Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 05:14:33 PMI think Darnold is likely to start the season in Minny, and Jones is definitely better than Darnold, at least in my eyes.

He may also be better than Brissett. Is he definitely, 100%, decisively better than Brissett? Possibly, but I'm not sure. I'd say probably, but I don't think it's some runaway, obvious thing.

He is very likely better than some of these incoming rookies, but we don't know that for sure yet, nor do we know which ones.

The rest of the QBs on this list, I'm sorry, but I don't see the evidence that Jones is clearly better than them. Could that change this year? Sure it could - these rankings are fluid. But right here, right now, I'm just not sure that that's the case.

Good post. Also, I think this is why tiers are better than numerical rankings. A bunch of these guys can be shifted around based on how they played in their last game (which is fair for a power ranking).

If there's a tier for QBs who can't be trusted to run a functional offense against a good defense in a playoff game, half the QBs would fall into that category.  If there's a tier for QBs who can't be trusted to run a functional offense against a solid defense in the regular season, is Daniel Jones in that tier? He's entering year 6 and still has to prove he can be a consistent lower-end starter from one year to the next.

Since misery loves company... it must suck to be a Panthers fan. They traded up for the first pick then chose the wrong guy.

I'm pretty sure players have been making these kinds of bets for as long as sports have existed.

The biggest takeaway for me is the need to coach young players to not put all their business out there. There's too much exposure with podcasts and social media. So young players have to be coached to exercise discretion in those informal settings.

We don't need to know all their business. Today it's a simple bet, and it sounds like Jayden Daniels was surprised Nabers made the bet public. Who knows what he'll be talking about tomorrow. How much grief could have been spared for the boat trip players if that photo was never made public? Young players need to learn to keep these things private, and then when they're retired they can share all the war stories they want.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 04, 2024, 07:16:51 AMIt's funny; I have seen many list Ojulari as a loser.  I wonder if perhaps being a backup, Ojulari will finally stay healthy and perhaps find a niche (or at least that's what I hope)

This is a fair point. It would be a big win for the defense if it happens. And for Ojulari, it sucks to lose a starting job but you can have a long career and make a relative ton of money as a situational pass rusher. He should lean into the opportunity.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 04, 2024, 12:34:11 PMThat's not what you said, though, and that's not what I opined on. Your statement was that "there absolutely was a market for Barkley."

And your last post is a good example of why my opinion is that perspective is off base. There are a whole lot of "ifs" and "normally" and "I'm assuming" for it to be the basis of a definitive statement that Schoen failed.

It was never intended to be a personal attack. Simply an opinion.

In my opinion there absolutely was a market.

In your opinion...

Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 04, 2024, 12:11:14 PMMaybe you should go back and read the posts. I clearly said the assumption of a market wasn't a good one. That is far from definitive. I did not say the assumption was wrong.

Whereas you were the one with the definitive claim that "there was a market". And then act as if I attacked you personally simply by pointing out my opinion on the assumptions made.

No that's another incorrect assumption on your part. I won't speak for anyone else. My position is if Schoen called every GM of every contending team (excluding those with a healthy and premier RB) and no one wanted to give up a mid-round pick for Barkley, then Schoen did his job. However, if Schoen didn't do that then he failed to do the due diligence needed to create a market. Normally when you make calls to 12-18 GMs, there are numerous leaks that you're shopping the player. Since I didn't see reporting that that was the case, I'm assuming Schoen didn't do the work needed to create a market for a talented player.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 04, 2024, 11:59:33 AMGive me a break. I'm not the one claiming that a mistake was made when there is 0 evidence to suggest there was a single team with any interest in trading a draft pick for him. In fact, the evidence suggests the opposite.

No you just made a definitive statement about the different markets as if you aren't every bit an armchair GM  who isn't speculating as much as anyone else. You don't know what they could've gotten for Barkley at the time. As others have pointed out, it's fair to think a playoff team would've given up a pick for him. Yet you seem to think that's an unreasonable take?

Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 04, 2024, 11:42:59 AMThis is one of the biggest blind spots for arm chair GMs.

Unlike you. A REAL general manager. You have special insights no doubt. Smh.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 04, 2024, 10:09:05 AMDid you see what Barkley was paid? 

Yep. There was absolutely a market for Barkley. Not trading him during the season seemed odd. In hindsight it looks even worse.

I agree with both players mentioned. Jones for the obvious reason. Slayton no longer benefits from being the tallest midget in the receivers room (so to speak). Nabers is an elite talent and Hyatt/Robinson have a ton of upside. If Slayton wants the ball he's going to have to step his game up.

Ojulari is a loser based on the trade for Burns.

Neal is probably a winner, though that remains to be seen.

The incomplete for Ojulari is too generous. I think we've seen enough of him to know what he is. He's played more games than Aaron Robinson, Elerson Smith, and Rodarius Williams combined. Thankfully they have Brian Burns now.

Where's the "waiting for a QB" option?

On point 3, Schoen had better be proven right on his free agent moves. This draft looks a lot like a Jerry Reese draft where they prioritize athletic ability. Those types of drafts don't always work out for the best as we've seen over the years.

I'm okay with their approach if only because the roster lacks game changing talent. But it's contingent on the free agent additions on the OL and DL playing well. There's a lot on the line for Daboll but also for Schoen. If the OL continues to fail he's going to get a lot of the blame.

Quote from: madbadger on April 26, 2024, 08:31:57 PMIn fairness he was talking about his physical dimensions.

He didn't think of Jonathan Ogden. He compared Alt to Solder's length and athleticism. If we're talking about Nabers or Ogden it's a much different discussion. Alt isn't that guy. His style is actually similar to Solder.

https://x.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1783661112673566978?t=suNqKDrM-Ebiw37-kUT3-A&s=09

I won't be surprised if he turns out to be better than Mckinney. Good pick.