones' relationship with Daboll is clearly breaking down before our eyes.
Not sure I would go that far but this is the first time since week 1 last season where you saw Daboll get in his face.
Quote from: Trench on October 02, 2023, 10:48:46 PMWhy not throw a bomb?
Because he doesn't have enough time to set up and the receivers can't get down the field in
1,5 seconds
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Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 10:49:03 PMOk I guess you guys are right it is all Jones fault .... He has plenty of time to throw and just can't get it done.
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He doesn't always have plenty of time. But when he does have time, it's always to the closest receiver. He doesn't look downfield. That's why defenders jump the short routes - they know he's not throwing deep.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 10:47:21 PMJones' relationship with Daboll is clearly breaking down before our eyes.
14 point swing. I'd be livid too since he had two other receivers open.
Quote from: AYM on October 02, 2023, 10:47:40 PMI don't have a lot of faith in either right now.
I saw the same thing..but Dabolls offense is also on him Godawful..historically bad.
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 10:49:03 PMOk I guess you guys are right it is all Jones fault .... He has plenty of time to throw and just can't get it done.
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No one said it's all Jones' fault. But he consumes a significant portion of the offensive resources; thus, he's expected to be better than the LT making the league min. It's time to remove the blinders...
Quote from: katkavage on October 02, 2023, 09:59:32 PMMara would go ballistic after shelling out all that money for Jones. And he's a Mara type of guy.
Who cares? Mara is the idiot that destroyed the franchise.
8th sack & Also the oline coach needs to be fired. Did I mention the ST coach being fired too?
That should be all for Jones tonight
Quote from: killarich on October 02, 2023, 10:45:52 PMI'm a Jones supporter
But he's no Eli Manning ...please stop
He's not, and he never will be.
It is an impossible spot to be in and take over for the prince of this football team...
It's a no-win situation whether he wins or not.
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 10:49:03 PMOk I guess you guys are right it is all Jones fault .... He has plenty of time to throw and just can't get it done.
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It's not all his fault but he's hardly showing any signs of being more than mediocre.
We look like a small college team out there.
Painful to watch. Listening to Buck & Aikman enjoy this makes it that much worse.
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Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 10:50:52 PMHe doesn't always have plenty of time. But when he does have time, it's always to the closest receiver. He doesn't look downfield. That's why defenders jump the short routes - they know he's not throwing deep.
Thank you.
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 10:50:52 PMHe doesn't always have plenty of time. But when he does have time, it's always to the closest receiver. He doesn't look downfield. That's why defenders jump the short routes - they know he's not throwing deep.
You might be right but my tv doesn't show the receivers downfield so I don't know if they are open or not
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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on October 02, 2023, 10:51:58 PMWe look like a small college team out there.
Painful to watch. Listening to Buck & Aikman enjoy this makes it that much worse.
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Been watching the Mannings the entire game. Highly recommend. Much more entertaining than the football the Giants are playing these days.
Jones is gonna cost $47 million against the cap next year. That's two pro bowl guards and a pro bowl mike worth of cap space. Absolutely reckless and moronic contract considering he's thrown more than 15 touchdowns once in his career. Schoen should lose his job for being that foolish.
Quote from: Gmo11 on October 02, 2023, 10:53:08 PMBeen watching the Mannings the entire game. Highly recommend. Much more entertaining than the football the Giants are playing these days.
I love watching the Mannings. It's entertaining and educational.
Jackson has given up 40 yards of field position by not fielding the punt
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The Giants need their Dan Snyder moment.
That guy walked right past his coach like he wasn't even there... :what:
There is no player in the league that plays this poorly with that sort of job security.
Who was going to draft this guy except for the Giants? Which team would've given this guy that kind of money and term???
They don't exist. They never did.
The Giants need their Dan Snyder moment... :surrender:
Pepsi anyone?
On a positive note, we only have two more prime time games this season for the national audience to see us get thoroughly embarrassed.
Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 10:53:18 PMJones is gonna cost $47 million against the cap next year. That's two pro bowl guards and a pro bowl mike. Absolutely reckless and moronic contract considering he's thrown more than 15 touchdowns once in his career. Schoen should lose his job for being that foolish.
We all know Mara loves Jones. You think he wasn't fully in favor of resigning his milquetoast, non-offensive, clean shaven QB who he claimed the Giants had done everything to ruin? Unfortunately it was kind of clear when Jones had a palatable season he was likely coming back.
Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 10:53:18 PMJones is gonna cost $47 million against the cap next year. That's two pro bowl guards and a pro bowl mike worth of cap space. Absolutely reckless and moronic contract considering he's thrown more than 15 touchdowns once in his career. Schoen should lose his job for being that foolish.
There was no way coming off last year that John Mara was going to let Schoen allow Jones to walk.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 10:52:27 PMThank you.
Happens when u got no time (internal clock speeds up b/c they keep getting hit in under 2 seconds). He may have missed 1 of those plays earlier, but guess what look at mahomes and burrow when they have/had bad oline...
Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 10:53:18 PMJones is gonna cost $47 million against the cap next year. That's two pro bowl guards and a pro bowl mike. Absolutely reckless and moronic contract considering he's thrown more than 15 touchdowns once in his career. Schoen should lose his job for being that foolish.
To be fair, they paid more upfront to manufacture a reasonable out in just 2 years. They could draft his replacement next year, and cut DJ the following year at cheaper price than retaining DJ for a 3rd season. Obviously, they had limited faith in his ascension.
Quote from: DragonSoul on October 02, 2023, 10:55:35 PMHappens when u got no time (internal clock speeds up b/c they keep getting hit in under 2 seconds). He may have missed 1 of those plays earlier, but guess what look at mahomes and burrow when they have/had bad oline...
Always someone else never Jones
Aikmen just said the Giants have invested in o lineman then any other team draft picks snd haven't got it done?
Bad judge of talent or very poor coaching?
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Jones just walked right into that sack
Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 10:53:18 PMJones is gonna cost $47 million against the cap next year. That's two pro bowl guards and a pro bowl mike. Absolutely reckless and moronic contract considering he's thrown more than 15 touchdowns once in his career. Schoen should lose his job for being that foolish.
He can restructure it if he wants to and spread it out in the future by adding years. But I hope to hell he doesn't do that. We need to take the hit next year and then move on. He should be drafting a QB in this draft and just taking his lumps on Jones. If he spreads that $47mm out, then we're looking at another 5 years minimum before we're relevant again.
Schoen needs to not chase an inside straight draw here and just get out of this as soon as possible. This is QB-loaded draft, and we're clearly headed for the top 10. Schoen won't get another shot like that after this next draft.
Glowinski literally let the guy go and run right by him lol
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 02, 2023, 10:55:27 PMWe all know Mara loves Jones. You think he wasn't fully in favor of resigning his milquetoast, non-offensive, clean shaven QB who he claimed the Giants had done everything to ruin? Unfortunately it was kind of clear when Jones had a palatable season he was likely coming back.
He could have franchised him for considerably less.
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 10:56:42 PMAikmen just said the Giants have invested in o lineman then any other team draft picks snd haven't got it done?
Bad judge of talent or very poor coaching?
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So you want a 4th coach in 5 years and hope for a different result?
Throw the damn ball and you won't get sacked.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 02, 2023, 10:55:27 PMWe all know Mara loves Jones. You think he wasn't fully in favor of resigning his milquetoast, non-offensive, clean shaven QB who he claimed the Giants had done everything to ruin? Unfortunately it was kind of clear when Jones had a palatable season he was likely coming back.
Agree although if Mara had total control over all of this he would have forced Schoen and Daboll to pick up the fifth year option when they came in, and that didn't happen. Schoen needs to own some of this. And I've been nothing but a Schoen guy since he was hired.
That was awful from Jones.
Awful
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 10:57:40 PMSo you want a 4th coach in 5 years and hope for a different result?
Daboll needs to get at least into next season.
And again Jones hesitates finally throws it downfield and right into the defense.
Is Jones even as good a QB as he was when we drafted him in 2019?
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 10:55:57 PMTo be fair, they paid more upfront to manufacture a reasonable out in just 2 years. They could draft his replacement next year, and cut DJ the following year at cheaper price than retaining DJ for a 3rd season. Obviously, they had limited faith in his ascension.
That bum isn't worth a single dollar of dead cap space.
Jones is officially seeing ghosts again.
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Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 10:53:18 PMJones is gonna cost $47 million against the cap next year. That's two pro bowl guards and a pro bowl mike worth of cap space. Absolutely reckless and moronic contract considering he's thrown more than 15 touchdowns once in his career. Schoen should lose his job for being that foolish.
