Big Blue Huddle

It's a real chicken or the egg conundrum.  I think it's the QB.  For all the buffoonery of Gettleman...and lord knows there was a lot of THAT out of him during his despicable tenure... if he stumbles accidentally into Jones being any good he probably still has his job right now.  And we all know that guy is horrible at this job.

So to me you can have a bad GM and think he's good provided the QB he gets masks the stench.  You can't really mask a bad QB with a good GM.  No matter the pieces you surround him with, if he's bad he's gonna be bad.  And he's going to take the team with him.

Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 02:37:14 PMWhen does it end?  I stopped watching many years ago; the initial seasons were raw and allowed you to witness the sausage making.  Unfortunately, it's now a massive scripted production...IMO, it lost its initial charm; still, I'll watch this season because it's our Giants.

I assume it ends in June.

Turkey Day Again !

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Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 02:34:23 PMI don't know why they don't take it through the first two weeks of Training Camp. Much more meat on the bone.

When does it end?  I stopped watching many years ago; the initial seasons were raw and allowed you to witness the sausage making.  Unfortunately, it's now a massive scripted production...IMO, it lost its initial charm; still, I'll watch this season because it's our Giants.

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 01:59:15 PMThey don't know who the starting QB will be.

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I don't know why they don't take it through the first two weeks of Training Camp. Much more meat on the bone.

Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 02:24:24 PMAs it relates to context, should we continue to decouple the Offensive Line from the QB performance? From your posts, I get the impression you believe only the QB benefits from the OL, but fail to acknowledge the OL benefits from sound QB play. If the latter is terrible, it can make the OL appear worse than it is, or at the very least make thier jobs more difficult.  I stumbled across the article below a few years back and kept it to test thier conclusions at the end of each year. I highly encourage you read and consider the points made.  To be clear, I'm not suggesting the Giants OL is great, good, or even average. I acknowledge they stink and negatively impact DJ's performance; however, I also acknowledge DJ's shortcomings contribute to a significant portion of his sacks. IMO, they collectively stunk...

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/are-nfl-quarterbacks-responsible-for-sack-quality 

I was going to drop that point and it's a good one, but I didn't want to have to explain myself in a series of another dozen posts for those in the back of the room.

I'm actually looking forward to this production!

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 01:59:15 PMThey don't know who the starting QB will be.

We didn't know who the starting QB was in 1977 either! The very limited Giants' NFL Properties at the time only featured #10. Great! Which QB was #10? NO! You don't get it, #10 was Brad Van Pelt, our star LB!!!

The Giants shipped Craig Morton to Denver in exchange for Steve Ramsey. They signed Dennis Shaw in 1976. They also signed three kids, Jerry Golsteyn, Randy Dean and the infamous "Patterson Plank" Joe (whose name shall not be mentioned on this board lest one wish an ugly encounter with the "Tru-Blu fan," the tall, dark handsome, now retired CBS engineer parked in front of the Gevalia Urn sipping today's light-roast special). The ugly disaster of six pre-season games in 1977 revealed quickly that neither Shaw nor Ramsey were up for the Giants' QB gig, and that John McVay would go into the season with the three kids with zero (0) NFL experience between them.

Perhaps they didn't know any better, or maybe Frank Gifford's Hall of Fame halftime ceremony charged up the troops, but the Giants, led by Golsteyn, kept pace with George Allen's Redskins all day. George Martin returned an INT for a TD, but the Giants still trailed late in the final quarter. But the Giants' Defense generated a fumble, which they recovered, and "The Beak," Joe Danelo, booted the kick straight and true for the winner and Giants Stadium rocked. Forget those Cowboys and Steelers #12 jerseys, we now have our own #12 hero! Right! Right? Uh, right, everyone, uh, hey, give it up for the "Steen" guys and gals! Where'd everyone go? They went down to Dallas next week where #12 in the blue jersey was squashed like a bug on a windshield by this huge player in a white jersey with the #79 on it (i.e. Harvey Martin). The Giants had a left tackle issue back then; Gordon Gravelle was completely overmatched and the results were very similar to last year's season opener. Golsteyn (#12) was injured and in came our fearless leader from New Mexico State, #9 himself. He didn't fare much better but, at least to his credit, he tossed up a wing and a prayer that became the Giants only "Hail Mary" that was answered that day in a 41-21 whooping in Big D.

So, the point is that this discussion made me chuckle, a little, because it brought back memories from the 1990s as well as the 1970s. You want the QB on the Germany poster? Just be glad we have a poster at all! Sometimes you have to be grateful for even the little things.

Peace!