Let me preface this by saying I am not an Xs and Os guy. And I realize that many of the mistakes made could be due to inexperience. I was happy when they hired him and last year, they were one of the best redzone Ds in the league. But the scores and yardage given up last year and this year, I find it's concerning. Many on the team were enthusiastic about his hiring with the aggressiveness, but maybe being an old Giant fan spoiled with the likes of LT, Strahan, Carson, Banks and Osi who overwhelmed the man across from them. Right now, we have a disenchanted Thibs and an oft injured Ojulari.
Bobby Skinner posted on twitter they are vulnerable to screens which makes sense when you are rushing with 6. cpmments are welcome.
Quote from: beaugestus on September 22, 2023, 02:26:47 PMLet me preface this by saying I am not an Xs and Os guy. And I realize that many of the mistakes made could be due to inexperience. I was happy when they hired him and last year, they were one of the best redzone Ds in the league. But the scores and yardage given up last year and this year, I find it's concerning. Many on the team were enthusiastic about his hiring with the aggressiveness, but maybe being an old Giant fan spoiled with the likes of LT, Strahan, Carson, Banks and Osi who overwhelmed the man across from them. Right now, we have a disenchanted Thibs and an oft injured Ojulari.
Bobby Skinner posted on twitter they are vulnerable to screens which makes sense when you are rushing with 6. cpmments are welcome.
I listened to Bobby on his podcast. He said the things with screens is you need to practice them. He said it's about lane integrity similar to covering punts or kickoffs
Quote from: MightyGiants on September 22, 2023, 02:33:47 PMI listened to Bobby on his podcast. He said the things with screens is you need to practice them. He said it's about lane integrity similar to covering punts or kickoffs
Rich how much lane integrity can you expect when they rushing 6?
My primary concern/worry with Wink is not that the league has figured him out. He's been around for a long time, so people know what his style is. I don't think that's the issue.
The issue is I'm not sure he is adaptable enough. I think he's a terrific coordinator as long as he has the players he needs. That is, two shutdown man corners and at least four or five legitimately good blitzers, if not more. Clearly, the Giants don't have enough of those ingredients right now, and I'm not sure he's capable or willing to sufficiently adapt his approach in a way that best maximizes the talent we do have.
Quote from: MightyGiants on September 22, 2023, 02:33:47 PMI listened to Bobby on his podcast. He said the things with screens is you need to practice them. He said it's about lane integrity similar to covering punts or kickoffs
On one of those 3rd and longs Pinnock took the wrong lane and took himself out of the play.
Quote from: beaugestus on September 23, 2023, 12:15:33 PMRich how much lane integrity can you expect when they rushing 6?
I think that makes it even more important.
Quote from: beaugestus on September 22, 2023, 02:26:47 PMLet me preface this by saying I am not an Xs and Os guy. And I realize that many of the mistakes made could be due to inexperience. I was happy when they hired him and last year, they were one of the best redzone Ds in the league. But the scores and yardage given up last year and this year, I find it's concerning. Many on the team were enthusiastic about his hiring with the aggressiveness, but maybe being an old Giant fan spoiled with the likes of LT, Strahan, Carson, Banks and Osi who overwhelmed the man across from them. Right now, we have a disenchanted Thibs and an oft injured Ojulari.
Bobby Skinner posted on twitter they are vulnerable to screens which makes sense when you are rushing with 6. cpmments are welcome.
Watch the QB Coach Podcast I put up on Purdy. He mentioned twice that he didn't know what the heck the Giants were thinking with all those blitzes opening up the Hot Read, which btw Purdy excels at.
Think they started playing better, this past weeks issue was the horrible tackling and angles taking.
Winks D will be fine if the rookie CBs turnout to both be solid players.
Wink defense is fine. It's the lack of pass rush and improper tackling which plagued him
Wink can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh** =))
Our GM JS kind of forgot that, with how our Pass Rush is looking. And please forget the Cards Game. On another Tread, I said they were a five win Team,
Well, I'd like to revise that # to a three win Team. Likely they'll get the 1st Overall Pick.
We don't have a legit pass rushing DE on our Roster. I'm totally past buying into these highly Drafted OLB's trying to impersonate LT.
And the 10 Mill FA MLB Okereke is a huge waste of Cap space. The guy came in with a Rep of being a sideline to sideline Tackle machine that could pressure
the QB. Ha, he's just another LB making Tackles 10 yards downfield on Run plays.
Quote from: Jaime on September 24, 2023, 01:45:25 AMWink can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh** =))
Our GM JS kind of forgot that, with how our Pass Rush is looking. And please forget the Cards Game. On another Tread, I said they were a five win Team,
Well, I'd like to revise that # to a three win Team. Likely they'll get the 1st Overall Pick.
We don't have a legit pass rushing DE on our Roster. I'm totally past buying into these highly Drafted OLB's trying to impersonate LT.
And the 10 Mill FA MLB Okereke is a huge waste of Cap space. The guy came in with a Rep of being a sideline to sideline Tackle machine that could pressure
the QB. Ha, he's just another LB making Tackles 10 yards downfield on Run plays.
I don't think Schoen forgot that. Don't think he would have spent the 5th overall pick on a pass rusher and another first round pick on the defense if he didn't believe that. I think it's more a matter of the players he brought in not being good enough to execute to this point.
Quote from: beaugestus on September 22, 2023, 02:26:47 PMLet me preface this by saying I am not an Xs and Os guy. And I realize that many of the mistakes made could be due to inexperience. I was happy when they hired him and last year, they were one of the best redzone Ds in the league. But the scores and yardage given up last year and this year, I find it's concerning. Many on the team were enthusiastic about his hiring with the aggressiveness, but maybe being an old Giant fan spoiled with the likes of LT, Strahan, Carson, Banks and Osi who overwhelmed the man across from them. Right now, we have a disenchanted Thibs and an oft injured Ojulari.
