Quote from: Giant Jim on May 10, 2024, 02:37:49 PMThat has to be the corniest thing I've ever read here, but I'm still laughing.
lol. That's just funny, Jim!
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Show posts MenuQuote from: Giant Jim on May 10, 2024, 02:37:49 PMThat has to be the corniest thing I've ever read here, but I'm still laughing.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 09, 2024, 12:29:43 PMSo, better than Mahomes 2023 season*? Pretty high bar.
* 4183/27/14/3/0
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 04, 2024, 07:36:07 PMNo Receivers.
Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 05, 2024, 12:49:13 AMIf you want to say that Brady playing behind a top five offensive line, for the majority of his career had absolutely no impact on his performance, well then be my guest.
And then after doing so provide only one year, that is right, just one year (2011) of Eli Mannings fifteen-year career (2004-2018) to make your point, and then build an entire world view around it.
So let us begin to expose the faulty line of reasoning.
In 2011, the only year that you shared, what you failed to bring out, was that he had three elite WR's to help him out, in Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, and Mario Manningham.
Quote from: Uncle Mickey on May 04, 2024, 11:52:32 AMThe ironic thing is there was quite a ground-swell brewing amongst the fanbase to nix both Simms and Eli because both of them took longer than expected to really flourish within the Giants offense. Part was maturation, part was getting talent around them. DJ is in a similar boat. I really don't see Dave Brown here. He is not beyond hope in my humblest of opinions, gentleman.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 04, 2024, 10:44:51 AMI think you are overstating things when you claim that Kafka "led the league's best passing game." Kafka wasn't the OC; he was the quarterback's coach & passing game coordinator. To make matters worse, Andy Reid, rather than the OC, calls the plays for the Chiefs.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 04, 2024, 10:35:56 AMIf you believe Kafka didn't have issues, how do you explain Daboll seeking to take away (and he did take away multiple times last season) play-calling duties?
Quote from: Uncle Mickey on May 04, 2024, 10:24:23 AMThe most unbelievable part in this equation hasn't been DJ's production as much as it has been an organization's abject failure to provide him with anywhere near a functional supports system.
I think some are looking for something to blame and have trouble seeing that the support system when you try and best apply metrics to it and it's overall ineptitude that it would rank among the league worst if not the league worst over the last five years when you account for both the coaching side and the talent side of the main things needed for a successful passing game.
Quote from: Uncle Mickey on May 04, 2024, 10:14:12 AMDJ was 29-34 that preseason. And some of those balls he threw were absolute dots. It also translated to the season as well. His issue as a rookie was ball security and understanding how to run without getting annihilated by NFL defenders.
He has since cleaned that part up. Now if we get him a better coached OL (possibly checked off now) and an actual half decent WR group (possibly ALSO checked off now) with a viable offensive system (that too may be checked off under Daboll/Kafka)
I think we all whatever we think of DJ all (mostly) agree that DJ has had a very subpar support system of those 3 items for his career.
I don't think it's an impossibility that he looks more like the player we have seen have some very high level games now that those things could finally be in place.
Some may disagree that is a reasonable view. Fine. Well either way there is a good chance it's going to happen this year health withstanding, him being the starting QB that is. So why not just hope for the positive outcome. Otherwise why even bother watching this season?
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 04, 2024, 09:20:35 AMMatt,
I am confused. The expectation for the Eagles (and this seemed to be a strong consensus) was that they would be returning to the Super Bowl. How does putting up 11 wins (and making the playoffs) while suffering an embarrassing end-of-season loss to the Giants and immediately getting booted from the playoffs in a butt-kicking by the Bucs suggest the Eagles met expectations?
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 04, 2024, 09:15:46 AMThis comment sort of reflects the issue with discussing Jones. Uncle Mickey had "showed flashes of brilliance" as a part of an argument. The Jones critics focused on that part of the argument and first claimed Jones never showed brilliance. Then, when you show historic accomplishments that any reasonable person would say was a flash of brilliance, the goalposts were moved, and it was claimed failed QBs had shown flashes of brilliance (not sure what that even means in context to UM's original point). Finally, we have an entire point Uncle Mickey made thrown out, and it's declared the point that Jones has shown flashes of brilliance is now the entire argument, and clearly, that argument is a "bad one."
How can there be quality conversation in conditions like that?
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 04, 2024, 08:54:51 AM@DaveBrown74 and @kingm56
Remember last year when everyone ignored the Eagles' losing both their OC and DC and predicted a repeated trip to the Super Bowl? The Cowboys lost their very talented DC this past offseason (along with a number of veteran starters). Those sorts of losses tend to go under the radar but are often the most impactful.