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#1
I know there have been a lot of Daniel Jones threads recently, but I don't recall one that has actually attempted to speculate on the threshold of what he needs to do to avoid being cut after this season, which we know his contract is designed to allow them to do if they so choose.

What exactly do you think he needs to do in 2024 (at minimum) to avoid being gone after this season?
#2
I know it's still very early and we don't know what the final roster will look like, so by no means are these final or conclusive forecasts, but we are now done with the most critical leg of free agency and also the draft. Any additions to the roster from this point on are likely to be more incremental/supplemental rather than highly impactful. We know who the coaches are. We also know our opponents as well as the venues.

Given all that, as of right now, how do you currently see this season playing out?
#3
New York Giants: A-

    1 (6): WR Malik Nabers, LSU
    2 (47): S Tyler Nubin, Minnesota
    3 (70): CB Andru Phillips, Kentucky
    4 (107): TE Theo Johnson, Penn State
    5 (166): RB Tyrone Tracy, Purdue
    6 (183): LB Darius Muasau, UCLA

Nabers — The Giants were linked to several of the quarterbacks in the draft process. Instead of packaging picks to move up or sticking at No. 6 to bring in J.J. McCarthy, they bring an explosive receiver into a receiving corps in need of talent. Nabers recorded 44 receptions of 20-plus yards over his last two seasons, second-most among FBS wide receivers.

Nubin — PFF's top-ranked safety prospect, Nubin is versatile and impactful. He can be moved all over the secondary and handle the role, as he possesses a high-level football IQ and can stop the run with instincts to cover on the back end. Nubin sported a career-best 90.1 coverage grade in 2023 (first among Power Five safeties) and allowed a 33.0 passer rating in coverage from 2021 to 2023.

Phillips — The Giants drafted Deonte Banks in the first round of last year's draft and now add more youth to that group early in the third round this year. His career-best 23 defensive stops led all SEC cornerbacks in 2023, and his 72.9 PFF coverage grade was also the best mark of his career.

Johnson — Since 2022, Johnson generated a Big Ten-best 146.6 passer rating when targeted. Over the past two seasons, he has amassed 669 receiving yards and 11 touchdowns.

Tracy — Tracy is a good athlete — he recorded a 4.48-second 40-yard dash and 40-inch vertical jump — and should add some explosiveness to a backfield led by Devin Singletary. Despite being a six-year player in college, Tracy has only one season at running back, and he forced 46 missed tackles on just 114 carries in that 2023 season.

Muasau — A well-rounded linebacker, Muasau racked up 137 run stops since 2019 between Hawaii and UCLA in addition to providing value in pressure packages, with 107 total pressures in that time. Likely a core special teamer, Muasau has the football intelligence and tackling ability to hold up in a rotational role in a pinch.


Full article with all teams can be found here:

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-grades-all-32-teams
#4
Goodell, NFL are mulling an 18 game regular season with just two preseason games and the Superbowl on the holiday weekend.

Thoughts?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40031468/roger-goodell-mulls-18-game-slate-president-day-weekend-super-bowl
#5
Say the Chargers traded down and McCarthy went fifth.

You're the Giants. You have narrowed it down to either Alt or Nabers. Which of those two are you going with, and why?

Just curious.
#6
I realize that a scrimmage like this doesn't mean anything, but I still couldn't resist posting it given this fan base's obvious ties to the Manning family. Young Arch looked on point yesterday. He frankly seems ready to play this year. Kind of a shame Ewers is still there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YxsJYXyH-c
#7
Big Blue Huddle / NFT - 2024 NY MLB Teams Thread
April 21, 2024, 06:28:33 AM
I know each year these baseball threads only get sporadic participation, but I figured I'd start one anyway now that the season has begun to start to take a little bit of form.

Full disclosure I'm a Mets fan, but as a NY sports fan in general I do follow the Yankees somewhat closely even though I'm not really rooting for them.

I do like Volpe though, and he is off to a great start after really struggling at the plate last year. I'll be watching him to see if he can keep it up.

The Mets have really surprised me. I had them down for about a 75-78 win type season, but they have quietly gone 12-3 in their last 15 after a brutal 0-5 start, and they have been thumping the Dodgers in LA recently, which is pretty legit. I still think this 2024 team has major question marks and I suspect the current hot play will cool off, but I'm enjoying this while it lasts.

