With a Patriots win, Commanders win and Cardinals win (and a Giants loss).
Jets @ Patriots - Belichick almost never loses to the Jets in what should be a miserable game.
Cowboys @ Commanders - fingers crossed, both teams will have plenty of motivation with Dallas looking to clinch the East and the Commanders looking to play spoiler. Also, the Cowboys on the road are a vastly different team.
Seahawks @ Cardinals - division game. Seattle looks good but the Cardinals have been competitive of late.
With all that said, I'd love nothing more than to spoil the Eagles' chance at the division depending on the outcome of the Cowboys/Commanders game.
How does the tie break work in the draft order?
Quote from: MagicRat on December 31, 2023, 04:42:54 PMHow does the tie break work in the draft order?
Strength of Schedule is the tie-breaker (assuming there are more than 2 teams tied and those teams didn't play head-to-head). The team with the lower Strength of Schedule picks earlier.
https://www.tankathon.com/nfl
Like I said...things will shake out But I don't care about the position as much as beating the Birds, which leave them on the road in January.
Quote from: zephirus on December 31, 2023, 04:24:44 PMWith a Patriots win, Commanders win and Cardinals win (and a Giants loss).
Jets @ Patriots - Belichick almost never loses to the Jets in what should be a miserable game.
Cowboys @ Commanders - fingers crossed, both teams will have plenty of motivation with Dallas looking to clinch the East and the Commanders looking to play spoiler. Also, the Cowboys on the road are a vastly different team.
Seahawks @ Cardinals - division game. Seattle looks good but the Cardinals have been competitive of late.
With all that said, I'd love nothing more than to spoil the Eagles' chance at the division depending on the outcome of the Cowboys/Commanders game.
I think Arizona and New England will win next week. Cowboys? The refs will get them thru..if not that awful Com defense.
The Jets/Pats game is basically Belichick's last ever game with the Pats, and it's in Gillette. Meanwhile every Jet coach and front office guy is being brought back. And the QB is Trevor Simian.
I'll truly shocked if the Pats manage to lose that game.
I tend to think the Bears keep Fields (albeit it's uncertain). Even if we're just fourth we're in very good shape to get one of the big three QBs without a trade-up. I think the Cards will draft Marv. They can't move Murray, and after today who knows if they even want to.
Quote from: zephirus on December 31, 2023, 04:44:58 PMStrength of Schedule is the tie-breaker (assuming there are more than 2 teams tied and those teams didn't play head-to-head). The team with the lower Strength of Schedule picks earlier.
https://www.tankathon.com/nfl
head to head does not count for draft tie-breaker.
If Dallas beats Washington, the Eagles will lay down like dogs.
Quote from: AYM on December 31, 2023, 07:20:48 PMIf Dallas beats Washington, the Eagles will lay down like dogs.
Ehh. I don't know about that. The Eagles have huge worries about their momentunm right now. Plus they know they almost lost to us in Philly. I doubt they just roll over for us under any circumstances.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-draft-order-commanders-move-up-to-no-2-spot-following-cardinals-win-over-eagles/
The key two teams are Arizona and Chicago. Question do they keep their QBs or draft one.
Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 31, 2023, 08:11:21 PMhttps://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-draft-order-commanders-move-up-to-no-2-spot-following-cardinals-win-over-eagles/
The key two teams are Arizona and Chicago. Question do they keep their QBs or draft one.
Bears would be ridiculous to draft one. They can trade that pick for a bounty of picks and really pick up players to an already blossoming roster. Arizona will stick with Murray and take Harrison.
Quote from: katkavage on December 31, 2023, 08:51:16 PMBears would be ridiculous to draft one. They can trade that pick for a bounty of picks and really pick up players to an already blossoming roster. Arizona will stick with Murray and take Harrison.
If the Giants 'hold' on to pick 4 or better, they may be in position to draft a QB. Let's get this franchise moving in the right direction!!