In retrospect, we should've just signed a journeyman when Jones wanted the big contract and let him move on.
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 10:56:42 PMAikmen just said the Giants have invested in o lineman then any other team draft picks snd haven't got it done?
Bad judge of talent or very poor coaching?
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I think that's the million dollar question.
Are we drafting bad players or are we picking out talent and destroying it.
Either way, tonight has a finality about it.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 10:47:21 PMJones' relationship with Daboll is clearly breaking down before our eyes.
14 point swing. I'd be livid too since he had two other receivers open.
Aikman just stated our WRs don't run. So it seems like there's a lot of problems
Troy trying to make excuses for Jones. Stop it. Just stop it.
And to make matters worse, Jones was throwing to Campbell. And in his semi-defense of Jones, he pointed to the problem: Jones doesn't anticipate.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 10:59:36 PMIs Jones even as good a QB as he was when we drafted him in 2019?
No, because Shurmur is a QB whisperer. There's a long line of QBs that Shurmur made look better than they actually were.
Sounds like a Seattle home game!
This game might just mark the end of the Jones era.......or maybe that's wishful thinking.
What happened
This is depressing
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 11:01:10 PMTroy trying to make excuses for Jones. Stop it. Just stop it.
And to make matters worse, Jones was throwing to Campbell. And in his semi-defense of Jones, he pointed to the problem: Jones doesn't anticipate.
If the guy isn't running free Jones checks down. How can you operate successfully like that?
Quote from: MagicRat on October 02, 2023, 11:00:21 PMI think that's the million dollar question.
Are we drafting bad players or are we picking out talent and destroying it.
Either way, tonight has a finality about it.
Destroying it is my vote - at least on the OL.
We even have proof when Jerry Jones showed us his board with Evan Neal #2 overall on it. Dallas knows how to draft OL and that's where they had him. How would they have developed Neal compared to how we've done?
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 11:01:10 PMTroy trying to make excuses for Jones. Stop it. Just stop it.
And to make matters worse, Jones was throwing to Campbell. And in his semi-defense of Jones, he pointed to the problem: Jones doesn't anticipate.
Jones was awful but why does Campbell play?!?
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 11:01:10 PMTroy trying to make excuses for Jones. Stop it. Just stop it.
And to make matters worse, Jones was throwing to Campbell. And in his semi-defense of Jones, he pointed to the problem: Jones doesn't anticipate.
The funny thing there is that I think he's throwing Campbell open on that play, but he double pumps for some reason and allows the defender to get his hand there and impact the throw
Just a bad football team.
Bad coaching bad players and just bad play all around....
Just no improvement....actually regressing after a long lay off .
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Quote from: AYM on October 02, 2023, 11:01:17 PMNo, because Shurmur is a QB whisperer. There's a long line of QBs that Shurmur made look better than they actually were.
He did lose about 100 fumbles that year but at least he was putting points on the board.
At least Thibs didn't do his stupid dance after a nice sack.
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Quote from: StompYouOT on October 02, 2023, 11:01:37 PMThis game might just mark the end of the Jones era.......or maybe that's wishful thinking.
There is a zero percent chance the Giants say oops we made a $160 million mistake. We're stuck with that millstone for at least two more years.
Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 11:05:17 PMThere is a zero percent chance the Giants say oops we made a $160 million mistake. We're stuck with that millstone for at least two more years.
We can get rid of Jones after next year.
Quote from: jgrangers2 on October 02, 2023, 11:03:46 PMThe funny thing there is that I think he's throwing Campbell open on that play, but he double pumps for some reason and allows the defender to get his hand there and impact the throw
On that play Campbell ran towards the linebacker and was not open
Aikmen pointed that out on replay
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Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 11:01:10 PMTroy trying to make excuses for Jones. Stop it. Just stop it.
And to make matters worse, Jones was throwing to Campbell. And in his semi-defense of Jones, he pointed to the problem: Jones doesn't anticipate.
Former QBS defend Current QBS. He also made a point about the receivers not running as he sees what we aren't shown on TV. The offense is a mess.
Ezeudu is a bad football player
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 11:06:13 PMOn that play Campbell ran towards the linebacker and was not open
Aikmen pointed that out on replay
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Aikman also said there was a lack of anticipation
10 sacks
Jones has not been good
But my god this o line is scary bad
Why is DJ still in the game?
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 11:05:40 PMWe can get rid of Jones after next year.