With the NHL and MLB playoffs now underway and the NFL draft about to happen, I realize it's still too early to get materially into baseball, but I'm keeping a lazy eye on the early standings and I figured I'd get the thread started to see if anyone has any early opinions. And then we'll have this for the dog days when there is nothing else going on sports-wise.
#8
Suppose you were offered the ability to lock in the following scenario:

For the next 12 years, the Giants will be an above average, solid team every single year, but they will never once get past the divisional round of the playoffs during that stretch. However, they will also never once have a losing record. They will be respectable every single year for that 12 year stretch. A good comparison would be the Steelers for the past decade or so. They'll basically be 9-8 or 10-7 every year, but will never be a team that is a true threat to go on a deep postseason run.

Would you sign up for that right now? 2024 would fit the above description, and you'd be locked into it for another 11 years after that. And then after that anything could happen.

Or, you can say no, and we are what we are right now and then you can gamble that you'll hopefully get something better than the above in the next decade or so thereafter.

Which way would you go on this, and why?
#9
Which individual player who was on the team last year are you expecting the biggest 2024 breakout from?
#10
Which five NFL coaches would you say are on the hottest seats going into the 2024 season? You can only name five. You can put them in order of hottest to least hot, or you can just list them in no order.

I will give mine after several responses have already come in.
#11
Obviously, this is just a hypothetical, but I'm curious what people think.

If Shadeur Sanders were coming out this year, which QBs do you believe would go before him? Do you think he would be a first round pick?
#12
And if so, if you could pick between JJ and Maye, whom would you take and why?
#13
This is who Charlie Campbell has for us a 6th in his latest mock on WalterFootball:


6.    New York Giants: Rome Odunze, WR, Washington    


The Giants need a receiver upgrade and are in great position to land a No. 1 wideout. Between Malik Nabers and Rome Odunze, New York is in a safe spot to land a mismatch weapon.

Odunze played well in 2023, making some clutch catches and using his size to be a weapon on the sideline. He finished the year having caught 87 passes for 1,640 yards and 13 touchdowns. With Michael Penix at quarterback in 2022, Odunze broke out for Washington, recording 75 receptions for 1,145 yards and seven touchdowns. Odunze (6-3, 212) has good size, but he could have problems separating from NFL defensive backs and will have to win on a lot of contested catches. Odunze is phenomenal at winning contested catches along the sideline because he is deadly on back-shoulder throws.


What would your reaction to this be, and why?


Here is the whole mock, in case anyone is interested:

https://walterfootball.com/draft2024charlie.php
#14
I wouldn't have thought this a month ago, but given some of the buzz out there and given what the Vikings have done, I'm starting to seriously wonder.

If the Giants' plan was that they're comfortable taking any of the big four QBs at 6th, and that they'll just take whichever once makes it to them, do they need to rethink this?
#15
Rodgers is one of the most talented QBs this sport has ever seen, but he's also a pretty strange guy.


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/12/us/politics/rfk-jr-aaron-rodgers-jesse-ventura.html

#16
Giants free-agent predictions: Player-by-player look at who stays and who goes


Last year, New York Giants general manager Joe Schoen kept the team's biggest free agents from reaching the market with an extension for quarterback Daniel Jones and a franchise tag for running back Saquon Barkley. Schoen hasn't made a preemptive move to retain any players yet this year, so there's more uncertainty entering the free agency madness that begins Monday afternoon.

The Giants have 30 players set to hit free agency. Here are predictions for those players' fates with market projections from NFL executives, agents, an agency salary cap specialist and Eric Eager, who is the vice president of sports analytics site SumerSports:


QB Tyrod Taylor: Going

It would make a lot of sense to re-sign Taylor since he performed well while filling in for Jones last season. But Taylor missed four games with broken ribs and then didn't immediately reclaim the starting job from undrafted rookie Tommy DeVito. That experience may sour Taylor on returning to the Giants.

Despite his strong play in the final two games of the season, Taylor isn't expected to have a robust market due to his age (34) and lack of upside. An agent and the cap specialist projected a one-year deal with a base salary of $3 million plus significant incentives based on playing time. That type of deal would fit the Giants' budget. Eager projected a $7 million salary, since that's the market for top backup quarterbacks.

There are arguments to be made on both sides with Taylor, but he may prefer a fresh start after a tumultuous season.



QB Jacob Eason: Going

Eason is an exclusive rights free agent (ERFA), which means the Giants can re-sign him to a minimum one-year contract with no guaranteed money. Tendering ERFAs is typically a no-brainer due to the absence of any risk/commitment, but it doesn't appear re-signing Eason is in the Giants' plans.