Quote from: kingm56 on January 01, 2024, 01:04:24 AMIf the Giants 'hold' on to pick 4 or better, they may be in position to draft a QB. Let's get this franchise moving in the right direction!!
yes we should be hoping for 4 or better!!
Quote from: katkavage on December 31, 2023, 08:51:16 PMBears would be ridiculous to draft one. They can trade that pick for a bounty of picks and really pick up players to an already blossoming roster. Arizona will stick with Murray and take Harrison.
If by chance the Giants move up to #2 , which I sincerely doubt will happen, why shouldn't the Giants trade that pick for a haul of picks also ?
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 01, 2024, 02:42:16 AMIf by chance the Giants move up to #2 , which I sincerely doubt will happen, why shouldn't the Giants trade that pick for a haul of picks also ?
Because the Giants lack a QB; there are two types of team in todays NFL, those with a Franchise (or potential Franchise) QB, and those without one. The latter experience the run the Giants have 'enjoyed' for 5 years now; thus, they don't trade a top 4 pick when they have a chance to draft the former. For the Giants, extra picks won't solve their fundamental problem, which is a lack of quality passers at the most important position in sports.
Quote from: kingm56 on January 01, 2024, 02:58:06 AMBecause the Giants lack a QB; there are two types of team in todays NFL, those with a Franchise (or potential Franchise) QB, and those without one. The latter experience the run the Giants have 'enjoyed' for 5 years now; thus, they don't trade a top 4 pick when they have a chance to draft the former. For the Giants, extra picks won't solve their fundamental problem, which is a lack of quality passers at the most important position in sports.
Four of the top 5 QBs in the NFL right now : Jalen Hurts was a second round pick, Dak Prescott , a 4th round pick. Brock Purdy, the last player picked and Lamar Jackson the 32nd pick.
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 01, 2024, 06:45:55 AMFour of the top 5 QBs in the NFL right now : Jalen Hurts was a second round pick, Dak Prescott , a 4th round pick. Brock Purdy, the last player picked and Lamar Jackson the 32nd pick.
Interesting, at the beginning of this season posters were arguing every single one of those QB was not A: Not better than DJ and B: NOT a Top 10 QBs. Its interesting to read all the recent 180s. Regardless, your notion doesn't account for the numerous top 10 5 QBs who succeeded. It's a matter of fact that a higher percentage of QBs selected in the top 10, are more successful than those selected outside that range. To illustrate that notion, how many other 2d and 4th round QBs are successful as Dak and Hurts?
Quote from: coggs on December 31, 2023, 07:08:25 PMhead to head does not count for draft tie-breaker.
[/quotQuote from: coggs on December 31, 2023, 07:08:25 PMhead to head does not count for draft tie-breaker.
Correct, unless two teams have the same record and same SoS and have played each other.
Quote from: zephirus on December 31, 2023, 04:24:44 PMWith a Patriots win, Commanders win and Cardinals win (and a Giants loss).
Jets @ Patriots - Belichick almost never loses to the Jets in what should be a miserable game.
Cowboys @ Commanders - fingers crossed, both teams will have plenty of motivation with Dallas looking to clinch the East and the Commanders looking to play spoiler. Also, the Cowboys on the road are a vastly different team.
Seahawks @ Cardinals - division game. Seattle looks good but the Cardinals have been competitive of late.
With all that said, I'd love nothing more than to spoil the Eagles' chance at the division depending on the outcome of the Cowboys/Commanders game.
After watching yesterday I don't think this scenario is that far-fetched. The Commanders winning might seem it, but history says different in this series.
Seattle who has lost 5 of their last 7 can definitely lose to AZ on the road.
If the teams ahead win and the Giants lose to Philly wouldn't the Giants SOS increase and theirs decrease?
Quote from: Ed Vette on January 01, 2024, 08:27:59 AMIf the teams ahead win and the Giants lose to Philly wouldn't the Giants SOS increase and theirs decrease?
