Big Blue Huddle

I think the obvious answer is a quarterback falls to the Giants in round one; they draft him and never look back.   Only past history suggests the Giants are not going to let that happen.  They will win enough games to push them out of having a franchise QB fall to them.

So that leaves the Giants the choice of giving up massive draft capital (including a first-rounder for the 2025 draft), reaching for a QB in round one (not the best athlete available at the draft position), or drafting one in round 2.

Now, I know some will argue instead of reaching, you trade down.  The flaw in this argument is that tradedowns only work with multiple targets still on the board.  Trading down with only one target creates a strong risk of losing that player to another team.

I'm not a big fan of the guys that might be going in Round 2 so I would say go get your guy.  Now if the Giants decided that Maye/Williams were clearly the top 2 guys and everybody from 3 to 8 were graded similarly then sure, you wait, but for me I like Daniels a LOT and after him I'd probably even prefer Nix/Penix over the guys slated for Round 2 so I'd make sure I got my guy.

Quote from: Gmo11 on December 01, 2023, 09:49:24 AMI'm not a big fan of the guys that might be going in Round 2 so I would say go get your guy.  Now if the Giants decided that Maye/Williams were clearly the top 2 guys and everybody from 3 to 8 were graded similarly then sure, you wait, but for me I like Daniels a LOT and after him I'd probably even prefer Nix/Penix over the guys slated for Round 2 so I'd make sure I got my guy.

Agree. My question right now is whether Jayden Daniels elevates himself enough so that this becomes a big-3 QB draft rather than a big-2. I keep hearing great things about Daniels but not clear on how things will ultimately shake out.

If there's a guy they like, they need to do everything they can, within reason, to get him. Waiting for a player to potentially fall is akin to playing prevent defense.

If the GM who has spent countless hours scouting and is convinced he knows who he wants, then yes do what it is takes to get him. You don't win by waiting for thing to happen. Either way his rep is on the line
Play it safe and watch it pass by you.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on December 01, 2023, 10:03:01 AMAgree. My question right now is whether Jayden Daniels elevates himself enough so that this becomes a big-3 QB draft rather than a big-2. I keep hearing great things about Daniels but not clear on how things will ultimately shake out.

For me it is.  I've watched a lot of him recently and I think he's played himself into that tier.  Maybe other would need to see more and that's totally fair but I think he's right there. 

Personally I haven't seen a true pro-ready 'sure-fire' qb in this year's crop.  A couple of the names matched as round 1 qb's IMO have potential bust on their jerseys.  Of those who look maybe pro-ready or are from a pro-style system, there are maybe oregon's Nix and the michigan qb.  IMO they are second rounders so I voted for that.

Sit tight and pick Nix, Daniels, Penix or McCarthy. IMO, one or more of them will be lighting it up at this level.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 01, 2023, 10:53:30 AMSit tight and pick Nix, Daniels, Penix or McCarthy. IMO, one or more of them will be lighting it up at this level.

Ed,

You added what appears to me to be an unrealistic option (which also sort of defeats the point of this poll, which is what the team does if they lack the ideal situation).   From what I am seeing, there are the two top QBs who will be gone in the first 3 picks.  Then, one more in the top 5, maybe last until 6 or 7, and then there will be about a ten-or-so pick gap before another QB is drafted.  From past history, the Giants are likely to be sitting near the top of that top 10 or so slot that is a QB desert.

Yea my vote is keep going with Jones because that is what people were saying about Phil Simms too. And get him some more weapons and Oline players.

You know the thing with Simms was? He was hurt for and missed a whole year and was benched a year. So, when 1984 rolled around technically he was in the NFL for 6 years but, it was really 4 years and, in that time, he was a rookie of the year, a pro bowler, was QBing on a team that lost in a divisional round , by his 5th year as a starting AND PLAYING QB -- he was a SB MVP, going to Disney, and all that.

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 01, 2023, 11:04:09 AMEd,

You added what appears to me to be an unrealistic option (which also sort of defeats the point of this poll, which is what the team does if they lack the ideal situation).  From what I am seeing, there are the two top QBs who will be gone in the first 3 picks.  Then, one more in the top 5, maybe last until 6 or 7, and then there will be about a ten-or-so pick gap before another QB is drafted.  From past history, the Giants are likely to be sitting near the top of that top 10 or so slot that is a QB desert.

It's very realistic Rich. There are excellent WR's in this draft and there will be at least two QB's available from the top 5 by the time the Giants pick and one will fall to the second round. So unless Tommy Cutlets runs the table and the Giants make the playoffs they can sit. But if you still disagree, edit the poll. I just thought you omitted it not realizing the option.

It's also possible the Head Case Calib stays another year.

Quote from: Fletch on December 01, 2023, 11:12:34 AMYea my vote is keep going with Jones because that is what people were saying about Phil Simms too. And get him some more weapons and Oline players.