RB Saquon Barkley: Going

Barkley is finally going to get his wish to test the market after the Giants elected not to franchise tag him for a second straight year. That doesn't mean the door is closed on a return, as he'll likely give the team that drafted him with the No. 2 pick in 2018 the chance to match his best offer on the market.

It will be fascinating to see how Barkley's market develops among a crowd of accomplished running backs. Projections for Barkley's value ranged from $8 million to $13 million per year.

Where Barkley falls in that wide range will be determined by how the market develops. Teams may not rush to spend on running backs as soon as free agency opens. Whoever signs the first major deal will likely set the market for the rest of the class.

It's possible the Giants could move on while Barkley is shopping for an offer. If Barkley can secure an offer worth $11 million per year, which was reportedly the Giants' final offer last July, it wouldn't be surprising if New York declines to match and spends money elsewhere.


RB Matt Breida: Going

Breida followed Schoen and coach Brian Daboll from Buffalo and has been a reliable backup on cheap deals the past two seasons. Re-signing him to another deal close to the minimum makes sense to maintain some continuity if Barkley leaves.

But the Giants have Eric Gray and Gary Brightwell as cheap, young depth. If they need to replace Barkley, they'll likely spend on a cheaper vet (or two), which could make Breida expendable.


WR Isaiah Hodgins: Staying

Hodgins is in an interesting spot as a restricted free agent (RFA). It would cost $3 million to retain Hodgins on a one-year RFA tender with no guaranteed money.

That may be viewed as a bit rich for Hodgins after he tallied just 21 catches for 230 yards and three touchdowns last season. But the 25-year-old was productive late in the 2022 season and provides quality depth.

The Giants have until Wednesday to decide if they'll tender Hodgins. It's possible the sides could agree to a deal in the same range as the RFA tender amount.


WR Gunner Olszewski: Staying

The Giants and Olszewski enjoyed a mutually beneficial pairing midway through last season. The Giants were desperate for an upgrade at returner, while Olszewski was looking for another chance after getting cut by the Steelers. He averaged 11.7 yards per punt return in 2023, which ranked sixth in the league.

Returner has been a weakness for the Giants for years, so they should make re-signing Olszewski a priority, especially since he won't be expensive. He signed a two-year, $4.2 million contract with the Steelers in 2022. A similar deal seems reasonable to stick with the Giants.


WR Parris Campbell: Going

The Giants took a swing on Campbell with a one-year, $4.7 million contract last year. The swing missed, as Campbell made just 20 catches for 104 yards and was a healthy scratch for the final five games of the season. Neither side will be interested in continuing this relationship.
WR Sterling Shepard: Going

The Giants gave Shepard a deserved send-off in the finale as he wrapped up his eighth season with the team. The farewell was slightly awkward because Shepard hadn't announced his retirement. It's highly unlikely Shepard will continue playing anywhere, but the Giants are clearly moving on.


TE Lawrence Cager: Going

Cager flashed potential in limited action in 2022, but he barely saw the field last season despite top tight end Darren Waller missing five games. It would cost the Giants $3 million to retain Cager with the restricted free agent tender, which is too rich for his modest role. The Giants need to invest in a No. 3 tight end with better blocking ability than Cager.


OL Ben Bredeson: Staying

Bredeson is a tricky player to forecast. He started 16 games last season at all three interior offensive line positions. The Giants will likely seek an upgrade, but Bredeson has value as a versatile backup who can be an adequate starter.

Bredeson's market depends on whether he's viewed as a starter or a backup. As a backup, he'll likely earn in the $2 million to $4 million range, which would be a worthwhile investment for the Giants. But if teams view him as a starter, he could earn $5 million to $6 million, and the Giants likely wouldn't extend that high to keep him.


OL Tyre Phillips: Staying

The torn quad tendon Phillips suffered in Week 17 robbed him of a potential solid payday after making nine starts at right tackle last season. It's unlikely anything will develop soon for Phillips, as he still has a long way to go in the rehab process.

Phillips recently got a positive update from Giants team doctor Scott Rodeo, who performed the surgery in January. There's hope Phillips could be ready for the start of training camp, but any interest from teams will likely be delayed until he's cleared to play. It makes sense for both sides for Phillips to re-sign a one-year minimum deal with the Giants to try to rebuild his value in a familiar setting.