Ed, that is definitely true, however, if you are looking at Tankathon.com, I think their listing includes all 17 weeks with their current records. So the changes in SOS for Wash, NE and AZ would be minimal.
Here is the current SOS on ESPN.
We seem to be talking about 5th or possibilities on how to get to picking 2d? Are they the only two scenarios? No 3d or 4th??
Dumpster Dan
Quote from: Dumpster Dan on January 01, 2024, 09:02:19 AMWe seem to be talking about 5th or possibilities on how to get to picking 2d? Are they the only two scenarios? No 3d or 4th??
Dumpster Dan
Dan,
If the Giants lose next week, they would jump any of those teams (Wash, AZ or NE) if they win.
Basically, the Giants will have the lowest SOS of any potential 5 win teams. So if AZ and/or NE win Giants would move past them in draft order.
If they can squeeze into 4 they will have an opportunity for one of the top 3 QBs. If they have their heart set on one over the others they should trade up with Chicago to get him. It's been done before and ultimately resulted in two Super Bowl victories.
Just for further clarification, here is the tankathon.com standings with the explanation that the top about the 17 game SOS. They have the SOS with current records for all 17 games. ESPN has it only for games that have been played.
The Pats, Commanders, and Cards all have home games.
So do we of course, and the Eagles are struggling in a major way. I still think they beat us though.
I struggle to see the Commanders losing to Dallas, but I feel like Arizona could beat Seattle and the Pats could certainly beat the Jets. Especially in Belichick's last game ever in Gillette or as Pats head coach against a rival.
I actually wouldn't rule out two of the above teams winning their games.
If we get to the 4-spot, even if the Bears decide to move on from Fields, since I see Harrison going in the top three I think we'll get a shot at one of the big three QBs without having to trade up. Needless to say there's always the chance the first three picks could be QBs, but the odds of Harrison not going in the top three seem very low to me. People regard him as a generational talent and potentially the best football player in this draft, period.
So unless we beat the Eagles, I think our odds of getting one of the big three QBs without a trade are pretty decent. If the Bears decide to keep Fields and trade the pick or draft Harrison, then we're in even better shape. I don't know if they'll do that, but with the way he's been playing and the fact that the team is 4-1 in their last five, I would not by any means rule it out.
It's going to be tough for this young new GM to kick Justin Fields to the curb given fan pressure:
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1741822614987850139
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 01, 2024, 09:40:47 AMThe Pats, Commanders, and Cards all have home games.
So do we of course, and the Eagles are struggling in a major way. I still think they beat us though.
I struggle to see the Commanders losing to Dallas, but I feel like Arizona could beat Seattle and the Pats could certainly beat the Jets. Especially in Belichick's last game ever in Gillette or as Pats head coach against a rival.
I actually wouldn't rule out two of the above teams winning their games.
If we get to the 4-spot, even if the Bears decide to move on from Fields, since I see Harrison going in the top three I think we'll get a shot at one of the big three QBs without having to trade up. Needless to say there's always the chance the first three picks could be QBs, but the odds of Harrison not going in the top three seem very low to me. People regard him as a generational talent and potentially the best football player in this draft, period.
So unless we beat the Eagles, I think our odds of getting one of the big three QBs without a trade are pretty decent. If the Bears decide to keep Fields and trade the pick or draft Harrison, then we're in even better shape. I don't know if they'll do that, but with the way he's been playing and the fact that the team is 4-1 in their last five, I would not by any means rule it out.
I could see the Bears, if they want to keep Fields trading back to 3 and taking Harrison. Not sure how much they would get in such a deal.
If it ends up being 3 QBs + MHJR it seems we need to be concerned not only with moving up but getting jumped by another team who trades up. Also I can't imagine the giants will be indifferent as to all three QBs. They may love 1 but be much less so on two others
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 01, 2024, 09:52:39 AMI could see the Bears, if they want to keep Fields trading back to 3 and taking Harrison. Not sure how much they would get in such a deal.
