Quote from: MightyGiants on October 19, 2023, 08:14:12 AMWhy do you dismiss certain facts?
Why do you do the same thing?
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Show posts MenuQuote from: MightyGiants on October 19, 2023, 08:14:12 AMWhy do you dismiss certain facts?
Quote from: Trench on October 18, 2023, 06:57:57 PMYour point is?...
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on October 18, 2023, 05:39:38 PMTaylor has played in 86 games, with 11,086 yards and has 60 passing TDs and 19 Rushing TDs. Which averages out to be a 0.91 TDs a game
Jones has played in 59 games with 12,487 yards, 62 passing TDs and 13 Rushing TDS. This averages to be a TD every 1.27 TDs a game.
Granted Taylor has played a lot more games, but using the above figures, Jones, on his current career pace, would throw or run for 108 TDs over 86 games, which will broadly be 1.26 TDs a game.
So the question isn't about who is better, it's whether 0.36 TDs a game is worth the additional 35million and change that Jones earns. This 0.36 extra per game equates to 6.12 TDs a season.
Is it worth it?
Quote from: True Blue on October 18, 2023, 05:33:53 PMBetter yet, what did DJ average this year outside those 2 quarters against Arizona?
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 18, 2023, 05:20:24 PMI just finished listening to Papa and Banks. They pointed out with Jones the team averaged 11 points per game. That dropped to 9 with Tyrod
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 18, 2023, 02:34:51 PMThe idea that a fifth year starting QB making $40mm a year needs to "learn from " a $5mm/yr journeyman veteran backup in the later stages of his career is mind-boggling.
Is anyone saying Jalen Hurts can benefit from leaning from Marcus Mariotta? Or that Brock Purdy would stand to benefit from learning from Sam Darnold?
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 18, 2023, 01:07:47 PMI am not sure that AR was made of glass as much as he seems to play a very physical brand of football. His size allowed him to be quite physical, but the downside is that even if you are pretty big, those hits have a way of extracting a toll.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on October 18, 2023, 01:06:14 PMAgreed. It wasn't a question of Daniel or Tyrod. It was a question of Daniel or Tyrod and better players. Plus moving on from Daniel would've unburdened the franchise of the fairytale that Daniel Jones is a franchise QB, which has been holding the organization back for 5 years. We're still stuck in the Gettleman era and will be until his contract is off the books.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 18, 2023, 11:38:55 AMFor me the key thing here is that I don't think Taylor is better than Jones. It's more that they appear to be roughly similar in overall effectiveness. That statement holds true if you are just isolating Sunday night's game against what Jones has done under similar conditions this year, and it also holds true if you widen the lens and look at their whole careers (Taylor's passing stats are in fact a bit better than Jones' long term).
I don't think anyone is pounding the table that Jones is significantly inferior to Taylor. That is not the argument. The point is more that they are not dissimilar in overall effectiveness, and yet one is a career journeyman backup making relatively modest money, and the other is a very well-paid starter. Which if you're a Giants fan feels problematic.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 18, 2023, 08:24:22 AMSince @T200 and @Ed Vette are taking the one extreme, I am going offer up a counterpoint for balance
I find it interesting that the same people who hold Daniel Jones to an impossibly high standard dropped that bar to the ground for Tyrod Taylor. If Jones had scored just 9 points, made a huge mistake that cost the team the game, and failed to score twice while snapping the ball from the 1-yard line, there would be thread after thread calling for him to be benched.
Taylor didn't LOOK bad,Quote from: MightyGiants on October 18, 2023, 08:24:22 AMSince @T200 and @Ed Vette are taking the one extreme, I am going offer up a counterpoint for balancebut his RESULTS were no better than and arguably worse than Jones. How many games will a team win scoring just 9 points especially when the defense gives the offense 2 turnovers?
I find it interesting that the same people who hold Daniel Jones to an impossibly high standard dropped that bar to the ground for Tyrod Taylor. If Jones had scored just 9 points, made a huge mistake that cost the team the game, and failed to score twice while snapping the ball from the 1-yard line, there would be thread after thread calling for him to be benched.
Taylor didn't LOOK bad, but his RESULTS were no better than and arguably worse than Jones. How many games will a team win scoring just 9 points especially when the defense gives the offense 2 turnovers?
Quote from: madbadger on October 17, 2023, 09:39:07 PMThat Taylor led offense led to zero touchdowns and two goal line failures. Tell me again how the offense looked better under Taylor than Jones.