Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 09:46:28 AMWhen will the sensor know when a runner's knee or other body part (other than feet or hands) touch the ground?

I would imagine a hybrid system. Just spitballing: give the referees clickers--they click when the believe the runner was down, its time-stamped, and its fed to the tracking system which spits out what yard line the ball was on at the time of the click, reports in the referees ears, then they spot it.

Not perfect, obviously... as do you give them all clickers? What do you do then when multiple click--do you average the click time or something like that? Maybe put someone in a booth with every camera angle and all they do is the try to determine when the runner was down?

Certainly kinks to work out in any system. But my point is really that there are very likely some solutions and probably hybrid with some human input.

With Aaron Donald's retirement, Dexter Lawrence may very well be the best DT in the NFL. He's the best player on the field most of the time they play. If they are to have any success in 2024, the defense will have to be stout and Dex will be key to that.

Report appears to be from the "team reporter" since this 7-on-7 session DJ threw at was closed to media? Wouldn't expect anything other than positives from such a source. Hopefully DJ is progressing in his recovery, but I'm not buying anything this team is selling behind closed doors at this point in the offseason.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 22, 2024, 10:48:31 AMPFF had DJ ranked 12th in the league just prior to the 2023 season, which can be seen down below.

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Now after the 2023 season they have him ranked 29th, seems a bit radical doesn't it?

NFL.com had DJ ranked 18th before the 2023 season, which can be seen down below.

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Now they have him ranked 46th, which can be seen down below, seems a bit extreme doesn't it?

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-ranking-all-66-starting-quarterbacks-from-the-2023-nfl-season

It's almost as if there was football played between these pre-season 2023 and 2024 rankings which affected them...

Nabers' after the catch skills are QB proof... but his ability to stress the defense at multiple levels is not (and requires the QB and/or OL to adjust and improve).

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 16, 2024, 08:56:38 AMI agree.   The first thing I always look for is the bye.   Ideally you want that at the middle (or later) in the schedule-  check

I look for any killer stretches, I don't see that

Finally (and this is just my preference), I look for a minimum of prime-time games.  At three, that's about as low as one can expect as a Giants fan.

I think Weeks 3 to 7 are pretty rough. Each of those teams were above .500 in 2023. The Browns, Cowboys, and Eagles were well above that, winning 11, 12, and 11 games (respectively). Bengals were 9-8 with Joe Burrow only starting 10 games. Seahawks are usually a tough team and its an away game. I don't know what you define as killer, but the Giants could easily go 0-5 during that stretch.

Schedule is released.

Rough stretch early on with Cleveland, Dallas, Seattle, Cincinnati, and Philly over a five-week span. Need to start strong against Minnesota and Washington then carve out 2-3 wins from that difficult portion to have a realistic shot down the stretch.

Was Daboll's approach to training camp an issue in 2022 when the Giants started 6-1? I don't recall criticism at that time. I'm not a fan of the way the Giants started 2023, but I also don't know its the result of the training camp approach... and I don't think teams in 2023 were taking the Giants for granted like they were in 2022.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 15, 2024, 09:27:48 AMCan you please show me in the quotes where it doesn't say that he isn't?

You can't support your actual point, so instead you demand someone prove a negative?

Let's break this down quickly: you asserted people on the board are pinning it all on Jones based on a quote which didn't actually support that prospect, got that pointed out, continued to provide some random quotes which similarly didn't support your point. But instead of conceding, you double-down by requesting that others prove that people didn't assert your point?

Sorry, but that's not how it works. Either you can back up what you assert or you can't. Pretty clear where we've landed on that right now.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 14, 2024, 04:29:17 PMWhat does it mean when he gets blamed for many of the sacks the OL subjects him to, but when a back-up behind a better OL is sacked at an even higher rate we are told that the back-up has better pocket sense?  What does it mean when the woes of the defense are the fault of all the 3 and outs he has, when in actuality the TOP is virtually 50-50?  The fact is that there are posters who have tried to place virtually every team failing at DJ's feet.

And I can go through a list of what I perceive as mental gymnastics of those intent on defending Jones from the mildest of criticism... but where would that get us? My comment that initiated your response was pretty narrow and I have no desire (and little to gain) by going any wider.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 14, 2024, 03:44:15 PMHi,

You may not be aware of this, but here is a direct quote from a poster just a few months ago, and this is what he said about DJ.

"Well what do you want me to call them? Never in all my life do I remember a fanbase of any NY sports franchise; Football, baseball; hockey ; and Basketball so devoted to a player who so obviously just stinks! Can you name one? ... I can't."

There are many more comments like this, but I think you get the point.

A comment that Jones "stinks" does not equate to putting all the blame on him for the Giants' shortcomings.

Quote from: Trench on May 14, 2024, 01:34:37 PMThis is factually incorrect. Not ONE PERSON has PUT "ALL the blame" on his shoulders!....not ONE SINGLE PERSON HAS DONE THAT. Ever.

Well sure... but are you considering how much easier it is to argue (and take the high ground) against an imagined, wildly-unreasonable person?

Quote from: Philosophers on May 08, 2024, 04:07:54 PMReplace a top 10 performance at toughest and most important NFL position with a rookie likely to do poorly?  Why not just draft one and sit him for a year?

Some around here have argued he was top-10 in 2022, largely based on his QBR that season (he was 6th and largely so due to running contribution). But to me, 2022 would not be good enough in 2024 because it would be a "top-10" season by efficiency. Again, my point was that it hinges somewhat on the "top-10" season we're talking about. If 2024 is like 2022, that "top-10" performance doesn't do the trick.

Quote from: Philosophers on May 08, 2024, 10:33:06 AMI believe if DJ is top 10 but Giants are sub 0.500 he'll return in 2025.

I feel exactly the opposite because if they're picking higher via a bad record, a top QB is more likely to be within reach. Though, I'm viewing this top-10 season as being the result of efficiency (akin to 2022) rather than volume--I think the latter would make the decision to replace him harder, though not insurmountable depending on circumstances (that likely can't be anticipated at this time).

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 08, 2024, 10:28:11 AMYou are dealing with small numbers at 10 yards so even 0.1 is significant.  I hope you appreciate that while Egram's 10 yard split wasn't "bad" by RAS standards, what it is is slower than what one would expect from a 4.42 40 and shows Engram's acceleration wasn't that good, which is why he hasn't played like one would expect a TE with a 4.42 40 to play

.1 and .01 are different things entirely--the former being the difference between a 4.4 and a 4.5 (significant), and the latter being the difference between a 4.40 and 4.41 (negligible). We're dealing with the latter in your position that Engram's 10-yard split isn't actually impressive because it would only be "4th ranked TE 10-yard split" this combine, despite a discrete ranking not really being representative of his athleticism as I showed above. Engram's 10-yard split was faster than Wan'Dale's and he's well-regarded for his short-area quickness. Your conclusion about Engram may well-indeed be correct, but it's not supported by the 10-yard split metric and I think its pretty clear.