Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 10:14:01 AMHate? The guy basically said the Giants will only go as far as Jones takes them. I think most would agree with the statement, as he is the Qb for the team currently. If it was any other nfl team that had a qb coming off an injury they'd likely say the exact same thing.

Did I misread the title?  Was this an article about quarterbacks?

Quote from: Trench on Today at 10:17:42 AMThe Giants did not target him consistently whatsoever. That's not on him. That's on Jones or the game plan or both.

Jones had 160 passing attempts, while Taylor and DeVito had 358 attempts (combined).  Why are you blaming Daniel Jones for Bellinger's short comings?

https://x.com/TalkinGiants/status/1789658286792331496

Elijah Chatman, DT
Strengths: Powerful interior defensive lineman who flashes next-level ability. Fires off the snap, plays with terrific pad level, and displays good movement skills. Easily changes direction, moves well in lateral pursuit, and is fluid if asked to twist or stunt. Intense and plays through the whistle. Consistently focused on by opponents in the middle of the field.

Weaknesses: Lacks height and growth potential. More of a gap occupier than a playmaker. Poor pass rusher.

Overall: Chatman is an athletic freak who has shown improvement in his game the past three seasons, yet he's a 3-technique prospect with minimal versatility.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/smu-2023-nfl-draft-scouting-reports/

https://x.com/giantswfan/status/1789654525185331704

Q. How do you feel about that cornerback spot on the outside opposite Tae Banks?

BRIAN DABOLL: Look forward to working in phase three and training camp. But I've got a lot of confidence in (Cor'Dale) Flott.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on Today at 09:37:45 AMPretty wild to me how much faster Bellinger's 10byard split is but Johnson ran a better 40 time. 

I will take the 10-yard split over the 40 times when it comes to tight ends.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 09:33:40 AMI think if this article were written about a QB coming to a team with a bad defense, it wouldn't be unreasonable to write something like "this QB, while very good, may have a tough time leading his team to more wins this year given the uncertainty around the team's defense, which struggled materially in 2023."

Jeff,

It's not like the 2023 disaster of an offense was all on Daniel Jones.  Hell, Jones didn't even play in the majority of games.  So your quote about "the defense" only highlights this author's obsession with Daniel Jones, as there is plenty to be concerned about on the offensive side of the ball, namely the offensive line.

Edit to add-  The Giants got to round 2 of the playoffs with Daniel Jones, so the whole commentary seems disingenuous and only an indication of the Jones hatred that is so pervasive

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on Today at 09:30:59 AMTrue, and it's not a Jones issue - nor am I intimating that - he played with all 3 QBs.

I wouldn't think you would consider this a Daniel Jones issue because Bellinger shined with DJ as QB in 2022.  That was until he sustained a serious eye injury.  Bellinger never was the same when he returned from that injury in 2022 and didn't regain his rookie magic in 2023

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on Today at 09:27:32 AMMaybe so.

I suspect (but don't have the stats) that he took far fewer targets in camp, and the season generally, with addition of Waller.

Bellinger reminds me of Kevin Boss and to a lesser degree, Jake Ballard. I think he just needs the ball. Hopefully Johnson is on that ilk too.

Yeah, he took fewer targets in camp, but he didn't step up when Waller got hurt and he had a chance to shine

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on Today at 09:23:22 AMIf Bellinger returns to rookie year production and Johnson can replicate that, I'd be very happy and more weapons for the QB is useful.

However, if both replicate last year's version of Bellinger, that's not massively useful.

Bellinger needs to focus less on his biceps and more on making an NFL body

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 09:19:06 AMIs it not fair to say that there is uncertainty around Jones this year due to his health?

If this was an article about Daniel Jones or the Giants, offense, then yes.  Otherwise, this question seems to create a false framing as it ignores the point that this was an article about Burns and his impact on the Giants.

Imagine finding a way to take a shot at Daniel Jones when you are writing an article entitled:

Ten traded players who will have biggest impact on 2024 NFL season



Rank 4
Brian Burns

New York Giants · DE
TRADED BY: Carolina Panthers
TRADED FOR: 2024 second- and fifth-round picks, 2025 conditional fifth-round pick (with Carolina receiving a 2024 fifth-round pick)


I thought about slotting Burns at the top of this list, and maybe I should have. Of everyone in my top 10, he seems like the safest lock to play like a star for his new team in 2024. Unlike Allen and Diggs, the 26-year-old is still squarely in his prime, and unlike Jeudy, he's a proven entity with a high floor. Burns has had a double-digit pressure rate every year of his career, per Next Gen Stats, and he should team with Kayvon Thibodeaux to boost a defense that finished 30th in pressure rate last season. The problem is, I could see Burns wrecking opponents this season and the Giants still stumbling because of offensive limitations. So, perhaps unfairly, he lands here, capped, in a way, by the lingering uncertainty around what Daniel Jones will bring to the table.

https://www.nfl.com/news/ten-traded-players-who-will-have-biggest-impact-on-2024-nfl-season



There are legitimate criticisms and concerns about Daniel Jones, and then there is an unhealthy obsession with seeking ways to put the man down.   The remarkable part is from everything we have seen of the man, he doesn't deserve the hate.  The man is among the hardest working (hardest luck) players in the NFL.  Yet there is this obsession with crapping all over him