Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 23, 2022, 12:10:47 PMThat's way too much to pay a game manager even a really good one.  Problem is and I saw this somewhere the other day is that when it comes to QB's salaries post rookie contract there really isn't a middle ground for their salaries.  There are the $30+ million salaries that make up the top 10+ and the rest are $15 million and below.

That's the problem right there, I don't think Jones is a superstar but I don't think he's garbage either. I think he's ok but not for 20 or 30 million a year. Tannehill got a 4yr 118 million and because of that aav of 29 million a year coupled with Henry's contract, those two single handedly handicapped the Titans. We got Adoree because of that, and the Eagles got AJ Brown, they lost most of their home grown talent on defense and offense because of a contract for a great RB and decent QB.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 23, 2022, 12:33:35 PMThat's the problem right there, I don't think Jones is a superstar but I don't think he's garbage either. I think he's ok but not for 20 or 30 million a year. Tannehill got a 4yr 118 million and because of that aav of 29 million a year coupled with Henry's contract, those two single handedly handicapped the Titans. We got Adoree because of that, and the Eagles got AJ Brown, they lost most of their home grown talent on defense and offense because of a contract for a great RB and decent QB.

Can 2 people single handedly do something?  LOL

Just teasing.

Lets look at it from a different perspective. Whatever your thoughts are on DJ, the overwhelming majority of the local media (many of whom are quite tuned in) has been increasingly all saying the same thing. Expect DJ back. This is not some hunch...its based on what they are hearing from inside the walls of Mara-tech.

So barring some DJ meltdown, serious injury, or huge impasse in negotiations, DJ is very, very likely the QB for next year and beyond.

Quote from: Blue Fire on December 23, 2022, 02:40:07 PMLets look at it from a different perspective. Whatever your thoughts are on DJ, the overwhelming majority of the local media (many of whom are quite tuned in) has been increasingly all saying the same thing. Expect DJ back. This is not some hunch...its based on what they are hearing from inside the walls of Mara-tech.

So barring some DJ meltdown, serious injury, or huge impasse in negotiations, DJ is very, very likely the QB for next year and beyond.

You lost me at media being well tuned in!

These flakes run with what they think gets them clicks!

We do not have an impressive lot of journalists (I use that term loosely) reporting on our Giants!

Quote from: Blue Fire on December 23, 2022, 02:40:07 PMLets look at it from a different perspective. Whatever your thoughts are on DJ, the overwhelming majority of the local media (many of whom are quite tuned in) has been increasingly all saying the same thing. Expect DJ back. This is not some hunch...its based on what they are hearing from inside the walls of Mara-tech.

So barring some DJ meltdown, serious injury, or huge impasse in negotiations, DJ is very, very likely the QB for next year and beyond.

What it is going off of the old Giants regime and how they used to operate and leak.  It ignores that John Mara is not running football operations anymore Joe Schoen is.  And just like it was thought that Thibodeaux wouldn't be on the Giants draft board this past spring the reality is no one has the inside to what this franchise is planning for especially when Schoen has given no indications in interviews that they've tried to negotiate with Jones's agent.

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 23, 2022, 02:45:32 PMYou lost me at media being well tuned in!

These flakes run with what they think gets them clicks!

We do not have an impressive lot of journalists (I use that term loosely) reporting on our Giants!

They all had contacts in the old regime run by the Mara cronies that are either no longer working for the Giants or are less influential than they used to be.

Personally, I find it astonishing, outrageous even, that a group of people who have zero NFL experience, either as a coach, executive, scout, or player, and (barring perhaps one or two exceptions) have never played serious college football even, think they are more knowledgeable about this sport or a specific player than a Hall of Fame TE who won three Super Bowls, was a first team all pro four times, and spent a number of years practicing and playing with one of the ten greatest QBs ever to play this game (John Elway).

For some random dude sitting at home or at work in front of his computer who has never sniffed an NFL paycheck to refer to Shannon Sharpe as a "shock-jock", and for others here to deny that he's an expert on this sport (or imply as much), simply because what he had to say doesn't happen to suit their agendas, shows how far some are willing to go to defend their views and besmirch others whom they have absolutely no business doing that to and look ridiculous while doing it.

It is especially hard to fathom considering a lot of these same people post random tweets and articles written by some random nobody with zero professional football credentials just because the content is attempting to pump a certain player up that they want to see pumped up.

