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Quote from: PSUBeirut on Today at 05:43:56 PMTrade deadline was two weeks earlier.  I think if they had dealt Saquon when they were 2-6, less than halfway through the season, the optics of them throwing in the towel would have been a nightmare.

Yes..I thought they should have traded them at the deadline.then they fell further.. Optics could hardly be worse until Tommy Cutlets emerged.

Quote from: spiderblue43 on Today at 05:29:05 PMMighty,

When they were 2-8, I thought the same thing-trade Saquon and X. You might have lost the locker room, but you have to think in what's best for the franchise.

So with their defections, they wind up with a 4th rounder in 2025? That was a poor decision, a try to salvage a season approach when it was already lost.

Trade deadline was two weeks earlier.  I think if they had dealt Saquon when they were 2-6, less than halfway through the season, the optics of them throwing in the towel would have been a nightmare.

I'm surprised that Brees never won it in New Orleans.

Mighty,

When they were 2-8, I thought the same thing-trade Saquon and X. You might have lost the locker room, but you have to think in what's best for the franchise.

So with their defections, they wind up with a 4th rounder in 2025? That was a poor decision, a try to salvage a season approach when it was already lost.

The foot scans are how the boys get fitted for skates 

They didn't want to trade him at a depressed value (also the optics of throwing the towel in completely on the season would have been awful) - and hoped the RB market would still be deflated when it was time to negotiate again.  They (and 99% of this board) were wrong about that.  Seems pretty straightforward.

Quote from: BluesCruz on Today at 01:46:28 PMthat's just the point
He flashes brilliance but is not a reliable week to week performer
he lacks the subtle abilities that make for a solid franchise QB
can't make the throws downfield outside the numbers
can't sense the rush
can't often find the open target
hesitates with his release

much like Sequon flashed brilliance and spent the rest of the day dancing

Saquon has consistently produced at a high level when healthy. Jones has not.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 07:05:58 AM100s of QB have played against bad teams, and never had they done what DJ did.   Look, in the end, you and @kingm56 and the other critics of Jones could ultimately be proven correct in that he will never be a quality starting quarterback.  In fact, with every season that they screw the young man up, it's looking more and more that DJ is never going to succeed.

That said, I would appreciate it if we try to be fair.  There have been flashes of brilliance by Jones; that is something most reasonable people would agree.   Flashes of brilliance don't mean Jones will ultimately be successful, so why not just concede the more than fair point?   It's like the other claim I hear from some of the critics, claiming the Giants have no one to throw them the ball.  As Jordan Raanan says, that's silly.  Jones has his flaws, but he is also an NFL thrower.  It's not like Jones is some little leaguer trying to play in the majors.

I don't think it hurts your case to concede the positives of the man.  If anything, it gives your opinions more validity because it shows you are capable of seeing and acknowledging the good and the bad.  If someone is only willing to see what supports their beliefs and finds excuses to dismiss anything else,  I tend not to value those opinions very highly as they are formed with a flawed process.

So we don't have to agree, but we all should find common ground in acknowledging the good and the bad.

that's just the point
He flashes brilliance but is not a reliable week to week performer
he lacks the subtle abilities that make for a solid franchise QB
can't make the throws downfield outside the numbers
can't sense the rush
can't often find the open target
hesitates with his release

much like Sequon flashed brilliance and spent the rest of the day dancing

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 07:16:51 AMIt's funny; I have seen many list Ojulari as a loser.  I wonder if perhaps being a backup, Ojulari will finally stay healthy and perhaps find a niche (or at least that's what I hope)

This is a fair point. It would be a big win for the defense if it happens. And for Ojulari, it sucks to lose a starting job but you can have a long career and make a relative ton of money as a situational pass rusher. He should lean into the opportunity.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 11:11:51 AMI do, and thank you for the recommendation. I will check them out this weekend.

Please follow up with your thoughts and any highlights worth mentioning in addition to what Rich @MightyGiants has shared with us thus far. I have always enjoyed reading your analyses and this is a subject of great personal and professional interest to me.

Thank you, as always!

Peace!