With the pick of #1 WR Nabers, Hyatt and WanDale - where do we see Slyton?
Will he be traded?
The Giants can't keep players healthy, so valuable depth. Still, wouldn't shock me if the Giants make a trade to pick up some extra draft capital
Slayton will be the #2 next year as Hyatt continues to learn his craft, then he walks at year's end.
I don't think Slayton has any trade value at all. Classic example of a guy being worth more to his team than others value him.
Yeah, his kooky salary demand is gonna kick him in the ass !!!
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2024, 09:55:32 PMThe Giants can't keep players healthy, so valuable depth. Still, wouldn't shock me if the Giants make a trade to pick up some extra draft capital
I am not sure so I'll ask - isn't Slayton being paid like a #1 or 2 WR?....if so that is a problem if he doesnt get looks
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 10:24:10 PMI am not sure so I'll ask - isn't Slayton being paid like a #1 or 2 WR?....if so that is a problem if he doesnt get looks
He's being paid like a number 3 WR. I think the challenge in trading him is that it's such a strong WR draft class
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2024, 10:25:32 PMHe's being paid like a number 3 WR. I think the challenge in trading him is that it's such a strong WR draft class
My bad, I thought he was being paid as a #2
It leaves Slayton playing out his contract this season unless we get an above market trade offer (anything above his original draft round) in the next 24 hours. He will likely have a chip on his shoulder.
I've always liked Slayton because he seems to outplay his ability every season. But the fact that the Giants have not been able to upgrade the position over the last 4 years has made him valuable to the Giants. He'll show up. He'll compete. He will stay healthy or play hurt. He'll be ready when his number is called. I wish we had more wide receivers like that. Maybe now we do. We'll see.
Quote from: bamagiantfan on April 26, 2024, 05:45:35 AMI've always liked Slayton because he seems to outplay his ability every season. But the fact that the Giants have not been able to upgrade the position over the last 4 years has made him valuable to the Giants. He'll show up. He'll compete. He will stay healthy or play hurt. He'll be ready when his number is called. I wish we had more wide receivers like that. Maybe now we do. We'll see.
I agree. I like Slayton.
I think some of it depends how much Hyatt shows.
Slayton has had one of the best yards/rec in the NFL every year while playing for one of the worst passing offenses. There is always targets available for those types.
Other than
@MightyGiants point involving adding depth, I see this whole thing differently.
The question to answer is how adding Nabers affects Wan'Dale Robinson, not Slayton. Nabers has the potential to be elite, and one position he can play is WR, and he will be paid like a #1 WR, but these coaches will not deploy him as a traditional #1 WR.
I can't say how where all the pieces will be when the "dust" settles, but recall that Robinson played mostly out of the backfield in college, and Nabers spent a whole lot of time at LSU in the slot. I expect the Giants to move Nabers and Robinson around a lot and we'll see Robinson being used more like Barkley was. To get full value out of Nabers, they'll have to scheme him open (a lot more than if they had taken Odunze, for example). They can't just flank him out wide on every play.
Bob
PS. Ideally, (once Nabers has his feet on the ground, and assuming no injuries), Hyatt and Slayton will split time torturing defenses deep and one or both of them hopefully will have a big year (fingers crossed).
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 26, 2024, 07:13:38 AMOther than @MightyGiants point involving adding depth, I see this whole thing differently.
The question to answer is how adding Nabers affects Wan'Dale Robinson, not Slayton. Nabers has the potential to be elite, and one position he can play is WR, and he will be paid like a #1 WR, but these coaches will not deploy him as a traditional #1 WR.
I can't say how where all the pieces will be when the "dust" settles, but recall that Robinson played mostly out of the backfield in college, and Nabers spent a whole lot of time at LSU in the slot. I expect the Giants to move Nabers and Robinson around a lot and we'll see Robinson being used more like Barkley was. To get full value out of Nabers, they'll have to scheme him open (a lot more than if they had taken Odunze, for example). They can't just flank him out wide on every play.
Bob
PS. Ideally, (once Nabers has his feet on the ground, and assuming no injuries), Hyatt and Slayton will split time torturing defenses deep and one or both of them are going to have a big year (fingers crossed).
Bob,
I think there is enough positional flexibility that I can envision a 4 man WR rotation of Slayton, Hyatt, Robinson, and Nabers.
Nabers has played mostly slot and flanker, but he has shown enough ability to defeat press coverage that he could be a slit-end (x) receiver as well. I think Hyatt will be trained for the X and the Y (flanker). Slayton is a natural X. Robinson is the slot.
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 26, 2024, 07:13:38 AMOther than @MightyGiants point involving adding depth, I see this whole thing differently.
The question to answer is how adding Nabers affects Wan'Dale Robinson, not Slayton. Nabers has the potential to be elite, and one position he can play is WR, and he will be paid like a #1 WR, but these coaches will not deploy him as a traditional #1 WR.
I can't say how where all the pieces will be when the "dust" settles, but recall that Robinson played mostly out of the backfield in college, and Nabers spent a whole lot of time at LSU in the slot. I expect the Giants to move Nabers and Robinson around a lot and we'll see Robinson being used more like Barkley was. To get full value out of Nabers, they'll have to scheme him open (a lot more than if they had taken Odunze, for example). They can't just flank him out wide on every play.
Bob
PS. Ideally, (once Nabers has his feet on the ground, and assuming no injuries), Hyatt and Slayton will split time torturing defenses deep and one or both of them hopefully will have a big year (fingers crossed).