I guess that totally depends on who is picking third. Personally I don't see the Cards drafting a QB. The Murray contract is massive and considered a brutal contract. I can't see them moving it. Plus he hasn't been that bad for them this year. They're 3-4 with him and 1-8 in games without him. They may just decide they want Harrison.
If it's someone like us, the Commanders, or the Pats at third, then it's possible it could happen.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 01, 2024, 09:52:39 AMI could see the Bears, if they want to keep Fields trading back to 3 and taking Harrison. Not sure how much they would get in such a deal.
It would be a big mistake if the Bears used that pick for a QB. They are an up and coming team. They could trade it and stockpile picks to really build a foundation around Fields.
Dave,
Agree. Think the 3rd pick scenario could very well happen. Bears might draft Harrison..Coms Williams..then the G-men? :ok:
Quote from: Philosophers on January 01, 2024, 10:01:08 AMIf it ends up being 3 QBs + MHJR it seems we need to be concerned not only with moving up but getting jumped by another team who trades up. Also I can't imagine the giants will be indifferent as to all three QBs. They may love 1 but be much less so on two others
Totally agree. Who knows what the Giants think of these QBs and what they'll think after all the combine stuff and the interviews. No doubt they have some baseline views already. I agree that it's unlikely they'd be happy to draft all three and are indifferent as to which.
That said, I think they also realize that they're unlikely to have a better chance at a top QB prospect in the next 1-2 years than what they have right now. And it's pretty obvious that the QB situation on the team is not good at all. So I think they'll be pretty motivated to take one of these guys if they like them, and if that means a trade-up, then I'll be surprised if Schoen is not at least open to discussing that.
Or as mentioned, Bears could trade the pick again to a team like the Raiders..Falcons..etc.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on January 01, 2024, 10:03:56 AMDave,
Agree. Think the 3rd pick scenario could very well happen. Bears might draft Harrison..Coms Williams..then the G-men? :ok:
Being able to pick between two of these three QBs without a trade-up would be a dream scenario.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on January 01, 2024, 10:06:12 AMOr as mentioned, Bears could trade the pick again to a team like the Raiders..Falcons..etc.
They could, but even if the Bears don't want a QB, it's not a 100% given they trade down. They may have fallen in love with Harrison. If they trade down, unless it's one or two spots, they can forget about Harrison. They may not want to do that.
Keep in mind they have the other first round pick, which can be used on another high quality position player like an OT or Dallas Turner (or a trade-down).
Quote from: spiderblue43 on January 01, 2024, 10:06:12 AMOr as mentioned, Bears could trade the pick again to a team like the Raiders..Falcons..etc.
They could but I would think the Giants would know about that potential and offer their higher pick.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 01, 2024, 10:05:00 AMTotally agree. Who knows what the Giants think of these QBs and what they'll think after all the combine stuff and the interviews. No doubt they have some baseline views already. I agree that it's unlikely they'd be happy to draft all three and are indifferent as to which.
That said, I think they also realize that they're unlikely to have a better chance at a top QB prospect in the next 1-2 years than what they have right now. And it's pretty obvious that the QB situation on the team is not good at all. So I think they'll be pretty motivated to take one of these guys if they like them, and if that means a trade-up, then I'll be surprised if Schoen is not at least open to discussing that.
I agree completely with that. Even if they are only 75% sure they want a QB, it makes total sense at say in the +/- pick 5 area to make a move up to grab one as easier and potentially less draft capital than say waiting a year and moving up to 2 from say 10.
Will the Iggles be the monkey wrench and tank? Done it before..older team that may concede the division...rest Screw the Giants Could see it Daboll will go all out.