OL Justin Pugh: Going

Pugh is another player whose market will likely take time to develop, so the Giants may circle back again later in the process. But as much as Pugh added value as a stabilizing force last season in his second stint with the Giants, it seems likely they'll head in a different direction as they reshape their offensive line.


OL Matt Peart: Going

Peart never delivered on the glimpses of promise he showed early in his career. The 2020 third-round pick made just seven starts in four seasons, with injuries hindering him the past two seasons. Peart has the tools to be a viable swing tackle, but he'll probably benefit from a fresh start elsewhere.


OL Shane Lemieux: Going

Lemieux is the poster boy for the Giants' unfathomable run of injury misfortune. Lemieux started every game in four years at Oregon before being picked by the Giants in the fifth round of the 2020 draft. He appeared in just six games over the past three seasons due to major toe, knee and biceps injuries. If he's going to revive his career, it will likely be elsewhere.


OL Sean Harlow: Going

Harlow managed to stick on the roster for the final 11 weeks of last season as a backup, but he's another player likely to be swept up in the offensive line overhaul.


OL JC Hassenauer: Going

Hassenauer was signed last spring to a minimum contract to add a center to the roster with NFL experience. But he tore his triceps in the first week of training camp and missed the season. He'll likely be another casualty of the revamped offensive line.


OL Wyatt Davis: Going


The Giants waived Davis before the start of last season, but he then reverted to injured reserve for the entire season. There's no chance the Giants will extend the $3 million RFA tender to Davis, who has played just 29 snaps since being a third-round pick by the Vikings in 2021.


DL A'Shawn Robinson: Going

Robinson signed a one-year, $5 million prove-it deal with the Giants last offseason. The 28-year-old then proved he remains a stout run defender who adds nothing as a pass rusher.

Every source surveyed projected a similar contract for Robinson again this offseason. That could make sense for the Giants, but they may pivot to a defensive lineman with more pass-rush upside.


OLB Jihad Ward: Going

Ward was assured a roster spot as long as Wink Martindale remained the Giants' defensive coordinator. Well, Martindale is no longer the Giants' defensive coordinator after a messy divorce. So it makes sense for the Giants to cut ties with one of Martindale's most loyal players.


OLB Benton Whitley: Staying

Again, it's customary for teams to retain their ERFAs. The Giants signed Whitley off the Vikings' practice squad in Week 12, so they clearly saw something they liked in the 25-year-old.


ILB Isaiah Simmons: Going

Simmons' market was challenging to pin down. He's a former top-10 pick with exceptional athleticism, but he's never translated his physical gifts into being an impact player.

Simmons found a niche as an inside linebacker on passing downs in Martindale's defense, but that role may not exist in new coordinator Shane Bowen's system. Projections for Simmons' salary ranged from the league minimum to $5 million, with all parties predicting a one-year prove-it deal that includes incentives for playing time.

It's hard to see the Giants investing much in Simmons after acquiring him before cut day last year for a seventh-round pick.


ILB Carter Coughlin: Going

The coaching staff turnover tends to have the greatest impact on fringe players. Coughlin was a core special teamer for four seasons under special teams coordinator Thomas McGaughey. But McGaughey was fired after the season, so new coordinator Michael Ghobrial will likely be looking to find his own core pieces.


ILB Cam Brown: Going


Brown and Coughlin have been linked since the moment they were late-round picks in the 2020 draft. That synergy figures to continue this offseason, as Brown is another core special teamer who will likely depart after McGaughey's firing.


ILB Jarrad Davis: Going

Davis was the starting inside linebacker alongside Bobby Okereke last spring before a knee injury ended his season. Perhaps the Giants could bring back Davis for depth on a minimum contract, but they'll likely move on from the 29-year-old coming off a major injury.


CB Adoree' Jackson: Going

There was an agreement among league sources that Jackson is in store for a one-year contract ranging between $5.5 million and $7 million, with possible incentives to increase the value. That price would make sense for the Giants, but they will probably look to move on from the 28-year-old, who just completed a three-year, $39 million contract. Jackson missed multiple games in each season in New York and his spotty tackling won't fit what Bowen's defense demands from cornerbacks.


CB Nick McCloud: Staying

McCloud is in a similar spot as Hodgins, as a restricted free agent whose value is in the $3 million tender range. Whether the Giants tender McCloud or work out a separate deal in that price range, it would make sense to retain a versatile 25-year-old defensive back who excels on special teams.


