Big Blue Huddle

I wouldn't be surprised if Phil wanted it that way. Look at Jim Boeheim up in Syracuse right now. After 47 years as a head coach, he moved into talk radio and is killing it big time with his encyclopedia of knowledge and experience of the game. Phil offers very much comparable credentials that are relevant in today's NFL and he can do these podcasts and radio bits either from his home or minutes away at the local radio station. We have been privileged to have our first Giant Quarterback Hero of the Super Bowl era still with us after all these years. He deserves additional downtime to do whatever he wants to from this point onward.

Fox is Fox and we all know what they are. Actually, not the aughts but since they started in 1994, Bradshaw and Howie Long celebrate 30 years of service on Fox NFL Sunday while James Brown and Jimmy Johnson started in 1994, Curt Menefee took over the lead in 2006, when Brown moved back to CBS, and Johnson left in 1996, to coach the Dolphins, and didn't return until 2002 (NOTE: Ronnie Lott and Cris Collinsworth filled his role in the interim).

The pre-game shows, both Fox and CBS, have become unwatchable because there's too many loudmouths trying to talk over each other and neither are informative as pre-games were in generations' past before the internet. There's nothing better than Brent Musburger starting the show with "You are looking LIVE at Giants Stadium in The Meadowlands!" Irv Cross whose segments were well researched and integrated perfectly with NFL Films back in the day to make outstanding team, player, coach, owner profiles that were meaningful and contributed to the wholeness of the people inside and outside the game. Even NBC's NFL Live! pre-game with Bob Costas had a comparable effective format, although his supporting cast wasn't as talented, in my opinion, as the CBS team (NOTE: I mean, come on, the "Ax" versus the "Greek?").

Fox did more to break up the traditional format of TV presentation of the National Football League with over-sensationalism which was the beginning of the downfall of the romance of watching the NFL on TV. But the internet really opened the Pandora's Box, with the Advent of Fantasy Football, and the latest strides to make gambling in sports easier than ever, it is now what it is and the purists who watch for the love of football, and love of their team, have to endure all of that extraneous "non-value added" fluff to get to what really matters. But, when they finally do, it is there that Phil Simms will be, as he always has been, since he was drafted 45 years ago.

Peace!

I hope you're right but I cannot get past the fact we had 2 different QBs play much much better than our 40 million dollar man did. This is very problematic.

Quote from: Uncle Mickey on Today at 12:42:08 PMEven on the low end if DJ is Jared Goff, Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins etc. even these guys were pretty successful when they had a functioning well coached OL and WRs. I don't think Daniel unless he is damaged goods at this point is a QB who just 'stinks'. I think his floor is a QB that can be effective if protected well and has quality targets to throw to. Maybe his floor is he doesn't elevate the players around him but with a Nabers and a better coached offensive line I think he can be productive.

Ceiling is us fans get to see what we saw vs. numerous team likes Vikes, Colts, Tampa (rookie year), Washington multiple times happen on a frequent more consistent basis. Those weren't just 'meh' performances but there were many high end QB plays in those games. He does have talent.

Is what I've highlighted that different from most QBs in the NFL? I tend to think not... which then merits in favor of moving on from him with a palatable short-term cap hit, because you can get similar (if not greater) production at a fraction of the cost.

Even on the low end if DJ is Jared Goff, Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins etc. even these guys were pretty successful when they had a functioning well coached OL and WRs. I don't think Daniel unless he is damaged goods at this point is a QB who just 'stinks'. I think his floor is a QB that can be effective if protected well and has quality targets to throw to. Maybe his floor is he doesn't elevate the players around him but with a Nabers and a better coached offensive line I think he can be productive.

Ceiling is us fans get to see what we saw vs. numerous team likes Vikes, Colts, Tampa (rookie year), Washington multiple times happen on a frequent more consistent basis. Those weren't just 'meh' performances but there were many high end QB plays in those games. He does have talent.

Quote from: Trench on Today at 12:38:21 PMSo apparently according to that chart, the 2 backups were able to make quicker reads and get rid of the ball - and as a result, they were able to move the ball downfield with better frequency.

That is NOT what the chart says.  The chart shows Jones faced more and quicker pressure than the other QBs.

If he is cut or retires, the Giants would free up $6,707,500 in cap space.  That money could be used to add a veteran or two or even just be rolled over to the next season.   

In light of drafting Theo Johnson, is there any reason that the Giants should allow Waller more time to decide if he wants to continue to play football?

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 12:32:40 PMI have heard this claim come up, but frankly it's juts not accurate as this chart clearly shows.




How quickly the pressure arrives matters a great deal and clearly the other two QBs had it significantly better than Jones

So apparently according to that chart, the 2 backups were able to make quicker reads and get rid of the ball - and as a result, they were able to move the ball downfield with better frequency.

Quote from: londonblue on Today at 12:21:14 PMIn order:

1. 3T because we do not have a natural one who can pass rush
2. Boundary corner because we only have one plus hopes
3. RG specifically because Eluemunor will beat out Neal at RT
4. Swing T (Tyre Phillips if fit) because if Eluemunor beats out Neal we cannot then rely on Neal as swing T
5. Edge because we do not have a 4th option worth a damn

I hadn't thought about edge, but I agree it would be nice to have another one that can be counted on when Ojulari suffers his annual injuries

Quote from: PSUBeirut on Today at 12:32:36 PMHas any fanbase had as long of a run of middling too-calm QBs to argue about?  I mean, we've been at this for 2 decades now.   

Have to admit the discussions about Jones do have a striking similarity to the ones about Eli

Quote from: Trench on Today at 12:23:10 PMAll true except the fact (not one, but TWO) backup QBs moved the ball better AND actually won some games and came awfully close to doing more than that with other games they lost by a mere play here or there.

I have heard this claim come up, but frankly it's juts not accurate as this chart clearly shows.




How quickly the pressure arrives matters a great deal and clearly the other two QBs had it significantly better than Jones