One thing we are going to see this year is disrespect for our running attack until it proves itself. Teams will focus on taking the deep ball away. This will be a great departure to what we've seen in previous years.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2024, 07:17:42 AMBob,
I think there is enough positional flexibility that I can envision a 4 man WR rotation of Slayton, Hyatt, Robinson, and Nabers.
Nabers has played mostly slot and flanker, but he has shown enough ability to defeat press coverage that he could be a slit-end (x) receiver as well. I think Hyatt will be trained for the X and the Y (flanker). Slayton is a natural X. Robinson is the slot.
Rich: That is not how I see it ending, but like I said... we have to see where the pieces fall when the "dust" finally settles. IMO you could be closer to the "truth" at first (rookies don't get a lot of trust right away) but I know Robinson can play RB and I know Nabers will be most effective from the slot against man defenses. Against zone, they're better off using him as a flanker rather than as a traditional split-end, because it gives him a chance to touch the ball in the run-game. Bob
Quote from: TONKA56 on April 26, 2024, 07:49:49 AMOne thing we are going to see this year is disrespect for our running attack until it proves itself. Teams will focus on taking the deep ball away. This will be a great departure to what we've seen in previous years.
Tonka: Completely agree, but this year IMO they have the answer. Both Robinson and Nabers can contribute in the run-game, and Singletary is a proven NFL-caliber RB. Gray will no longer be a rookie and maybe he's ready to contribute. I think to address your point directly, this year the pass-attack will open it up for the run-game. Daboll/Kafka are not traditional coaches... they prefer the "newfangled" pass-first offenses, and whether we like it or not there will be very little (if any) "Giants' football" on offense and a lot more open attack. Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 26, 2024, 08:01:04 AMTonka: Completely agree, but this year IMO they have the answer. Both Robinson and Nabers can contribute in the run-game, and Singletary is a proven NFL-caliber RB. Gray will no longer be a rookie and maybe he's ready to contribute. I think to address your point directly, this year the pass-attack will open it up for the run-game. Daboll/Kafka are not traditional coaches... they prefer the "newfangled" pass-first offenses, and whether we like it or not there will be very little (if any) "Giants' football" on offense and a lot more open attack. Bob
I think you'll see a team that is capable of generating more big plays but struggles mightily to convert short yardage and to run out the clock.
I doubt there will be more than a handful of games where we are attempting to run out the clock.
But your point is right on.
Quote from: Giant Obsession on April 26, 2024, 09:52:31 AMI doubt there will be more than a handful of games where we are attempting to run out the clock.
But your point is right on.
I think that could very well depend on how well the defense plays. But I appreciate your point.
Think anyone would give a second rounder for Slayton ? lol
I like the dude but I want the team to get a beefy DT and Corner
Quote from: killarich on April 26, 2024, 10:00:36 AMThink anyone would give a second rounder for Slayton ? lol
I like the dude but I want the team to get a beefy DT and Corner
I don't think a 2nd rounder is on the table, especially for this year's draft. There is still several good WRs available and if teams like the Bills that are WR needy pass or miss out (they pick first today) then I could see a trade happening. At best I think a 3rd or 4th for next years draft could happen.
I think the most likely scenario is a post draft trade which is why I think a 2025 pick is most likely.
Quote from: killarich on April 26, 2024, 10:00:36 AMThink anyone would give a second rounder for Slayton ? lol
I like the dude but I want the team to get a beefy DT and Corner
With all the young WRs still available going into the second round that you could have on a rookie deal, uh.....no. Any trade of Slayton would be initiated by the Giants to free up CAP space and they would take whatever they could get. That said, I don't think he is on the trading block.
Never mind the speculation about where Nabers will line up. He will play wherever he best suits the Giants Offense as was the case with OBJ who began play as a Y- with some Slot- and later became a mainstay at the X-.
While the addition of a talent like Nabers to the Giants usual 6-man Receiver Corps including Hyatt, Hodgins, and Robinson was absolutely essential, it leaves a lot of room for them to keep Slayton this year as long as he's willing. Other than Boykin and/ or a punt returner type, it's not obvious who among the preseason roster would be more useful/valuable.
Cheers!
Quote from: Painter on April 26, 2024, 01:48:01 PMNever mind the speculation about where Nabers will line up. He will play wherever he best suits the Giants Offense as was the case with OBJ who began play as a Y- with some Slot- and later became a mainstay at the X-.
While the addition of a talent like Nabers to the Giants usual 6-man Receiver Corps including Hyatt, Hodgins, and Robinson was absolutely essential, it leaves a lot of room for them to keep Slayton this year as long as he's willing. Other than Boykin and/ or a punt returner type, it's not obvious who among the preseason roster would be more useful/valuable.
Cheers!
Larry: Absolutely, and I for one hope he stays. He's about to have a IMO great opportunity to elevate himself (through his production) this season. Having a WR everyone WILL worry about means that he will attract less attention from the defense... isn't this actually what every NFL WR really wants (or should hope for)? Bob
Quote from: uconnjack8 on April 26, 2024, 10:30:28 AMI don't think a 2nd rounder is on the table, especially for this year's draft. There is still several good WRs available and if teams like the Bills that are WR needy pass or miss out (they pick first today) then I could see a trade happening. At best I think a 3rd or 4th for next years draft could happen.
I think the most likely scenario is a post draft trade which is why I think a 2025 pick is most likely.
No one is giving up a 3rd or 4th for Slayton.
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 09:54:28 PMWith the pick of #1 WR Nabers, Hyatt and WanDale - where do we see Slyton?
Will he be traded?
wr1 nabers
wr2 slayton
those 2 guys on the outside are pretty decent
wandale primary slot receiver
hyatt rotates in or is the deep guy on 4 receiver sets.
pretty simple.