At the cost of incurring $33 million in dead cap space.
Quote from: killarich on October 02, 2023, 11:08:04 PM10 sacks
Jones has not been good
But my god this o line is scary bad
With the exception of Thibs, everyone has sucked.
Seattle is even bother to defend the deep field, they're the crowding 15 yards from the line of scrimmage and just pounding the hell out of them
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 11:07:52 PMAikman also said there was a lack of anticipation
Had he thrown it would have intercepted by Wagner so he just tried to throw it away downfield
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Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 11:08:16 PMWhy is DJ still in the game?
Who cares? What are we saving him from? Several more loses this season?
11 sacks
Almost all of them instantaneously
Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 11:09:00 PMAt the cost of incurring $33 million in dead cap space.
After next year?
I thought we had an easier out than that?
Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 11:09:00 PMAt the cost of incurring $33 million in dead cap space.
18M, which can be spread out over 2 years.
Time to start draft prep.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 11:10:16 PM18M, which can be spread out over 2 years.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/daniel-jones-29041/
Line is issue no question about it Jones played awful but really 10 sacks or something he was shell shocked from the start.
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Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 11:09:35 PMHad he thrown it would have intercepted by Wagner so he just tried to throw it away downfield
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No...you throw him open; its referred to as an anticipatory throw an all quarterbacks capable of throwing for more than 4000 yards a season are able to do it.
Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 11:09:00 PMAt the cost of incurring $33 million in dead cap space.
That's after this year.
Eleven sacks... eleven
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 11:09:35 PMHad he thrown it would have intercepted by Wagner so he just tried to throw it away downfield
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Campbell is faster than Wagner and was already streaking across the field. Jones did not throw the ball in front of Campbell. He threw it to where he was. That's why Aikman said he doesn't anticipate well.
Bad team ...falls on GM and Coach at end of day
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Jones has to be shell shocked
Bad game from him
But that offensive line Is seriously dangerously bad
Daboll should have pulled Jones mid 4th Qtr.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 11:12:02 PMNo...you throw him open; its referred to as an anticipatory throw an all quarterbacks capable of throwing for more than 4000 yards a season are able to do it.
He may have been expecting Campbell to sit prior to crossing the face of the linebacker. Would at least explain the double pump, but I think he would have had him had he simply led Campbell beyond the linebacker.
Need new offensive game plan or plays or something..this stuff ain't working
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Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 11:12:07 PMThat's after this year.
Wrong. It's $22 million after next year and $11 million the following.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 02, 2023, 11:13:36 PMDaboll should have pulled Jones mid 4th Qtr.
Eleven sacks will have long term damage.
Good thing we had ELEVEN days to prepare for this pivotal home game.
We can't pass on a great qb prospect if available. I don't care about dead cap space when our present is dead. :yes:
Quote from: Woody on October 02, 2023, 11:13:13 PMBad team ...falls on GM and Coach at end of day
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Really!? The players don't own any responsibility? What about they guys who constantly produced similar results for 4+ seasons...is that on coaching too?
Te reality is, our group of players are not very good.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on October 02, 2023, 11:14:58 PMWe can't pass on a great qb prospect if available. I don't care about dead cap space when our present is dead. :yes:
I doubt the Giants will either, especially if Cam is available.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 02, 2023, 11:14:41 PMEleven sacks will have long term damage.
I wonder how Mara feels about what they did to Jones tonight. :hurt:
We need a GM who can go get us a bunch of Hog Mollies :) :)
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 02, 2023, 11:14:41 PMEleven sacks will have long term damage.
We sacked McNabb 12 times once.
Of course, McNabb was a better QB than Jones has been so far.
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 11:16:22 PMI wonder how Mara feels about what they did to Jones tonight. :hurt:
Mara should get over his love affair because Danny is media-friendly and attempt to be objective... or actually remove himself from football decisions because his greatest achievement in life was being Wellington's fastest sperm.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on October 02, 2023, 11:14:58 PMWe can't pass on a great qb prospect if available. I don't care about dead cap space when our present is dead. :yes:
A promising rookie sitting behind a quarterback making $41 million next year and without the assets to improve the team.
Quote from: AYM on October 02, 2023, 11:17:56 PMWe sacked McNabb 12 times once.
Of course, McNabb was a better QB than Jones has been so far.
Didn't Osi have 6 of em?
