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It's amazing how much momentum JJ has.  It was only a few weeks ago that many wondered if JJ would even be drafted in the first round.   Now:




https://x.com/BBsBigHouse1/status/1757054702192046214?s=20

Fans overvalue physical metrics and stats.  Teams value traits and coachability.

You aren't surprised by any of this rooting or hooting, are you? Next up will be the fall of Williams and rising and falling of Maye while guesses are made as to who will offer what to DaBears for Justin Fields if they don't decide to keep him. Although Chicago might be willing to listen, do we think someone will be willing to invest in trading up for whom at No.1? That is, unless you hear a whisper that this is really not a strong QB Draft.  

We may- no may about it- have to wait for another 73 days, and probably an equal number of Mock Drafts to find that out, and whether McCarthy goes before or after Jayden Daniels and far head of Bo Nix and whether or not the Giants prefer to wait for a later Spencer Rattler pick.

73 days for the 'perts and punditi to go back to where they started, or nowhere like it, to which must be added- "with or without trades" 


Cheers!

After watching the more talented team lose last night simply because their quarterback wasn't as good as the other guy, Why is it hard to see why he's shot up the charts? If you go down the list of teams in the NFL, more than a third of them are in desperate need of an upgrade. He was never going to make it past pick 10.

If we think there are 4 worthy QB now in top 10 including JJ, that puts us in a great position at 6.  San Diego has Herbert so they don't need a QB.  Woukd they trade it?  Possibly but I think the Chargers have a lot of very good pieces but just needed a much better coaching staff.  Harbaugh thinks the best way to help Justin Herbert is to give him a better running game.  That starts with improving the OL.  I think he loves the idea of getting 1 of the 2 best OLs there.  I thinkbhe stays put and takes an OL.  Now with 4 other spots remaining ahead of the Giants 1 will probabky go to a WR or possibly a second OT.  That leaves the Giants in line to get one of the four QBs.  The only real wrench is if they love so much over the others that to get him they have to trade.

Quote from: Philosophers on February 13, 2024, 09:34:18 AMIf we think there are 4 worthy QB now in top 10 including JJ, that puts us in a great position at 6.  San Diego has Herbert so they don't need a QB.  Woukd they trade it?  Possibly but I think the Chargers have a lot of very good pieces but just needed a much better coaching staff.  Harbaugh thinks the best way to help Justin Herbert is to give him a better running game.  That starts with improving the OL.  I think he loves the idea of getting 1 of the 2 best OLs there.  I thinkbhe stays put and takes an OL.  Now with 4 other spots remaining ahead of the Giants 1 will probabky go to a WR or possibly a second OT.  That leaves the Giants in line to get one of the four QBs.  The only real wrench is if they love so much over the others that to get him they have to trade.

I agree. The question is, will McCarthy supplant either Maye or Daniels in the order? He is moving up fast. Maye doesn't seem to have been under the microscope as much yet. He will be though and he might drop because of it.

https://x.com/thorku/status/1757408525519561078?s=20

Quite apparently, the operative word has become desperation and all that comes with it. Of course, when it involves McCarthy, it does seem that we prefer to think of it as inspiration.


Cheers!

Quote from: Painter on February 13, 2024, 09:43:18 PM Quite apparently, the operative word has become desperation and all that comes with it. Of course, when it involves McCarthy, it does seem that we prefer to think of it as inspiration.


Cheers!

Larry,

Most of the external links (if not all of them) are not from Giants fans.  They are from the draftnik community.  Despite your suggestion of "desperation," they have nothing to be desperate about.  The reality is that many in this community have connections to NFL teams.  Now that McCarthy has declared, teams are taking a closer look at McCarthy, and they are liking what they see.  So word is leaking out how good NFL teams think McCarthy is.   I recently posted an article about the stats of all the QB prospects (a good read for the statistically oriented).   I found these stats most impressive.   


McCarthy faced the toughest defenses



Third and long is one of the toughest situations QBs face

Rich - I think the stats you have been listing show many of the nuances that fans who seek volume stats simply don't see but NFL teams do.  So much of his success that you see in those stats is because he was extremely well coached but that he makes it easy for coaches to coach him by being so receptive.  That comes from both him as well as his family who in my mind did a fabulous job raising this kid.  He's balanced.  He's humble.  He listens and he wants to get better and will do what you ask him to do.  I think the kid's mental intangibles are going to be off the charts.

Quote from: Philosophers on February 14, 2024, 09:45:24 AMRich - I think the stats you have been listing show many of the nuances that fans who seek volume stats simply don't see but NFL teams do.  So much of his success that you see in those stats is because he was extremely well coached but that he makes it easy for coaches to coach him by being so receptive.  That comes from both him as well as his family who in my mind did a fabulous job raising this kid.  He's balanced.  He's humble.  He listens and he wants to get better and will do what you ask him to do.  I think the kid's mental intangibles are going to be off the charts.

I remember when I took the Greg Gabriel scouting class, one of the things he taught was it's important to see how a player does against the toughest competition.   College football has such a wide range of talent levels.   As you mentioned, gross stats, can be inflated by playing against a bunch of very poor defenses.  Just look at Penix.  Against a weak Texas defense he looked all world, but he came crashing down when he faced a much stronger Michigan defense.

I think it's also worth considering where a QB played.   It's a lot easier to throw a ball in good weather or indoors than it is in the wind and cold.  McCarthy is the only QB on the list who faced harsh weather conditions (the sort a Giants QB will see)

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 14, 2024, 09:52:51 AMI remember when I took the Greg Gabriel scouting class, one of the things he taught was it's important to see how a player does against the toughest competition.   College football has such a wide range of talent levels.   As you mentioned, gross stats, can be inflated by playing against a bunch of very poor defenses.  Just look at Penix.  Against a weak Texas defense he looked all world, but he came crashing down when he faced a much stronger Michigan defense.

I think it's also worth considering where a QB played.   It's a lot easier to throw a ball in good weather or indoors than it is in the wind and cold.  McCarthy is the only QB on the list who faced harsh weather conditions (the sort a Giants QB will see)

Ha Ha your last point is brilliant Rich.  Too many times as a student I remember gorgeous September days going to the Big House when it was 70 degrees and sunny.  By mid-October it was 45-50 and raining and by November it was 30 and snowy/muddy.  That sure is not an SEC venue or Pac 12 either.

They should take him at #6. Unfortunately Jones WILL get hurt again. If it's his neck he may be forced to retire. Sign a vet backup, and by midseason JJ will start.

Quote from: files58 on February 14, 2024, 10:58:32 AMThey should take him at #6. Unfortunately Jones WILL get hurt again. If it's his neck he may be forced to retire. Sign a vet backup, and by midseason JJ will start.

I have to think the Giants were guilty of gross negligence.  How could they sign Jones to that contract when they knew he was at higher risk of future neck injuries????

Quote from: files58 on February 14, 2024, 10:58:32 AMThey should take him at #6. Unfortunately Jones WILL get hurt again. If it's his neck he may be forced to retire. Sign a vet backup, and by midseason JJ will start.

Not to mention the fantasy that he will be ready before October.