After watching 6 practice sessions
RISERS
Dexter Lawrence- He looks even more powerful than last season
Micah McFadden- Very impressive in coverage, I don't think Beavers has the 2nd ILB job won (at least just yet)
T. Hawkins III- Perhaps the biggest surprise of camp has been the performance of this day 3 CB
E. Neal- He may not be playing like a 7th overall pick but he looks much better than last season
M. Peart- quietly has had a nice camp
Darren Waller- The guy is a beast
Cole Beasley- I thought it was a joke when they signed him, but he might play a big role in this offense
Jalin Hyatt- I didn't expect much from him this season, but he could end up being the number-one WR
Daniel Jones- more confident, quicker throws, and more accuracy
B. Bredeson- Is becoming a leader (first one out on offense) and I think he is a starter somewhere on the line
Carter Coughlin- I think he makes a push to be the 4th ILB
Eric Gray- I liked his few offensive plays but he has sealed the deal as the kick return and maybe punt returner
Daniel Bellinger- has looked good although Waller is clearly the number one TE
FALLERS
Kayvon Thibodeaux- He has not been impressive so far in camp. Usually, a good pass rusher will have a few "wow" type plays, but KT has not had any. I hope this is an indication of the quality of the OTs rather than a reflection of KT
D. Holmes and C. Flott- Slot CB is becoming a mild concern
Isaiah Hodgins- training camp is where WRs shine, but Hodgins has not. If not for last year's accomplishments, I would wonder if he was making the team. In fairness, Hodgins is better against zone, and Wink loves M2M
Bryce Ford-Wheaton- He's big, and I know he tested through the roof, but I am not seeing it on the field
Lawrence Cager- hasn't had a very good camp; I wouldn't be surprised if Sweeney takes his job
Tyrod Taylor- does not seem as good as last year
Sterling Shepard- Barring injury, I am not liking his chances of making the team
X. McKinney- Been pretty invisible
A. Oruwariye- From former Lions starting CB to longshot to make the team
Thanks for the info
Looking back how scary would we be if we drafted
G Wilson instead of E Neal
It worked out for the Bengals
Just think
G Wilson and J Hyatt on the field together
Quote from: ralphpal1 on August 05, 2023, 09:14:08 AMThanks for the info
Looking back how scary would we be if we drafted
G Wilson instead of E Neal
It worked out for the Bengals
Just think
G Wilson and J Hyatt on the field together
Considering how bad the O-line has been for over a decade, I can't fault efforts to improve it.
Excellent and interesting color. A few thoughts I'm having:
Let's get the negatives out of the way first:
-I don't love hearing this about Thibodeaux, but I'm inclined to look past it for now. He looked pretty darn good down the stretch in some of those late season games, and I have liked the way he has been hard on himself (talks about how his NFL tape is "cringe tape"). I feel like he worked hard in the offseason not just training-wise but studying-wise. I still expect a quantum leap forward from him this season.
-That's a bit disappointing about Hodgins. I am a fan of his and was generally very impressed with him last year, including in some big games. Having said that, this is a crowded receiver room now, so there is not a lot of margin for error for these guys. He better dial it up over the next couple weeks.
-No surprise on Ford-Wheaton. A guy with his measurables playing in the power 5 where there are scouts galore doesn't just go undrafted for no reason.
-Disappointing on Flott. He's a guy I was hoping would quietly have a big step forward this year. Hopefully he still does.
Now on to the positives:
-I follow the rest of the NFL reasonably closely, and Hyatt is becoming one of the bigger camp stories in the league nationally. Outside of Anthony Richardson I'm not sure there is any bigger camp story so far, in terms of a guy who is really impressing everyone beyond expectations. The hype is building.
-Sounds like between Neal looking more stable and Peart surprising, our RT situation this year should be much improved. That's hugely important.
-I'm delighted that Hawkins has looked as good as he has. If he is actually a viable option on defense this year that's a huge steal.
-While I don't put a great deal of stock in QB play in camp, I obviously like what I'm hearing about Jones (what Giants fan wouldn't?). Seems like he has more confidence and just looks very comfortable out there and is making some nice deep throws. I'm definitely looking forward to watching this offense this year. It's been a long time since I've felt like our offense may actually be even "solid."
Maybe it is that behind-the-back, no-look, one-handed ridiculous catch by Pinnock that still blows my mind, but I'd add him to the "positives" list. He's playing hungry - like he wants to be the starting SS and looks like it's his job to lose
I think pinnock Is in the driver seat for starting day 1 opposite Mckinney.