:doh:
Quote from: spiderblue43 on January 01, 2024, 12:43:10 PMWill the Iggles be the monkey wrench and tank? Done it before..older team that may concede the division...rest Screw the Giants Could see it Daboll will go all out.
:doh:
Nope. Both games at 4:25. Longshot Dallas losing but if they do and Eagles win, Eagles win division.
Kat..
Dallas game could be over at halftime. Coms can't stop anybody. Tank alert would be in effect.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on January 01, 2024, 12:59:33 PMKat..
Dallas game could be over at halftime. Coms can't stop anybody. Tank alert would be in effect.
Could be, but so could the Giants game.
Kat..
One thing..Siriani is getting bashed (Predictably) in Philly..calling the team dead and wanting the coach fired. So..it may be a must win for him.
Dallas is not good on the road
Quote from: spiderblue43 on January 01, 2024, 01:05:38 PMKat..
One thing..Siriani js getting bashed (Predictably) in Philly..calling the team dead and wanting the coach fired. So..it may be a must win for him.
Huge game for Philly. There will be no tanking
What if...the Bears really want Williams.
We could offer our 2nd round pick along with a 5th for Fields and may still be in a position to snatch Maserati Marv.
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The Bears will really be in the driver seat given they're locked in at number 1. Washington and New England are very clearly headed towards an offseason where the head coach, GM, or both are fired (for Belichick it's one and the same). I imagine their new regimes will want their guy at QB and might pay a premium to move up. If the Bears demands are too rich, they might simply stay pat and pick Marvin Harrison Jr first overall.
We're only 115 days away from finding out....
I have a hard time seeing either of the Pats or Commanders passing on a QB. I just don't see it. I could see it with the Bears and even more likely with the Cards, but not those two. I'll be fairly shocked if either of them takes a different position.
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 01, 2024, 01:14:59 PMWhat if...the Bears really want Williams.
We could offer our 2nd round pick along with a 5th for Fields and may still be in a position to snatch Maserati Marv.
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I get the feeling (I listen to Bears talk) they like Fields a lot as a good teammate and playmaker. And they love Harrison Jr. Put him and Moore with Justin..and you finally have super talent in the pass game.
Eagles fans are big babies. Crying over 11-5. They have had winning success constitently for years. So, I believe based on the temperature there, they won't tank Siriani really gets no respect (typical Philly) and is under a lot of pressure. ~X(
Now you could also say this is a byproduct of winning-high expectations. Giants fans should have such issues.
https://twitter.com/RalphVacchiano/status/1741922889954123999
Can someone find a situation where a team playing as poorly as the Eagles down the stretch (1-4 in last 5) has had a successful playoff run? If they lose to us, or win but don't play well, I can't see them feeling good about their chances. I believe the coaches are going to view this as the beginning of the post season and as such, prepare and play accordingly.
Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on January 01, 2024, 04:08:25 PMCan someone find a situation where a team playing as poorly as the Eagles down the stretch (1-4 in last 5) has had a successful playoff run? If they lose to us, or win but don't play well, I can't see them feeling good about their chances. I believe the coaches are going to view this as the beginning of the post season and as such, prepare and play accordingly.
I would agree with you, although the above is a direct quote from the head coach - not some random person speculating for clickbait.
Obviously, Sirianni might just be putting up smoke screens and has every intention of playing hard.
With that said I also think the Eagles owner and front office would be happy to hurt the Giants' chances of getting a top QB, so there is that to consider as well.
I get it's a direct quote. I just don't believe him for a second that he would really rest guys
There's absolutely no way the Eagles rest people unless it becomes a blow-out, or the score between Dallas/Washington is a clear blow-out at half time. There's no quicker way to lose a locker room than to not play to win. The Eagles want to win the division and host a playoff game. Until that is clearly not in the cards, they're going to play their starters and gameplan to win.