Bobby Skinner posted on twitter they are vulnerable to screens which makes sense when you are rushing with 6. cpmments are welcome.
Wink did bring maximum pressure against the 49rs. His Defense was left on the field far to much by an offense which refused to run the ball and keep the clock running. Defense was on the field for 66% of the game
This loss was on the coaches and the offense
Quote from: BluesCruz on September 24, 2023, 05:06:23 PMWink did bring maximum pressure against the 49rs. His Defense was left on the field far to much by an offense which refused to run the ball and keep the clock running. Defense was on the field for 66% of the game
This loss was on the coaches and the offense
The defense was left on the field because they couldn't get off the field on their own. That's on them not the offense.
The loss was on the talent gap between the two teams. Anyone could see that and knew that going into the game.
Quote from: Rambo89 on September 24, 2023, 05:09:46 PMThe defense was left on the field because they couldn't get off the field on their own. That's on them not the offense.
The loss was on the talent gap between the two teams. Anyone could see that and knew that going into the game.
little bit of both but the offense ball control result was a ton of punting
Jamie punted well but probably had to ice his leg afterwards
Quote from: BluesCruz on September 24, 2023, 05:20:43 PMlittle bit of both but the offense ball control result was a ton of punting
Jamie punted well but probably had to ice his leg afterwards
The Giants ran 46 offensive plays. Hard to run offensive plays when your defense can't get off the field.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 23, 2023, 12:38:06 PMMy primary concern/worry with Wink is not that the league has figured him out. He's been around for a long time, so people know what his style is. I don't think that's the issue.
The issue is I'm not sure he is adaptable enough. I think he's a terrific coordinator as long as he has the players he needs. That is, two shutdown man corners and at least four or five legitimately good blitzers, if not more. Clearly, the Giants don't have enough of those ingredients right now, and I'm not sure he's capable or willing to sufficiently adapt his approach in a way that best maximizes the talent we do have.
And if that's the case, then we need another defensive coordinator. I'm sure Patrick Graham and James Bettcher would be pretty good if they had 2 shutdown man corners and 4-5 good blitzers.
Quote from: AYM on September 24, 2023, 05:28:32 PMAnd if that's the case, then we need another defensive coordinator. I'm sure Patrick Graham and James Bettcher would be pretty good if they had 2 shutdown man corners and 4-5 good blitzers.
I don't know. I think it's a little early to hit the panic button on Wink, myself. He's an established very good coordinator.
He's getting a little long in the tooth...he seemed far more involved and animated when he 1st got here
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 24, 2023, 05:38:05 PMI don't know. I think it's a little early to hit the panic button on Wink, myself. He's an established very good coordinator.
Defense doesn't have enough talent on it to panic about the coordinator yet.
Quote from: Rambo89 on September 24, 2023, 05:46:17 PMDefense doesn't have enough talent on it to panic about the coordinator yet.
BS Rambo!...there is plenty of talent....(I'm not talking about panicking about Wink here) Last year they did JUST fine!...they got soft and they forgot how to tackle. The media hyped the entire team up. Jones looks lethal, Thibs is in great shape, the kid corners have been shut down...blah blah blah...the beat reporters miscalculated. The loss of Julian Love has hurt immensely. He was a pro. McKinney hasnt stepped up. Nor has Thibs or Oljulari. We also haven't had a few breaks go our way like last year and a few horrible calls by refs. Wink isn't the problem, the players are for the most part the same as last year. But it is apparent looking at replays they are not giving their all in the tackling department.
Ravens fans complained about him after his last year with the team.
Quote from: shadowspinner0 on September 24, 2023, 06:37:19 PMRavens fans complained about him after his last year with the team.
They lost both their starting corners that year (both all pro or at least pro bowl guys) and the D struggled. In just about every year he was there they were a top 5 NFL defense.
Quote from: Trench on September 24, 2023, 06:06:18 PMBS Rambo!...there is plenty of talent....(I'm not talking about panicking about Wink here) Last year they did JUST fine!...they got soft and they forgot how to tackle. The media hyped the entire team up. Jones looks lethal, Thibs is in great shape, the kid corners have been shut down...blah blah blah...the beat reporters miscalculated. The loss of Julian Love has hurt immensely. He was a pro. McKinney hasnt stepped up. Nor has Thibs or Oljulari. We also haven't had a few breaks go our way like last year and a few horrible calls by refs. Wink isn't the problem, the players are for the most part the same as last year. But it is apparent looking at replays they are not giving their all in the tackling department.
Disagree on the talent. We may have overrated it a bit based upon last year. Outside of Lawrence there isn't a player out there that you would consider elite. LW is a shell of what he used to be. Thibodeaux is physically gifted but not all there as far as his mental game. And the rest of the group are either really young or never will be much.
There's still a lot of work to do on that side of the ball.
A lot of young players and we don't know how they will develop. Because of that, Wink needs some slack. He can however review his coverage in certain situations and learn from it and spend more time with tackling drills.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 24, 2023, 06:40:19 PMThey lost both their starting corners that year (both all pro or at least pro bowl guys) and the D struggled. In just about every year he was there they were a top 5 NFL defense.
Their complaint was that he never adjusted. He kept blitzing, leaving unproven CB's in an island and gave up big plays all season. Unless our young DB's actually come of age, things can get ugly if he doesn't change his approach.