I think if Hawkins continues his amazing play the staff will have a huge dilemma week 1 with Banks/Hawkins.
start all 3: banks, hawkins, jackson, using one as the slot? just wondering. obviously some different skills and techniques, but it's still pass defense, and it isn't darnay 'I can't cover ' holmes.
Quote from: MightyGiants on August 05, 2023, 08:56:24 AMAfter watching 6 practice sessions
RISERS
Dexter Lawrence- He looks even more powerful than last season
Micah McFadden- Very impressive in coverage, I don't think Beavers has the 2nd ILB job won (at least just yet)
T. Hawkins III- Perhaps the biggest surprise of camp has been the performance of this day 3 CB
E. Neal- He may not be playing like a 7th overall pick but he looks much better than last season
M. Peart- quietly has had a nice camp
Darren Waller- The guy is a beast
Cole Beasley- I thought it was a joke when they signed him, but he might play a big role in this offense
Jalin Hyatt- I didn't expect much from him this season, but he could end up being the number-one WR
Daniel Jones- more confident, quicker throws, and more accuracy
B. Bredeson- Is becoming a leader (first one out on offense) and I think he is a starter somewhere on the line
Carter Coughlin- I think he makes a push to be the 4th ILB
Eric Gray- I liked his few offensive plays but he has sealed the deal as the kick return and maybe punt returner
Daniel Bellinger- has looked good although Waller is clearly the number one TE
FALLERS
Kayvon Thibodeaux- He has not been impressive so far in camp. Usually, a good pass rusher will have a few "wow" type plays, but KT has not had any. I hope this is an indication of the quality of the OTs rather than a reflection of KT
D. Holmes and C. Flott- Slot CB is becoming a mild concern
Isaiah Hodgins- training camp is where WRs shine, but Hodgins has not. If not for last year's accomplishments, I would wonder if he was making the team. In fairness, Hodgins is better against zone, and Wink loves M2M
Bryce Ford-Wheaton- He's big, and I know he tested through the roof, but I am not seeing it on the field
Lawrence Cager- hasn't had a very good camp; I wouldn't be surprised if Sweeney takes his job
Tyrod Taylor- does not seem as good as last year
Sterling Shepard- Barring injury, I am not liking his chances of making the team
X. McKinney- Been pretty invisible
A. Oruwariye- From former Lions starting CB to longshot to make the team
The fact that Neal, Peart and Bredeson are there is a delight to read .
If Peart can become that constant swing Tackle who can start for a week or two without much of a drop off that is a big W.
Bredeson I have been vouching for since early last season... I've always said outside of Thomas he was our best lineman a good chunk of the time.
McKinney I hope invisible means "good" as he hasn't been exposed or burnt.
Hodgins im hoping its just a dry spell or something. He wasnt much of a splashy player just very reliable.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on August 05, 2023, 10:24:01 AMI think pinnock Is in the driver seat for starting day 1 opposite Mckinney.
I think if Hawkins continues his amazing play the staff will have a huge dilemma week 1 with Banks/Hawkins.
Good dilemma to have
Pinnock looked good last season , his play thus far does not surprise me
Quote from: President Rick on August 05, 2023, 11:20:13 AMstart all 3: banks, hawkins, jackson, using one as the slot? just wondering. obviously some different skills and techniques, but it's still pass defense, and it isn't darnay 'I can't cover ' holmes.
Yea how was Hawkins in the slot in College if at all ?
I feel Banks almost has to start due to him being a first round draft pick. Has Hawkins played the CB3 with the first team at all during camp ?
Quote from: Jclayton92 on August 05, 2023, 10:24:01 AMI think pinnock Is in the driver seat for starting day 1 opposite Mckinney.
I think if Hawkins continues his amazing play the staff will have a huge dilemma week 1 with Banks/Hawkins.
There are those speaking highly of Pinnock
Rich, If not for durability concern, I assume Azeez Ojulari would be on your list with or without Carl Banks's enthusiastic backing. C'est vrai?
Cheers!
Quote from: Painter on August 05, 2023, 12:28:18 PMRich, If not for durability concern, I assume Azeez Ojulari would be on your list with or without Carl Banks's enthusiastic backing. C'est vrai?
Cheers!
I thought Ojulari looked good. I didn't include him in the list because Ojulari has generally played well outside of injury.
I really believe Hawkins, Banks and Jackson become the starters with one olaying slot. They wont keep Hawkins or Banks on the bench behind Flott.