Quote from: zephirus on January 01, 2024, 04:42:35 PMThere's absolutely no way the Eagles rest people unless it becomes a blow-out, or the score between Dallas/Washington is a clear blow-out at half time. There's no quicker way to lose a locker room than to not play to win. The Eagles want to win the division and host a playoff game. Until that is clearly not in the cards, they're going to play their starters and gameplan to win.
That's the right thing to do. With the Eagles.. and their city/fan base hatred of New York..we'll see.
If the Bears go QB, would Fields be expendable? What kind of value would he bring to the open market? If we are too low to draft a solid QB would Fields look good in Blue?, and at what price?
Quote from: LennG on January 01, 2024, 05:57:15 PMIf the Bears go QB, would Fields be expendable? What kind of value would he bring to the open market? If we are too low to draft a solid QB would Fields look good in Blue?, and at what price?
Good question.
I think there will be a healthy market for Fields. My guess is he will cost more than a 2nd rounder. Maybe a 2 and a 3 or a 2 and a 4? Hard to say for sure, and it totally depends on how much interest is out there, but if Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen commanded 2nd rounders, I would think Fields would get at least that.
Would I want him? Not if we're picking 4th and can get someone else that we like (in the draft). If we can't, I'd be willing to consider it, but I don't personally want him that badly. I think he's got some ability but he hasn't really shown any sign of elevating that franchise while he's been there. Granted, the last 4-5 games have gone well.
If one were to trade for Fields, since he'd be going into his fourth year you' need to decide right away on whether or not to exercise his 5th year option. Seems to me if you like him enough to trade for him, that would be a no-brainer. So you'd be locked into him for 2 years, the second of which wouldn't be nearly as cheap as the first.
Gun to my head: no for me.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 01, 2024, 06:22:04 PMGood question.
I think there will be a healthy market for Fields. My guess is he will cost more than a 2nd rounder. Maybe a 2 and a 3 or a 2 and a 4? Hard to say for sure, and it totally depends on how much interest is out there, but if Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen commanded 2nd rounders, I would think Fields would get at least that.
Would I want him? Not if we're picking 4th and can get someone else that we like (in the draft). If we can't, I'd be willing to consider it, but I don't personally want him that badly. I think he's got some ability but he hasn't really shown any sign of elevating that franchise while he's been there. Granted, the last 4-5 games have gone well.
If one were to trade for Fields, since he'd be going into his fourth year you' need to decide right away on whether or not to exercise his 5th year option. Seems to me if you like him enough to trade for him, that would be a no-brainer. So you'd be locked into him for 2 years, the second of which wouldn't be nearly as cheap as the first.
Gun to my head: no for me.
The Falcons seem like a landing spot for Fields. Ridder has been benched twice and they aren't locked in any long or expensive contracts at QB. Whoever acquires Fields would absolutely pick up his 5th year option. You don't made a trade like that for 1 and done. But from the chatter among Bears fans they seem to think Fields stays and they take Harrison.
Quote from: TDToomer on January 01, 2024, 06:57:04 PMThe Falcons seem like a landing spot for Fields. Ridder has been benched twice and they aren't locked in any long or expensive contracts at QB. Whoever acquires Fields would absolutely pick up his 5th year option. You don't made a trade like that for 1 and done. But from the chatter among Bears fans they seem to think Fields stays and they take Harrison.
The Falcons are an interesting idea. I could see that.
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1742312735541518386
Quote from: Ed Vette on January 01, 2024, 08:27:59 AMIf the teams ahead win and the Giants lose to Philly wouldn't the Giants SOS increase and theirs decrease?
Washington is playing D*ll*s, Patriots are playing Jets. Giants played those teams so it is a wash. For Giants and Washington, aside from head to head, 12 of their 15 games are the same. Giants played Raiders, Packers, Saints. So, you want all 3 of them to lose this weekend to weaken their SOS. Washington played Denver, Atlanta, Chicago. Want them to win to increase the Wash's SOS.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 02, 2024, 05:39:59 PMhttps://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1742312735541518386
You will have to excuse me for taking this with a grain of salt. These guys lie, a lot. Not saying he is not being honest this time, but I certainly do not think it is a given that the Cards will not take a QB.
