Big Blue Huddle

I was in kindergarten, we were outside for a fire drill and the teacher told us. I knew the president's name before that day. The only other memory was that it was on TV all weekend.

I know I'm quoting you, but my main motive is to point out to all others that this is poorly researched.

I just feel it's a terrible article. The survey was taken in 2023. The turf was replaced before this season. Are they, or do those 2 players, that feel the turf sucks, talking about the new turf which only a handful of teams have played on, or the older one that was here the past few years? I'm sorry, I just don't find this creditable. No date, anonymous sources, did all the players surveyed play in the NFC east? Was it done with the same number of players from each team?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 21, 2023, 01:00:15 PMIt's 85 players selected from around the league. Not just the Jets and the Giants.

The only questions were "what is the best stadium to play in?" and "what is the worst stadium to play in?"

Arrowhead rated as the best. Met Life rated as the worst (by far). I gave the only commentary from players on our stadium that the article provides.

I provided the link to the article if you want more detail than that. The purpose of the post was just to show that a decent sample size of NFL players selected from the 32 teams believe Met Life is the worst place to play. I don't personally consider that a surprise, but I thought it was noteworthy that it was confirmed by a recent poll.

A sample of whom? Are there the same number of representatives from each team? How many for the Giants/Jets stadium? Rams/Chargers? Are the players allowed to include their own team's home stadium? A player evaluating a stadium based on noise level would likely give his home stadium a good vote and an opponent's a poor rating. A player here and another there stating just his opinion is hardly accurate. Sorry, I guessed I got sucked in by the headline and was disappointed by the quality of it.

It would be nice to know what all the questions were and if the players polled were opponents or home team players.

I hate Dallas, always have, always will. Nothing more.

I don't mind holding being called when it affects the play, but when it's called across the field from a run and has no bearing on the play, it sucks. A lot of the minor motion, lining up in the neutral zone and some of the illegal formation calls help drag the game down.

I'd also like to see each team get a pass on 2 delay of game penalties if under 2 seconds in each game.

This is great, but how is he against the run?

It took almost 15 years to replace Tarkenton. Simms didn't become the regular starter until '84.

Great to get a win, no ifs, ands or buts. It's been a long season.

Quote from: kartanoman on November 19, 2023, 01:01:36 PMThat was the biggest step of all (i.e. letting Young build the front office and run the show as it needed to be run).

Getting both sides to agree to Young was Rozelle's significant accomplishment as arbitrator between Timothy J. Mara (i.e. the late Jack Mara's son) and Wellington Mara. The former wanted George Allen while the latter wanted Jan Van Duser from the NFL League Offices. Ultimately, Young became their man and the saga drew to a close. But the damage had been done and the two owners never spoke to each other. They used Young as a go-between. To Young's credit, he made the arrangement work without letting it impact the football operation and, over the course of the next 11 seasons, the Giants won their first two Super Bowls under Bill Parcells. By then, Timothy, along with his mom and sister, were ready to sell their half of ownership and did so to Preston Robert Tisch in 1991. He moved to Florida and invested his time in charitable events before Hodgkins Disease claimed his life in 1995.

It is unclear if Wellington and Timothy attempted to rekindle their relationship after the latter sold his part. Some sources suggest they got together, talked about the old days of football, both the good and the bad. Following Timothy's passing, Wellington went to pay his respects but did not answer any questions regarding their past and simply asked that they respect this private family matter. In the end, Mara loyalty never swayed; once a Giant, always a Giant.

Peace!

It didn't matter who each one wanted. Tim didn't want just a different GM or coach, he didn't want to continue with the new GM just being a Yes man to Wellington like Robustelli was. Dan Reeves was flown in for a secret interview with Wellington and basically promised him the HC job. Tim called Dallas and told him the job wasn't his. Tom Landry called Well and told him Reeves would make a great coach, but to stop jerking him around until they got their xxxx together. There were many others. Well wanted Robustelli to stay another year, Terry Bledsoe, and many others. Tim said they would just be business as usual. Tim was suggesting names he knew his uncle would reject. It wasn't important for his man to be chosen, it was to get the team to have a new way of doing business. George Young was hired AFTER Tim and Well and Rozelle agreed for Well to step back. Part of the agreement was that Wellington's "do nothing friends" like Jim Lee Howell and Ray Walsh could keep their jobs. Young had to work with them and others. The announcement as to how they agreed to Young was just PR so both owners could save face.

Years later, with Tim gone, Wellington pushed Reeves on Young. This was the beginning of the Well side dragging them back down.

Quote from: Woody on November 19, 2023, 12:34:11 PMI agree.  Mara's have been guilty of preventing the Giants from adapting and growing with the league for years...always seem to be five years behind with coaching hires and Gms ....always making conservative decisions with all football operations...they like to be perceived by all as NFL legends in their own mind....but in reality survive as owners because they are in the largest market for tv , fans etc. Look at this years schedule....one good year making playoffs and the NFL marketing / schedulers couldn't wait to get them back in prime time games....too many in my opinion. 
And Mara obsession with Ronnie Barnes is an example of their stubbornness to adapt to todays game.