I am surprised at Thibs in this camp. Expected him to dominate in practice. That has me a bit concerned he has not developed more. Hopefully that is an aberration.
Not worried about McKinney at all.
Happy to read McFadden is rising up at ILB as oppose to everyone is falling but the best of the worst is.....
As always, thanks Rich for your thoughts.
Quote from: Philosophers on August 05, 2023, 01:49:21 PMI really believe Hawkins, Banks and Jackson become the starters with one olaying slot. They wont keep Hawkins or Banks on the bench behind Flott.
I am surprised at Thibs in this camp. Expected him to dominate in practice. That has me a bit concerned he has not developed more. Hopefully that is an aberration.
Not worried about McKinney at all.
Happy to read McFadden is rising up at ILB as oppose to everyone is falling but the best of the worst is.....
As always, thanks Rich for your thoughts.
It would be a bold move to have 2 rookies at the boundary CB positions
Quote from: MightyGiants on August 05, 2023, 04:36:06 PMIt would be a bold move to have 2 rookies at the boundary CB positions
Yes Rich I agree, but it would be nice to eventually have Jackson covering lamb in the slot.
Quote from: Shoelessjoe on August 05, 2023, 09:40:24 PMYes Rich I agree, but it would be nice to eventually have Jackson covering lamb in the slot.
Frank,
I could see the Giants doing it for the Dallas games, but going back to Jackson on the outside for other games.
Quote from: MightyGiants on August 05, 2023, 08:56:24 AMAfter watching 6 practice sessions
RISERS
Dexter Lawrence- He looks even more powerful than last season
Micah McFadden- Very impressive in coverage, I don't think Beavers has the 2nd ILB job won (at least just yet)
T. Hawkins III- Perhaps the biggest surprise of camp has been the performance of this day 3 CB
E. Neal- He may not be playing like a 7th overall pick but he looks much better than last season
M. Peart- quietly has had a nice camp
Darren Waller- The guy is a beast
Cole Beasley- I thought it was a joke when they signed him, but he might play a big role in this offense
Jalin Hyatt- I didn't expect much from him this season, but he could end up being the number-one WR
Daniel Jones- more confident, quicker throws, and more accuracy
B. Bredeson- Is becoming a leader (first one out on offense) and I think he is a starter somewhere on the line
Carter Coughlin- I think he makes a push to be the 4th ILB
Eric Gray- I liked his few offensive plays but he has sealed the deal as the kick return and maybe punt returner
Daniel Bellinger- has looked good although Waller is clearly the number one TE
FALLERS
Kayvon Thibodeaux- He has not been impressive so far in camp. Usually, a good pass rusher will have a few "wow" type plays, but KT has not had any. I hope this is an indication of the quality of the OTs rather than a reflection of KT
D. Holmes and C. Flott- Slot CB is becoming a mild concern
Isaiah Hodgins- training camp is where WRs shine, but Hodgins has not. If not for last year's accomplishments, I would wonder if he was making the team. In fairness, Hodgins is better against zone, and Wink loves M2M
Bryce Ford-Wheaton- He's big, and I know he tested through the roof, but I am not seeing it on the field
Lawrence Cager- hasn't had a very good camp; I wouldn't be surprised if Sweeney takes his job
Tyrod Taylor- does not seem as good as last year
Sterling Shepard- Barring injury, I am not liking his chances of making the team
X. McKinney- Been pretty invisible
A. Oruwariye- From former Lions starting CB to longshot to make the team
Would you put Sills as a riser based on what u have seen?
Rich, keep the spot on Intel coming :Chestram:
Quote from: Trench on August 05, 2023, 10:26:17 PMWould you put Sills as a riser based on what u have seen?
Sills has been what he has been before, a training camp star among the 2nd and 3rd string.
Quote from: MightyGiants on August 06, 2023, 07:35:15 AMSills has been what he has been before, a training camp star among the 2nd and 3rd string.
Ahhh ok, I didn't realize he didn't get reps against the 1st string
Quote from: Trench on August 06, 2023, 09:51:49 AMAhhh ok, I didn't realize he didn't get reps against the 1st string
Plus Collin Johnson is Tyrod's favorite target
Quote from: MightyGiants on August 06, 2023, 10:09:39 AMPlus Collin Johnson is Tyrod's favorite target
Johnson really impressed me last year
Quote from: Trench on August 06, 2023, 10:33:22 AMJohnson really impressed me last year
He's looked pretty good and is clearly T2's favorite target.