CB Darnay Holmes: Going

Holmes' trajectory went in the wrong direction under this regime. The 2020 fourth-round pick went from being the team's top slot cornerback to barely playing defense last season after taking a pay cut to remain on the roster. Holmes was a good soldier and performed well on special teams, but both sides will surely be looking to move on.


S Xavier McKinney: Going

McKinney's market will be fascinating to monitor. When Tampa Bay's Antoine Winfield and New England's Kyle Dugger were tagged Tuesday, McKinney appeared to be positioned for a major payday as the top young safety available.

But the market has been flooded by quality veteran cap cuts, which will give teams cheap options at safety. Still, some team figures to spend on an ascending 24-year-old who played every defensive snap last season.

Why are so many NFL safeties being cut? Will their market vanish like it did for RBs?

It remains to be seen if that team will be the Giants, who surely have a cap on how much they're willing to spend on McKinney. An executive projected McKinney's value in the $8 million to $10 million range, while others were much higher on him. An agent projected a deal worth $12 million to $13 million annually, with a possibility of reaching $14 million to $15 million. The cap specialist saw $14 million per year as McKinney's ceiling. Eager was more bullish on McKinney's market, projecting a salary worth $16 million to $18 million in a long-term deal.

Like with running back, it may depend on who signs first at safety. If McKinney doesn't get a big offer early in free agency, one may never come. The Giants want to keep McKinney, but a deal would likely be done by now if they were willing to pay him at the top of his market projection. The bet here is McKinney will find a team that extends beyond the Giants' comfort zone.


K Randy Bullock: Going

Bullock was an effective fill-in when Graham Gano was sidelined with a knee injury last season. But there's no place for Bullock with Gano set to return.


LS Casey Kreiter: Staying

Kreiter has signed eight straight one-year contracts, including the last four with the Giants. At some point the Giants will need to find a new long snapper, but the 33-year-old Kreiter is still getting the job done.
#17
Big Blue Huddle / The 33rd Team's Big Board
March 05, 2024, 07:10:48 PM
Interesting how they have the various QBs ranked:

https://www.the33rdteam.com/nfl-draft/2024/big-board/
#18
Assume you're the Bears GM. For this exercise, it's already decided that you're moving Fields, it's already decided that you're going to take a QB with the first pick overall, and trading down is not an option in this exercise.

Which QB are you picking?
#19
I keep reading posts in which people who are advocating for drafting Joe Alt or some other high end tackle suggest simply sliding Neal over to guard to make room for Alt (or whichever OT we draft) at RT.

How confident are you that Neal can make this switch and play adequately as an NFL guard? How many active starting NFL guards are 6'7" or taller and have that high a center of gravity? If Neal was awful at OT, the position he played throughout his time at Alabama, why would he be a good guard?
#20
No idea how realistic it is, but this is what I came up with.

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Notes:


Fashanu: Arguably the top OT in the class (certainly top two or at worst top three). Immediately steps in at RT.

Legette: Beast X receiver who has been repeatedly likened to Metcalf.

Beebe: Second or third best guard prospect in the class. Day one starter. Addresses a massive need area.

Hall Jr: A touch on the small side for a DT, but quickness and upper body strength helps offset that and at 20 years old there is a lot of upside here. Not sure about starting on day one but addresses a need area with Leo gone.

Corum: One of my favorite RBs in the class. Shifty, explosive, great change of direction, excellent vision, compact but strong build, can outrun people in the open field, has played well in big games. Replacement for Barkley.

Eichenberg: A heralded linebacker prospect falls here. While we improved in this area last year with Okereke in the mix and improved seasons from Simmons and McFadden, this is still a need area and this is a nice value pick. Has potential to be materially additive as a rookie.

Newsome: Tall, versatile d-back who can potentially be groomed into a starter and can help on specials.
#21
Schefter apparently reporting that talks between Belichick and the Falcons have cooled of late:

https://twitter.com/jasrifootball/status/1750579016170447067
#22
Big Blue Huddle / NGT - Divisional Round Games
January 20, 2024, 01:24:50 PM
I'm setting up the thread for this weekend's four games.

Divisional weekend is always my favorite of the postseason. Just four games, all teams that either had to be elite in the regular season or who won the previous weekend. Great slate.

My quick two cents on each game:


Texans +9.5 at Ravens:

Tough one to call here with the points. On the one hand I could easily see the Ravens completely dominating and winning by 30, but Stroud has some magic going right now and Lamar's playoff resume is pretty poor. That doesn't mean he can't turn it around and have a big game today, but I kind of need to see it to believe it, and I'm not dying to fade Stroud with all these points. I would take the Texans getting the 9.5 here, but with pretty low conviction as I recognize Baltimore is the better team.


