Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 02:15:39 PMI did get a chuckle...you know I respect and appreciate what you do! We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 02:15:39 PMI did get a chuckle...you know I respect and appreciate what you do! We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 02:03:27 PMTim,
Can I ask you a few questions, which I hope will better articulate my point?
1. Do yo believe the Giants have an extensive marketing department?
2. Do you believe the Giants conducted research pertaining to the players the fanbase was most excited about, which coupled with thier internal data (e.g. jersey sales, media request, etc) allowed them to glean who thier most marketable players are?
3. If you believe 2 occurred, isn't it logical to place the players that polled/rated the highest on the marquee?
Also, to Ed's point, the Giants would look foolish to promote DJ, only to go in a different direction early in the season.
From my perspective, I just have a hard time believing a multi-billion dollar organization randomly chose three players to promote without doing extensive research.
Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 02:03:27 PMTim,No.
Can I ask you a few questions, which I hope will better articulate my point?
1. Do yo believe the Giants have an extensive marketing department?
2. Do you believe the Giants conducted research pertaining to the players the fanbase was most excited about, which coupled with thier internal data (e.g. jersey sales, media request, etc) allowed them to glean who thier most marketable players are?
3. If you believe 2 occurred, isn't it logical to place the players that polled/rated the highest on the marquee?
Also, to Ed's point, the Giants would look foolish to promote DJ, only to go in a different direction early in the season.
From my perspective, I just have a hard time believing a multi-billion dollar organization randomly chose three players to promote without doing extensive research.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 15, 2024, 02:06:36 PMWell, that same marketing department thought it was a good idea to give fans a soda for fan appreciation day, so there's that.
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 15, 2024, 01:59:15 PMThey don't know who the starting QB will be.That's a *little* more plausibe. Little.
Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 01:34:21 PMI hear you, Tim, but the data simply doesn't support your sentiments; 6 of the top 10 most valuable franchise have stunk for 3 or more years...5 of the 6 have stunk for more than a decade; The Bill, Lions and Bengals are #30, 31 and 32. It's fairly clear winning has absolutely nothing to do with profitability. Concerning the PSL, the Giants could care less who buys thier tickets. The NFL ticket exchange ensures they get a cut of ticket sales from all third party vendors. So, while some fans elected to forgo thier PSL(s), other fans have stepped in to purchase them, if solely for the purpose of reselling thier tickets via said exchange to make a profit.Sorry, still don't buy that this flyer without Jones will generate more revenue, since you say that's the bottom line, than it would with him.
More to the point, the Giants marketing department does not care about throwing players a bone or winning games; their job is to sell tickets. It really is that simple, my friend. I believe some fans conflate the entertainment side of the business with football operations; they're two separate things...
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Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 01:11:15 PMTim,I get your point. I just don't agree with it.
The Giants are in the entertainment sector; their job is to generate buzz for the sole purpose of selling tickets and/or merchandise. I'm not entirely sure what rewarding players via a spot on a flyer has to do with those efforts. The Giants are a multi-billion dollar privately owned business, with an extensive marketing department. I'm sure thier research discovered fans are excited about WDR protentional; thus, they chose to promote him over more well established players. Fundamentally, a football organization #1 goal is to generate profit, vice winning games. The flyer is concerned with the former and not the latter.
Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 12:29:50 PMTo be fair, DJ is just not marquee player. The Giants are in the entertainment business and need to promote players that will actually sell tickets and/or merchandise.I like WDR and hope he has his breakout season. But... what has he done to this point to warrant being on the flyer?
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 15, 2024, 11:29:28 AMIt's not his fault. Blame all the DJ Hate out there.Blame the person who created the flyer and blame the person who approved it.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 12, 2024, 09:33:44 AMI wouldn't think you would consider this a Daniel Jones issue because Bellinger shined with DJ as QB in 2022. That was until he sustained a serious eye injury. Bellinger never was the same when he returned from that injury in 2022 and didn't regain his rookie magic in 2023I wonder if the damage was mental as well as physical. Could he be playing scared?
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 12, 2024, 07:51:32 AMImagine finding a way to take a shot at Daniel Jones when you are writing an article entitled:I don't see it as hate and/or crapping on Jones.
Ten traded players who will have biggest impact on 2024 NFL season
Rank 4
Brian Burns
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TRADED BY: Carolina Panthers
TRADED FOR: 2024 second- and fifth-round picks, 2025 conditional fifth-round pick (with Carolina receiving a 2024 fifth-round pick)
I thought about slotting Burns at the top of this list, and maybe I should have. Of everyone in my top 10, he seems like the safest lock to play like a star for his new team in 2024. Unlike Allen and Diggs, the 26-year-old is still squarely in his prime, and unlike Jeudy, he's a proven entity with a high floor. Burns has had a double-digit pressure rate every year of his career, per Next Gen Stats, and he should team with Kayvon Thibodeaux to boost a defense that finished 30th in pressure rate last season. The problem is, I could see Burns wrecking opponents this season and the Giants still stumbling because of offensive limitations. So, perhaps unfairly, he lands here, capped, in a way, by the lingering uncertainty around what Daniel Jones will bring to the table.
https://www.nfl.com/news/ten-traded-players-who-will-have-biggest-impact-on-2024-nfl-season
There are legitimate criticisms and concerns about Daniel Jones, and then there is an unhealthy obsession with seeking ways to put the man down. The remarkable part is from everything we have seen of the man, he doesn't deserve the hate. The man is among the hardest working (hardest luck) players in the NFL. Yet there is this obsession with crapping all over him
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 10, 2024, 01:23:18 PMI hope there was no betting in that weight loss competition.We'll find out when we see the iced-out necklace!
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 08, 2024, 10:40:30 AMTim,I understand your point, Rich.
When the Giants drafted Engram in round one, Reese talked about how he was going to be nearly impossible to cover with that 4.42 speed. Yet, if you look at NFL's Next Gen stats, while Engram is the fastest (or top 3), his separation yardage puts him around 10th among NFL TEs.
That was my issue. Engram was always undersized, and his hands were suspect, but we were sold on the idea that LBs and Safeties (who usually cover TEs) would never stand a chance against him (because of that 4.42 speed).
Here is a link to Next Gen Stats if you are interested.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving/2021/REG/all#average-separation