Amazing that Daboll was able to produce wins with David Sills getting playing time. He's not an NFL caliber WR.
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on August 07, 2023, 07:51:02 PMAmazing that Daboll was able to produce wins with David Sills getting playing time. He's not an NFL caliber WR.
Nope. You're wrong.
Go watch Sills in preseason games and first few regular season games. He gets separation and he's dependable.
Let's revisit this together at the end of the year
He's dependable to be in the right place. And he's a try hard guy. I don't see the separation. I believe Hodgins replacing him was a key part of the passing game getting better towards the end of the season. I think the staff shares this opinion as they did not activate him for several games the 2nd half of the season.
I will say this about Sills: the opportunity he had last year, with our receiver room in the state it was in and some of the injuries, is an opportunity he'll probably never get again. You can't ask for a better chance than that. He's 27 now too, so not exactly a spring chicken at this point. I think everyone likes and respects him, and I feel like he had a chance and it just didn't click for him in games. I recall him making a critical drop on a key third down when he was open in the first Dallas game, and they desperately needed the conversion.
I like him myself. I love his hustle and perseverance. But it's hard to see him landing on the 53 unless at least two players who aren't already hurt get hurt. I think there are guys above him in the pecking order right now who probably won't even make the team. It's a way deeper room than last year. That's why I feel like last year was his best shot, and he just didn't make a big enough impact in games.
Shame Wheaton hasn't shown anything. Had some optimism around him. Maybe some time to grow on PS will help him out. Was hoping we found a diamond in the rough, many here were high on him as a prospect and was suprised he went undrafted. Guess he is showing some of the reasons why.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on August 08, 2023, 06:55:22 AMI will say this about Sills: the opportunity he had last year, with our receiver room in the state it was in and some of the injuries, is an opportunity he'll probably never get again. You can't ask for a better chance than that. He's 27 now too, so not exactly a spring chicken at this point. I think everyone likes and respects him, and I feel like he had a chance and it just didn't click for him in games. I recall him making a critical drop on a key third down when he was open in the first Dallas game, and they desperately needed the conversion.
I like him myself. I love his hustle and perseverance. But it's hard to see him landing on the 53 unless at least two players who aren't already hurt get hurt. I think there are guys above him in the pecking order right now who probably won't even make the team. It's a way deeper room than last year. That's why I feel like last year was his best shot, and he just didn't make a big enough impact in games.
Yes he made one critical drop. But who hasn't? He also did not have a lot of opportunities thrown his way
Quote from: Trench on August 08, 2023, 08:45:49 AMYes he made one critical drop. But who hasn't? He also did not have a lot of opportunities thrown his way
Totally fair, and I agree that it's unfair to define someone by one play.
But I just think when you're in the position he was, where he is getting his shot and has an opportunity to really help his team in a huge spot, to choke in that situation is tough. That's going to stick in people's minds more than it might with someone who is more established.
I'm not saying he can't recover from that, but again, I maintain that last year was a much better opportunity for him than this one is. The receiver room is crowded now. Last year the cupboard was bare with Golladay and Toney chronically hurt and everyone else mediocre at best.
For Sills to make the 53 this year, he will have to truly light it up. And he probably already needed to in camp this past two weeks. Doesn't seem like that has really happened based on reports I have read. Practice squad seems most likely. If a rash of injuries hits, like it often does with this team, then perhaps they'll give him another shot during the season. But I'll be shocked if he makes the initial 53 given all the guys in the receiver room this year.
He had more than one one drop and struggled to get open at all. The coaches didn't bench him because they had it out for him. He just doesn't separate well enough.
The cold hard reality on Sills is that he's 27 and has yet to ever do anything of note in the NFL. I really doubt it's a case of him being this undiscovered gem that talent evaluators the caliber of Schoen and Daboll have failed to notice. On the contrary, they seem to be the two people who have been the most supportive of his career to this point.
If you're a 27 year old wide receiver and have never done anything in the NFL, the chances are high that you never will. I think everyone likes him because he's a hard worker and seems like a great guy, but the ability level to be a meaningful NFL player just isn't there. Otherwise it would have happened by now.
If you recall the Austrian RB Sandro Platzgummer, it kind of feels similar to that. Everyone was rooting for that kid and was dying to see him make the team. It was a story for two summers, maybe three. People really wanted it to happen, but it didn't. The reason it didn't happen was not because he was unlucky. I think it's similar with Sills.