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Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Giants 90 man roster makeup by GM

Joe Schoen 79
Dave Gettleman 11

It was Joe Schoen 62/Dave Gettleman 27/Jerry Reese 1 before camp last year ending at Schoen 34/Gettleman 18/Reese 1 at 53 man cutdown day.

Sterling Shepard's departure makes the roster Jerry Reese free for the 1st time since he became GM in 2007.

The 10 Dave Gettleman players are Daniel Jones, Andrew Thomas, Dexter Lawrence, Darius Slayton, Azeez Ojulari, Darnay Holmes, Aaron Robinson, Gary Brightwell, Graham Gano, Casey Kreiter & Carter Coughlin.
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Quote from: 4 Aces on May 05, 2024, 07:49:09 PMProduce.

I was going to say "win games" but I think there's a scenario where he produces but the team doesn't win, and he still comes out looking favorably.

The winning thing isn't just a Daniel Jones problem. That problem existed before DJ arrived. The most you can say is he couldn't elevate them out of the dysfunction. Few QBs (if any) would've. You've got to be careful reading too much into that, given the overall state.

However - careers are short and struggle is real. As Perry Fewell told Justin Tuck once (after his shoulder injury) "you don't get these years back". First time in his career he's got a legit WR1. Good slot WR. He's set up to have success in the passing game. I myself have defended him many times pointing out the impossible nature of having a bad OL w/bad skill players.

If he fails to produce, there's no more wondering what if. He's got enough now.*


*Provided Nabers isn't a bust, of course.

I think the victories are needed.  I don't think the wins factor significantly into the evaluation so much as a QB on a rookie contract is quite attractive.   If the Giants are in a position to draft a QB next draft, I think it would be hard for them not to pull the trigger because they would get that QB on a cheap rookie deal, which is a big help in terms of team building.

If you break the Giants offense out into units, how do you rank each of the units? 

Bold- projected starter

QB

8 Daniel Jones
2 Drew Lock
15 Tommy DeVito

RB

26 Devin Singletary
23 Gary Brightwell
20 Eric Gray
?? Tyrone Tracy
35 Jashaun Corbin
34 Deon Jackson
25 Dante Miller

WR

?? Malik Nabers
86 Darius Slayton
88 Dennis Houston
5 Chase Cota
81 Miles Boykin
17 Wan'Dale Robinson
87 Isaiah McKenzie
13 Jalin Hyatt
18 Isaiah Hodgins
6 Bryce Ford-Wheaton
80 Gunner Olszewski

O-line

78 A. Thomas
70 Y. Cajuste
76 J. Runyan, Jr.
75 J. Ezeudu
64 A. Stinnie
61 J.M. Schmitz
65 A. Schlottmann
63 J. Morrissey
72 J. Eluemunor
60 M. McKethan
62 J. Mayfield
73 E. Neal
68 M. Nelson
77 J. Miles

Quote from: WheresDayne on Today at 07:44:18 AMLT was the only Defensive player on that list.  Damn he was special! 

Yeah, I noticed that as well.  I looked at the historical list, there was only one other defensive player ever to win that award (from my examination of the list)

1971   NFL   RDT   Alan Page   Minnesota Vikings


I think the one that surprised me was:

1982   NFL   K   Mark Moseley   Washington Redskins   


Beyond that, I didn't see a single WR on the list


https://www.pro-football-reference.com/awards/ap-nfl-mvp-award.htm

Quote from: B1GBLUE on Today at 07:58:21 AMnot for nothing but i feel this is a big reason why we didnt reach for jj or penix. it would have literally been the same thing all over again, and taking a qb just to take one. i think caleb or maye are the only two we would have taken, had one of them fallen.

Drafting just to draft a QB no longer sets a franchise back 5 years or so.  It still sets the franchise back two or three years.  With the historically low success rate (less than 50%) of first-round QBs, dating a QB hoping they will prove to be a franchise QB is not a good idea.  With the 6th pick (and with an elite WR prospect available), it would be akin to malpractice to ignore the elite prospect and reach for a QB prospect, hoping that they turn out (rather expecting) to be a franchise-caliber QB.

For what it's worth, I heard Jordan Raanan say the Giants were also high on Jayden Daniels.  So, presumably, the Giants would take a QB if one of the top three were available to them. 

Can you prove Wellington had nothing to do with the draft in 2004?

It's been some years now but I remember distinctly reading in a newspaper quoting Ernie that Wellington didn't want to take a QB. Yes I am aware of the trade but Ernie would have been just as happy w drafting Big Ben.

Also it's hard to take seriously a claim of credit to a GM with a coach , qb, and several excellent players already in place with a sb win. The guy hasn't had a job in 20 years

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 04, 2024, 08:14:00 AMVery interesting, and I'm not surprised that the Rams are sophisticated on this stuff. They are absolutely one of the most progressive and forward-thinking teams in the league.

We (meaning the organization) on the other hand continue to employ head trainers who learned their trade during the Nixon administration, and then when our guys drop like flies at an alarming rate every single year for well over a decade, we shrug our shoulders and chalk it up to random bad luck.

yep! i mean for sure some of it is just bad luck and the nature of football, its a violent game. but for us to lead the league year after year in injuries and missed starts, you HAVE to start looking at the training staff. the giants are a loyal orginzation to a fault. EXCEPT to guys like coughlin and eli. i will never forgive them for how they did tom, even if his time was coming to an end. and ending eli's start streak in favor of geno. absolutely pitiful. yet they keep guys like barnes, and the oline coaches around for years on end.

until they prove otherwise, its not far off. we have a huge question mark coming back at qb, lost our best offensive player in barkley, dont know if a pro bowl te in waller is coming back, more new OL - and a few guys that have still yet to prove they belong, a rookie wr, a solid yet spectacular rb.

the solid teams are the ones who keep a core in place year after year. we have a different oline basically every game. dont even know who is starting at te.

yeah, its bad. i think they have the potential to be decent, but they need to prove that. as always, all starts with the oline. if they can give jones more than 2.4 seconds, and not let the rb get hit behind the LOS, we MIGHT have something.

not for nothing but i feel this is a big reason why we didnt reach for jj or penix. it would have literally been the same thing all over again, and taking a qb just to take one. i think caleb or maye are the only two we would have taken, had one of them fallen.

LT was the only Defensive player on that list.  Damn he was special!