Pack +10 at 9ers:

Apparently McCaffrey is healthy. Pack can't stop the run and they also won't have the success running the ball themselves that the did last week. I think the Niners win this convincingly and cover the number relatively easily.


Bucs +6 at Lions:

I'm not buying into the Bucs at all. I appreciate they won big last week, but to me that was more about the Eagles' historic implosion than it was about the Bucs being good. I think people are overrating the Bucs right now and 6 points is a gift. Lions win this one going away.


Chiefs +3 at Bills:

Another tough one. It's hard to not want to take Mahomes getting points, plus the Bills' D is banged up, but for me I just can't fade Josh Allen right now, especially at home at night. The crowd is going to be nuts, and the Mahomes-era Chiefs have never played a road playoff game. The Chiefs have just been kind of off all year. The Bills on the other hand have won six in a row. I think they keep it going this weekend. Chiefs will put up a fight but I think the Bills win and should be able to cover.

#23
While the concept of continuity is not a new one to any of us, I thought the way Brady spelled all this out was interesting. I never thought of it from the perspective that firing a head coach can just be another way of helping your opponents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6M8Q-iru0E
#24
I'm curious what people would do now if they were in Jerry Jones' position.
#25
Big Blue Huddle / NGT - Wildcard Weekend Games
January 13, 2024, 04:47:44 PM
Starting a thread for all of this weekend's action.

I have Cleveland in the current game although not with high conviction. Just hard to trust a rookie QB and rookie HC in their first ever playoff game against this caliber of a defense. But this could certainly go either way.
#26
Big Blue Huddle / NGT - NFL Coaching landing spots
January 13, 2024, 01:55:55 PM
We don't really have a centralized thread for this topic, so I figured I'd start one.

Curious to see what people think of the open coaching spots and whom these teams might land.

I have been hearing the Falcons are talking to Belichick right now. The previous expectation had been that he'd land in Washington, but the noise level has increased around the Falcons lately.

Most recent rumor I have seen is Harbaugh to the Chargers. That would be big for Herbert.

https://twitter.com/nflrums/status/1746234769229111693



#27
Big Blue Huddle / NGT - Alabama hires Kalen DeBoer
January 12, 2024, 03:37:01 PM
This is a big time hire in my opinion. This guy can flat out coach. I love this for Alabama.

https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1745905638247420405
#28
First off, let me be very clear: I am not asking if Vrabel is a good head coach or not. I think it's pretty obvious that he is at least a solid NFL head coach, if not better than that. In no way am I saying he's less than that.

My question is more around whether or not people overrate him or not. In my experience, when people I know and in the media talk about Vrabel, they make it sound like he's an elite coach. Like a top 5 coach in the league perhaps. I am curious why he is rated that high. I'm not saying he should be considered not good, but what has he done in Tennessee that was so great? No question for the most part the Titans were consistently a competitive team that had some playoff appearances and (I think) had one year where they may have made it to the AFC championship game, but they have never once been a team that legitimately scared anyone, and in the last couple of years they have been really bad. I think I read they were 1-9 in AFC South games in the last two years, which is pretty putrid considering how bad that division is.

His career winning percentage as head coach (.545) is worse than Jason Garrett's (.559), and both men are 2-3 in postseason play. One of these guys is considered an outstanding coach, and the other was run out of the profession pretty unceremoniously. I'm not saying their situations were identical, but my point is just I'm not seeing what about Vrabel's accomplishments make him this elite or even significantly above average coach that people view him as.

Any thoughts?
#29
Big Blue Huddle / NGT - Nick Saban retiring
January 10, 2024, 05:25:19 PM
#30
Big Blue Huddle / NGT - NCAA National Championship Game
January 08, 2024, 08:54:11 PM
Not very competitive so far in the first half. Michigan can run at will.

Penix has not been impressive at all to this point. Had a wide open Odunze which would have been a touchdown but just flat out missed him. Wasn't even that long of a throw. Can't tell if it's nerves or if this is just the first time he has had to face a real defense this year.

Still time for him to get something going but as of right now I don't see him as helping his draft status versus where he was right before the start of this game. People like to see highly touted players make big plays in big games. We haven't seen that yet from him tonight. And it's not like he doesn't have weapons around him.