Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 07:28:18 PMI actually don't believe this to be the case, myself. Pretty much everyone in the media including respected, resourceful insider types like Ian Rappaport claims the Giants tried very hard to get a deal done with the Pats, but it simply wasn't possible (without the terms being obscene to the point of not being worth it).

I think the reason they didn't draft McCarthy is not that they were unwilling to draft a QB with Jones under control. The owner (who has been perhaps the biggest Jones advocate in the building) himself said he was fine with them drafting a QB in the first round. The reason they didn't take McCarthy is because they didn't believe he was worthy of being taken sixth overall. And they couldn't get the guy they wanted. Simple as that.

One thing I heard on a podcast today.  If the Giants drafted a QB just to draft a QB, then you are keeping the team from finding the right QB for the next couple of drafts

Quote from: katkavage on Today at 06:04:38 PMYup. They were never going to draft a QB with Jones under that horrific contract. Giants are so predictable.

I actually don't believe this to be the case, myself. Pretty much everyone in the media including respected, resourceful insider types like Ian Rappaport claims the Giants tried very hard to get a deal done with the Pats, but it simply wasn't possible (without the terms being obscene to the point of not being worth it).

I think the reason they didn't draft McCarthy is not that they were unwilling to draft a QB with Jones under control. The owner (who has been perhaps the biggest Jones advocate in the building) himself said he was fine with them drafting a QB in the first round. The reason they didn't take McCarthy is because they didn't believe he was worthy of being taken sixth overall. And they couldn't get the guy they wanted. Simple as that.

I think this young man is Coughlin's replacement



Q. Could you do me one quickie on the kid from UCLA, what did you see from him?

JOE SCHOEN: Yeah, he's a good football player. He was actually with Ghoby (Michael Ghobrial), our special teams coach, they crossed paths at Hawaii. 440 career tackles, hasn't missed a game, smart, tough, dependable, instinctive. Our special teams coach, he's coached him, has a vision for him on special teams. He was at the East-West, and I would say -- Tyrone Tracy was, too. Having our coaches and Shea at the Senior Bowl with Theo. I think there's a little bit of competitive advantage in terms of -- again, going back to Dabs' staff and their willingness to sacrifice their time to help us in this process, and I would say all three of those guys that we took today, our coaches had intimate knowledge of those guys from the all-star games.

So we are excited about Darius. He's a good football player. He's a good football player.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 04:44:00 PMI am not asking for your favorite or most impactful (although you can factor that into your vote).  The question is which pick had the most value?

One more thing - thank you Rich for providing us with scouting reports on each pick. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.


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Q. Where does Tyrone Tracy in that kind of mold? He's going to be 25.

BRIAN DABOLL: Some of these guys are older, too, relative to what people have been through the past few years, I would say, COVID and all those other things. Some guys are a little bit older. He's a former receiver. In terms of yards per carry, he's been pretty good. He's an athlete who has played receiver and then played running back and has some good production. We'll throw him in the mix. Whether that's in the kickoff return game or whether that's at running back or the receiving part of it, we've got to do a good job of getting him in here and seeing where he's at and then trying to fit him into the things that he can do well.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 04:44:00 PMI am not asking for your favorite or most impactful (although you can factor that into your vote).  The question is which pick had the most value?

Bill Polian once said " teams evaluate Drafts based on the amount of value they gathered and fans evaluate Drafts based on how many needs were filled".

We don't know what the Giants' Draft Board looked like so it's difficult to assess value.  But it's essentially sticking to their grades and not reaching to fill needs. But as have discussed over the years, the mantra really is " best player on the Board at a position of need."


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Q. You didn't take a quarterback in this draft. You tried to move up, or at least had conversations about moving up for a quarterback in this draft. Where do you consider yourself at the quarterback position now for this year and for the future?

JOE SCHOEN: Yeah, for me, I said it in January after the season. Our expectation was Daniel would be our starter and we brought Drew Lock to be his backup and Tommy is a backup, so that's where we are and that's how we'll move forward this season. Daniel is still under contract for three more years. As it sits today, that's where we are.

Q. While you were doing all that work and going to places like Washington and LSU and Carolina, was the design during that time to try to make sure you were coming out of this draft with a young developmental quarterback, or did you view it as due diligence that wasn't necessarily going to come to fruition?