I have no optimism left for this team this year. Last year's success was a drop of water on a hot griddle.
Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 11:18:21 PMA promising rookie sitting behind a quarterback making $41 million next year and without the assets to improve the team.
I'd say trade him to the Jets, but I'm not sure they would want him.
Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 11:18:21 PMA promising rookie sitting behind a quarterback making $41 million next year and without the assets to improve the team.
Next year we're out from under Williams' contract and the cap will rise.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 02, 2023, 11:18:50 PMDidn't Osi have 6 of em?
Yes he did! I watched that game from midnight to 1:30 AM on DVR delay as I was at a concert that night. It was worth the lack of sleep.
How Bobby Johnson has a job is beyond me. I can't name a single offensive lineman who is better today than at the end of last season. In fact all of them are worse. It's simply one of the worst coaching jobs in Giants history.
Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 11:14:33 PMWrong. It's $22 million after next year and $11 million the following.
If they cut him in 2025 prior to 6/1, it's $22M dead cap for 2025. If they cut him after 6/1, that dead cap gets spread evenly ($11M each) over 2025 and 2026.
I appreciate you all keeping it civil in here tonight. =D> =D>
Quote from: MagicRat on October 02, 2023, 11:20:29 PMNext year we're out from under Williams' contract and the cap will rise.
We're projected to have the 13th most cap space but easily have one of the five worst teams.
Waller was open on the pick 6 ... I can't defend Jones on that play ... game killing play
It's an excellent qb class..all I'm saying. Jones has no shot to turn this around now..that's obvious.
He's more likely to get seriously injured if he keeps playing with this pathetic offense.
Quote from: jgrangers2 on October 02, 2023, 11:22:04 PMIf they cut him in 2025 prior to 6/1, it's $22M dead cap for 2025. If they cut him after 6/1, that dead cap gets spread evenly ($11M each) over 2025 and 2026.
What a bargain
Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 11:18:21 PMA promising rookie sitting behind a quarterback making $41 million next year and without the assets to improve the team.
The Giants wouldn't be aiming for 2024 in this scenario so a limited cap in the QBs rookie season isn't really an issue. You're not expecting to do much in 2024 if this is the way things go, but would be targeting 2025 and beyond. This is why they structured Jones deal the way they did.
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 11:23:42 PMI appreciate you all keeping it civil in here tonight. =D> =D>
I think everyone is shell shocked.
I'm more baffled than angry.
At the start of this season, speaking personally, I knew we were still in rebuild but I was encouraged by the progress of last season.
I predicted we'd be 2-4 six games in but I was looking for ongoing improvement.
I didn't see this fall off coming and I'm scratching my head as to what has happened.
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 11:16:22 PMI wonder how Mara feels about what they did to Jones tonight. :hurt:
He should be more concerned what his criminal ineptitude has done to his fan base a whole lot more than he should worry about a guy who pulled off one of the great thefts in league history. I hated that deal when it was signed and I hate it even more now.
Quote from: T200 on October 02, 2023, 11:23:42 PMI appreciate you all keeping it civil in here tonight. =D> =D>
I do apologize to King and Rambo. I went over the line out of frustration. My fault boys.
I'd like to hear from silver-tongued Schoen this week on the state of the team and how it has gone backward in terms of performance from last year to this year.
The free agents signed in the off-season, and the draft picks taken in the draft, would have and should have improved the performance of this team, yet the regression from a team winning a playoff game to a team that arguably will be vying for a top 5 draft pick is inexplicable.
Who is responsible for the regression of the team this year, and how is it going to be addressed and fixed moving forward this season?
Would you care to address the fans with respect to how the team has performed thus far Mr. Schoen?
Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 11:28:43 PMHe should be more concerned what his criminal ineptitude has done to his fan base a whole lot more than he should worry about a guy who pulled off one of the great thefts in league history. I hated that deal when it was signed and I hate it even more now.
Last year was a complete aberration that some of us highlighted this offseason; the Giants benefited from a lot of bounces and health, both were unlikely to happen again this season. The win against a historically bad Playoff team furthered hampered our perception; the reality is, the Giants have not been good after the 7th game of last season...they beat some really bad teams and got walloped by good ones.
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 11:29:14 PMI do apologize to King and Rambo. I went over the line out of frustration. My fault boys.
No worries. No need to apologize. We all want the same thing and that's the Giants to win. We're frustrated that they've been this bad so far.