Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 31, 2024, 05:44:57 PMCompletely agree, I also think they should leave Ezeudu at one position.

Yeah, I think the desire for flexibility can retard a young guy's development.

Seems absurd to me.  A QB under pressure can still complete a pass and even make a big play. 

I seem to remember a QB under extreme pressure completing one of the most meaningful big plays in SB history.  And then 4 years later while under serious pressure complete one of the biggest sideline passes in SB history.  How many big plays has a guy like Mahomes made while running for his life.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/highest-qb-rating-under-pressure-2023

But no QB has ever made a big play after being sacked.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 31, 2024, 02:52:35 PM"Don't judge a player when they're young, and don't judge a player when they're injured," Bricillo said Thursday when referring to Neal.

Neal has either been a raw rookie playing on the opposite side, or injured. I think he ends up being a solid starter if he can stay healthy.

And Ezeudu is young and was injured, which is why it is wrong, IMO, for some fans to just write him off.  In addition to the guys we brought in we have 3 guys, Ezeudu, Neal, and JMS who fit into Bricello's caution.

Quote from: 4 Aces on May 30, 2024, 05:45:35 PMThe first thing I think when I hear that is run D. The Giants seemingly had good run personnel on the field under Wink but they'd get gashed. Thinking back, a lack of cohesiveness between interior & exterior would explain things.

The other thing I think about is "stunts and twists". I haven't seen the Giants utilize these as effectively as other team's lately. JPP used to be really good at it. In a recent interview with Burns, he lit up talking up about Dex. "When I'm rushing with Dex, I got a plan." He's so dominant a smart player can feast off the attention he gets. 

If you marry that to what we're hearing with DT/DE cohesiveness, it starts to paint a picture. These 2 in a T/E stunt can be a nightmare.

They've also apparently shown a NASCAR package with Thibs & Ojulari at DE and Dex & Burns at DT. You can run some nasty twists and stunts from that alignment, too. Exploit the carnage Dex leaves in his wake with blinding fast athletes like Burns.

After OL improvement my next priority is run defense.  I'm not sure that it's still true in the modern NFL that you have to be able to run the ball to be successful, but I definitely think it's still true that you have to be able to stop the run.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 31, 2024, 06:40:23 AMAt the very least, they see a high 3rd round pick.  Picking a guard high in the third round usually yields a serviceable starter

And due to an injury last year he's only played in 16 games in his 2 years.  OL is a developmental position and you have to give a guy time and a decent coach to develop.  Neither of which Ezeudu has had, yet.

If I was breaking in a new #1 draft pick at QB I don't think I'd want the addition stress of having cameras all around.  I'd want camp to be as normal as possible so he he could get settled n and start forming his 'becoming a pro' routines without the distraction.

OK, we've now moved into drama queen territory.  I am so over him.  His Hamlet act is just abusing the Giants' desire to look like good guys.  Kelce just dated Taylor Swift, Waller has turned into Taylor Swift.

His Nabers eval starts at 6:06.

Thank goodness there was video, which seemed to undermine the cop's claims.  And there is supposed to be additional video that will be released. 

Athletic prowess is a good and valuable thing, but it's not the same as talent.  I wonder if they had RAS in his day how Jerry Rice would have scored.

Hopefully Carmen Bricillo

Quote from: FL GMAN on May 28, 2024, 06:24:34 PMI rarely post but I have to ask, don't you get tired of the endless Jones bash and Devito
coronation.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 24, 2024, 02:09:08 PMThere isn't a soul here who doesn't want Neal to succeed (and I understand that you weren't saying otherwise). I think where fans might differ from one another is on the subject of how much rope to give him if he is bad early in the upcoming season.

If it were your decision, how long would you be willing to tolerate more bad play from him before making a change, knowing you have Eleumenor right there and that Eleumenor has already played RT at a demonstrably solid level for an NFL team over a meaningful sample size?

That's the thing, it's not my decision and I am unqualified to make that decision.  I just think that we, the fans, don't know anywhere near enough to judge whether his lack of success is due to him or the difficult situation he came into, having a bad coach and having to switch sides exacerbated by injury.  Hopefully the coaches do know enough, and I'm going to buy their judgement over fans on a fan forum - even fans on the best informed Giants' board.

We've seen the horrific stats about the amount of time DJ has had to throw before pressured or sacked, and I wonder if anyone can find those stats for his rookie year. 

For the hell of it I just watched a video of his rookie highlights and while granting they were highlights he was doing a lot of things that he supposedly now can't do - throwing the ball down the field, throwing guys open, putting the ball into tight spots, hitting guys in stride so they could get YAC, etc.  But I also noticed that his protection seemed to hold up better than it did in 2023, which seems to have been a tipping point. 

So I wonder if he really did have more time in the pocket in his rookie year or if that impression was just an artifact of watching a highlight video.  I do know that his rookie OL gave up just over half the number of sacks than the 2023 OL but I'd really like to compare those 'time to pressure' stats if anyone has them.

BTW, watching that video reminded me of what a beast Golden Tate was in getting YAC.  And how good Sterling Sharpe was back then.