JOE SCHOEN: You know, I understand your question. If you look at the Pro Days we went to, there's quality and quantity. You look at LSU, there's a lot of good players at other positions we did take, no different than Washington. Washington won a lot of games and went to the National Championship, so they had a lot of players.

Q. I guess I should throw in the Drake Maye and JJ, the private workouts --

JOE SCHOEN: What's the question in regard to the private workouts?

Q. All the work you did, I should have mentioned those.

JOE SCHOEN: Yeah, I could name 15 other players we did private workouts at other positions. Again, we are going to continue to do our due diligence. You get six, seven swings, you want to make sure you know as much as you can about each prospect.

And I think being around these kids on their campus, boots on the ground, dinner, setting up Pro Days, whatever it may be, I think you can find out a lot about prospects. It's not just quarterbacks we did private workouts with. We are always going to do our due diligence across the board.

Q. Taking the due diligence on quarterbacks, basically where you're picking, people assumed you were looking to move on from Daniel. Did do you like recommit to him?

JOE SCHOEN: I've said it before, it's not just right now. I mean, Dabs and I went through this in 2017 and we have intimate knowledge of that class, whether it was Lamar Jackson, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph, you can go through it. We know those guys. We have a very good feel. Last year's draft, we spent time with C.J. Stroud, we spent time with Will Levis. Now we know what these kids are about if they ever become free agents or they are on the trade market.

I think it's a different position when you are evaluating. You can watch all the film you want, but there's a reason at that position guys succeed and they fail and it's not just because of the tape. The three years we've been here, we have done a lot of work on the quarterbacks. Maybe it hasn't been as public or maybe it hasn't been as well covered but we'll always do that because of the importance of the position and what goes into it.

You can't just throw the tape on and say, 'OK, I'll sign that guy.' There's a personal makeup, there is a way you carry yourself; leadership, processing information. It's not easy. This guy calls a play in some of these meetings and says regurgitate it to me and then you have to go call out the Mike and then you've got to change the play and you've got to shift this guy and oh, by the way, you have to snap the ball and figure out where you're throwing it to. That's not easy.

So I think spending time with this position is very, very important, whether it's today or down the road or in the future.

Q. Have you spoken directly to Daniel to maybe share with him some of what Joe was saying or to ask him if he has a question? Have you done anything out of the norm because of this situation with Daniel?

BRIAN DABOLL: I talk to the entire team, but I meet with the quarterbacks daily. I spend a lot of time with them every day.

So you know, you're just transparent with the entire team about the whole draft process. You're trying to improve your team. You know, the last meeting we had, I showed a picture up here of all of our area scouts, Joe, his leadership group that he mentioned, and you know, part of their role is to help improve our football team by creating competition.

And then there's a human element, too. If you're sitting in there and you're in the receiver room and we draft Malik Nabers, there's a human element to that, too. So I think you have to be transparent. There's a draft every year. There's free agency every year. We start out the meeting by any new players that are here that weren't here last year, stand up, and any guys that were drafted by Joe and the staff, stand up. It's different every year. The teams are different. It's constructed different.

But I think that opens lines of communication whether it's D.J., whether it's with Tommy, whether it's with the receivers, the D-Linemen and the linebackers, running backs. I encourage all of our coaches to do that because I think that's important to be transparent, whether it's, again, free agency, draft. There's constant turnover. So the communication lines are definitely very important.

I rated it very good- looks like we matched needs with value picks where we got them and potentially have a superstar WR, which is quickly becoming another essential piece to an NFL offense.

I may have rated it higher if Schoen had been a little more aggressive in moving up to get some of the higher ranked CBs, but he didn't have much capital to work with.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on Today at 06:28:33 PMOur starting OL in week 1 will likely be Thomas, Eleumanor, JMS, Runyan, Neal barring injury.

Do you notice right there why some of us are upset about not addressing the Oline weakness in this draft?
O line is like a chain.. one weak link and it breaks. Neal was a turnstile last year.. they messed up with that high pick... they knew it and still stuck their head in the Staten Island sand and depended on his off season training to have fixed him. We know what happened ( and I lost my $5000+ wager)
, so what about this year?
Who is the solid back up at OC behind Schmitz? Bredeson is not here any longer to come in when / if Schmitz goes down.
To me this is failing at your job.