Quote from: coggs on January 03, 2024, 03:13:49 PMYou will have to excuse me for taking this with a grain of salt. These guys lie, a lot. Not saying he is not being honest this time, but I certainly do not think it is a given that the Cards will not take a QB.
Professionally, he cannot say otherwise IMO. Whether they are thinking of drafting a QB or not, you do not make those thoughts public under any circumstances.
Quote from: coggs on January 03, 2024, 03:13:49 PMYou will have to excuse me for taking this with a grain of salt. These guys lie, a lot. Not saying he is not being honest this time, but I certainly do not think it is a given that the Cards will not take a QB.
Fair enough, and I totally agree with you. Even with that caveat, I thought it was worth posting because he sounded particularly emphatic in this case.
However I think you are 100% right to take it with a relative grain of salt, and I agree that coaches often lie in these types of situations.
With all of the above said, I continue to believe that it might be pretty difficult (albeit not necessarily impossible) for the Cards to find suitors for Kyler Murray with that contract and the recent ACL injury, were they to want to trade him.
Quote from: coggs on January 03, 2024, 03:13:49 PMYou will have to excuse me for taking this with a grain of salt. These guys lie, a lot. Not saying he is not being honest this time, but I certainly do not think it is a given that the Cards will not take a QB.
Understand your point and agree these guys lie all the time. That said, I follow the Cards closely (my son's favorite team), and I'm 100% confident Gannon is telling the truth here.
The franchise is all-in in terms of building around Kyler. His contract is actually pretty team friendly:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/kyler-murray-29036
They love Conner, and the prospect of adding MHJ to that offense, while continuing to add pieces to Gannon's defense, has many believing the team is close to competing.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 03, 2024, 05:52:59 PMUnderstand your point and agree these guys lie all the time. That said, I follow the Cards closely (my son's favorite team), and I'm 100% confident Gannon is telling the truth here.
The franchise is all-in in terms of building around Kyler. His contract is actually pretty team friendly:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/kyler-murray-29036
They love Conner, and the prospect of adding MHJ to that offense, while continuing to add pieces to Gannon's defense, has many believing the team is close to competing.
Agreed. Kinda funny Kyler is in this situation, considering how he originally came to the Cardinals when they let Rosen loose so soon after he was drafted high....in order to draft another QB high.
Quote from: PSUBeirut on January 03, 2024, 07:55:52 PMAgreed. Kinda funny Kyler is in this situation, considering how he originally came to the Cardinals when they let Rosen loose so soon after he was drafted high....in order to draft another QB high.
I thought they were nuts to give up on Rosen so quickly but they saw what he was and it was the right move. Rosen can't even get an NFL job now. How did all the scouts miss so badly on him? At least Darnold is a backup with the Niners.
Quote from: TDToomer on January 04, 2024, 08:51:33 AMI thought they were nuts to give up on Rosen so quickly but they saw what he was and it was the right move. Rosen can't even get an NFL job now. How did all the scouts miss so badly on him? At least Darnold is a backup with the Niners.
From what I have read/gathered, Rosen's attitude is a big part of the problem. He has repeatedly been criticized for being entitled, sulky, etc and generally not well liked by teammates. I think his passion level for football has also been questioned.
To be a good NFL QB, you not only have to have a ton of talent, but the dedication and desire has to be there. Rosen may be lacking on both fronts.
By the way, I say all of the above with the admission that I was very high on him coming out of UCLA. I thought he threw a beautiful ball, and I thought it would translate. I was aware that there were some questions around his attitude, but I figured they were either exaggerated or that he'd manage to outgrow them quickly once faced with the rigors of an NFL camp and season. Obviously I was dead wrong about him as a prospect.