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Great way of looking at it. George Young brought them up to date his first 9 or 10 years, but by the very early 90's he fell behind. Ernie Accorsi started to bring them back up to date, Jerry Reese and beyond didn't just watch the the league move on, they fell further back by regressing to old habits.

Quote from: beaugestus on November 19, 2023, 04:33:14 AMWhat page??

https://www.facebook.com/groups/625241855235749

Quote from: katkavage on November 18, 2023, 12:58:21 PMI appreciate the Super Bowls. As I appreciate the intervention by Pete Rozelle to help right a floundering franchise by forcing George Young on the Maras.

Pete Rozelle did not force George Young on the Giants. Rozelle reluctantly got involved after being persuaded by Art Model and Art Rooney. After Rozelle got Wellington to allow the next GM to work without his interference, the first 2 names Rozelle suggested turned down interviews. George Young was the 3rd name. There weren't many candidates left in February 1979. The most important thing Rozelle did was getting Wellington to agree to step back.

Quote from: kartanoman on November 17, 2023, 08:06:05 PMWithout 1978, there wouldn't have been a George Young, Ray Perkins or Phil Simms.

Without 1980, there wouldn't have been a Lawrence Taylor.

Without Joe Danelo hitting the upright in overtime in the 1981 season finale against Dallas, he'd never get the opportunity to leap into Scott Brunner's arms after converting a second game winning attempt following Byron Hunt's interception of Danny White, and the Giants ending the 18-Year Rebuilding Plan with their admission into the NFC Wild Card Playoff Round.

Without 1982, there wouldn't have been a Bill Parcells as Head Coach.

Without 1983, there wouldn't have been a Carl Banks (or possibly William Roberts).

Without 1984, there wouldn't have been second chances for both Bill Parcells and Phil Simms, along with a magnificent defense in the making, to help the Giants rise like a Phoenix from the ashes, into a title contender.

Without Sean Landeta's infamous "Ole Miss" in Soldier Field, Chicago, to punctuate a frustrating Divisional Playoff loss to the Bears in 1985, he never would have gotten the chance to redeem himself a year later in his wind-swept Giants Stadium with, arguably, the greatest punt ever in the old Giants Stadium by launching a boomer through the wind and landing it on the Redskins' five-yard line to set the defense up for the kill and the 17-0 NFC Championship victory.

Without Wellington Mara, we probably wouldn't have had 20 years of lousy football. 1964-1983

Quote from: kartanoman on November 17, 2023, 08:06:05 PMWithout the pain and suffering from that one play in 1978, the moment which came to underscore the futility of this organization like no other, with us stunned as Herman Edwards jumped for joy in the end zone as the entire Eagle bench cleared to join him there, without that moment, the nadir of this experience we have as Giants fans, in no way possible could we have felt the infinite joy and ecstacy when the clock hit 0:00 in Pasadena, CA on January 25, 1987, Bill Parcells being lifted onto the shoulders of his "Suburbanities," while John Madden proclaimed, "This is as good as it gets; it doesn't get any better than this; and the best part, it lasts forever." We can romanticize the whole thing now, because that moment in Super Bowl XXI made going through all the despair and seeming hopelessness all worth it in the end. Some way, somehow, I hope Schoen and Daboll will get that opportunity to experience the same thing. So, let them pay their dues today. I'll be there on Sunday moaning and groaning with the rest of you; however, we'll all be there, some day, somehow, when it all translates into something worth going through all of this when it's all said and done. We can look back and laugh at the days of conspiracies while embracing our champions.

Without Tim Mara, Wellington probably would've continued running the team into the ground into the 1990's and we wouldn't have had the great teams of the Parcells era.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 17, 2023, 02:34:21 PMMara is guilty of holding on to Eli for too long and believing DJ was something more than he demonstrated over 8 years. If the latter constitutes a conspiracy, a lot of posters here should be investigated too. Otherwise, Larry perfectly articulated my own sentiments. 

I'll conclude by stating I'm glad the Maras own my favorite football team; they're a classy family.

The Mara's have hurt this team greatly since I've been following the them. While Wellington may have been a top talent evaluator in the '40's and 50's, the game passed him by in the 60's and he never came back. His drafts, which he was solely responsible for, were worse than horrible after 1956. His nephew Tim tried to get Andy Robustelli to run the team in the 70's, but Wellington's interference kept them down. After the league stepped in after the '78 season, Wellington agreed to let the new GM run the team without interference. He allowed George Young to run the team and they were finally successful.
He became too friendly with Young and in the early days of free agency did nothing as it became apparent the game passed Young by. After Young finally stepped down, Wellington and John began meddling with Ernie Accorsi. They pushed Tom Coughlin on him. John was heavily involved with the changing of Caughlin's coordinators, namely Ben McAdoo. Later, he narrow-mindedly pushed Jerry Reese to promote McAdoo to head coach.  John hired Dave Gettleman, again narrow-mindedly. I'm sure he was behind drafting Barkley because he felt Barkley could help Eli Manning. I could go on.
Old man Tim Mara built the team from scratch. Wellington almost destroyed it. Nephew Tim fought and saved it, now John is destroying it again.  I have no love for the Mara's. I wish they'd sell the team.

I have no doubt John Mara is still interfering with GM and personal decisions.