You know the thing with Simms was? He was hurt for and missed a whole year and was benched a year. So, when 1984 rolled around technically he was in the NFL for 6 years but, it was really 4 years and, in that time, he was a rookie of the year, a pro bowler, was QBing on a team that lost in a divisional round , by his 5th year as a starting AND PLAYING QB -- he was a SB MVP, going to Disney, and all that.

Those were the good ole' days.  When you could throw 13 TDs and 14 INTs and be Offensive rookie of the Year.  Or throw 21 TDs and 22 INTs and your team goes 14-2 and wins the Super Bowl.. 

I think it's unreastic to think all these people QBs will go top 10 when you have other positions with exceptional players.  Add to that the Combine in which 1-2 light it up and move from top 20 to top 10.

I think it's 2 QBs in top 10 and I dont think the Giants have to move if they like one of a group of say 3.

I see sit back and take the best quarterback when it's your turn to pick there there's so many guys that could drop to us when we pick and right now I believe we pick around six that could change. We could go as low as 10 and as high, as maybe four.

My first pick would be the kid from Michigan. My second pick would be the one from LSU and there are other guys such as Oregon and Texas.

I voted to trade up to get the QB.  To me that only applies if you have one QB rated well above the rest.  There is so many scenarios that can play out prior to the draft at this point it's impossible to predict anything.  My vote is more about just wanting to get the right QB.

I for one have no clue what the Giants may do in 2024 Draft given that if they win just one more game, they could be picking later than needed to grab someone like LSU's Jayden Daniels. Otherwise, I don't see them trading up given that are so heavily cap cost invested in DJ next season, both live and dead.

Frankly, I suspect that Schoen/Daboll & Co. might feel relieved to find themselves drafting late enough to not have to even think about finding DJ's replacement unless and until his "trial" is over and his cost becomes more bearable.

Cheers!

Good idea for a poll Rich.

For me this is an easy answer (albeit I fully respect that many will strongly disagree with me). My answer is definitely that I would want to trade up, including really paying up if necessary, provided our front office has a strong view and the opportunity to move up is there.

My rationale for this is straightforward: you aren't in a position to draft a QB you believe will be great very often, and so when you are, you need to be willing to do what it takes. Whatever price they have to pay will be nothing if they are right in their long term view on the player being a star. Obviously, there is immense risk and downside that goes along with that, and I completely understand that. I'm comfortable accepting that kind of risk provided the due diligence has been done and the high conviction level is there from our front office.

Barring unique, rare exceptions, you need a very good to great QB to have a lot of postseason success in this league. And significant postseason success is my personal aspiration for this team as a fan. I care less about the difference between being mediocre and bad than maybe some fans do. I'd much rather risk being really bad in a bid to be great than have a higher floor and a lower ceiling. That's just me. I'm not saying my way is the only or right way to look at it. I appreciate that it's brutal to have a 4-13 type season, and maybe some fans would be content to have the types of seasons we had in 2022 in perpetuity if it meant we could avoid the really bad years. I would rather always be aspiring to win Super Bowls though, and I simply don't think they're realistically attainable in today's NFL without upper echelon QB play.

Quote from: Painter on December 01, 2023, 12:27:30 PMI for one have no clue what the Giants may do in 2024 Draft given that if they win just one more game, they could be picking later than needed to grab someone like LSU's Jayden Daniels. Otherwise, I don't see them trading up given that are so heavily cap cost invested in DJ next season, both live and dead.

Frankly, I suspect that Schoen/Daboll & Co. might feel relieved to find themselves drafting late enough to not have to even think about finding DJ's replacement unless and until his "trial" is over and his cost becomes more bearable.

Cheers!

I think if when said "trial" is up and the team feels its time to move on from DJ, it will also be moving on from Daboll and Schoen. 

Depending upon our ultimate draft slot is, trading up may not require paying a kings ransom.  It's one reason why I wasn't as upset as some others were following the recent wins. 

Sit tight with Tommy D. The Rook will prove worthy of our patience.  :yes: 

Not a fan of any of the poll options.

Have 0 interest in trading up. None. This team has far too many holes to be trading away picks.

Have little interest in the second tier guys in this class. Assuming Williams, Maye, Daniels, Nix, and McCarthy go in the first, that leaves Penix as the only QB left worthy of consideration in round 2, and I'm not interested in his injury history.

Not a fan of reaching for a guy, as they should be in a position to select an elite edge rusher or OT to replace Neal.

So in short, not interested in wasting a draft pick on someone who's not my guy (Maye), as I think this class will disappoint.

I'd go for trade up if your guy is there. If you think he's gonna be elite for ten plus years you have to grab him.

No guarantees that this works but if you don't have an elite or at least high level QB, you don't have a QB.