Pretty wild and crazy stuff if you ask me. But hey, the truth is that nothing really surprises me that much anymore these days.

Believe what you will. I am placing DJs return at like 80-85% (barring some unforeseen circumstance as mentioned above)

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 23, 2022, 03:00:52 PMPersonally, I find it astonishing, outrageous even, that a group of people who have zero NFL experience, either as a coach, executive, scout, or player, and (barring perhaps one or two exceptions) have never played serious college football even, think they are more knowledgeable about this sport or a specific player than a Hall of Fame TE who won three Super Bowls, was a first team all pro four times, and spent a number of years practicing and playing with one of the ten greatest QBs ever to play this game (John Elway).

For some random dude sitting at home or at work in front of his computer who has never sniffed an NFL paycheck to refer to Shannon Sharpe as a "shock-jock", and for others here to deny that he's an expert on this sport (or imply as much), simply because what he had to say doesn't happen to suit their agendas, shows how far some are willing to go to defend their views and besmirch others whom they have absolutely no business doing that to and look ridiculous while doing it.

It is especially hard to fathom considering a lot of these same people post random tweets and articles written by some random nobody with zero professional football credentials just because the content is attempting to pump a certain player up that they want to see pumped up.

Pretty wild and crazy stuff if you ask me. But hey, the truth is that nothing really surprises me that much anymore these days.

This! Well said DB

Although I would not label him as an "expert", I would like to think someone who is aware of things going on league wide, with a resume like his as a player and on screen analyst (or whatever his position is called now), and who has many great personal connections and friendships with many players, coaches, and people in the league, both past AND PRESENT, would have more credibility than random reporters chasing clicks, views, and subscriptions.

This has no connection to the post I shared, that was what it is, a quote. But I damn sure take those type of people over some of the sources used here to try to "prove people wrong", expert or not.

Especially when something shared and expressed as fact, clearly shows an opinion. Posts starting with "to me" and ending in "idk" is not a fact, it is lame attempt to stir up controversy.

Quote from: Blue Fire on December 23, 2022, 03:18:31 PMBelieve what you will. I am placing DJs return at like 80-85% (barring some unforeseen circumstance as mentioned above)

And quite frankly no one cares, it is all BS!!!!!!! You do not know any better than we do. Regardless of what we think or don't think, regardless of what we agree on or disagree on. WE. ALL. KNOW. NOTHING.

It is either 0% or 100%, only Joe and Dabs know which it is, and we will find out soon enough.

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on December 23, 2022, 03:23:41 PMAnd quite frankly no one cares, it is all BS!!!!!!! You do not know any better than we do. Regardless of what we think or don't think, regardless of what we agree on or disagree on. WE. ALL. KNOW. NOTHING.

It is either 0% or 100%, only Joe and Dabs know which it is, and we will find out soon enough.

Exactly!!!

It's pulling numbers out of thin air and no statistical way to back it up!

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Quote from: Blue Fire on December 23, 2022, 03:18:31 PMBelieve what you will. I am placing DJs return at like 80-85% (barring some unforeseen circumstance as mentioned above)

This isn't rocket science; the Giants may be forced to offer DJ a limited contract, transition, or franchise tag him. This has little to do with their confidence in him as a player; instead, it's a byproduct of a weak 2022 QB draft class, and their relative 2023 draft position. In short, DJ may be forced upon them for another year or two.  I suspect a transition tag myself.  Yet, I haven't seen a single report that indicates the Giants willingness ti offer a five year, 100+ Million dollar contract. There's a big difference between the two paradigms. You're acting like the media reports indicate the Giants are ready to hand him a franchise type deal, which simply isn't true.

Quote from: Blue Fire on December 23, 2022, 03:18:31 PMBelieve what you will. I am placing DJs return at like 80-85% (barring some unforeseen circumstance as mentioned above)

When you make a prediction the exact opposite tends to happen. So keep making them.

I know we're not creating more Daniel Jones threads (which I am fully supportive of), so I'll ask this question here:


Very simply, where do you most closely fit in to these three categories regarding Daniel Jones' future on the Giants?


A. I want Jones back, period. I am in favor of paying whatever it takes to keep him here, and I want him to be here long term. I view him as a franchise QB. He is the guy.

B. I would be happy to have Jones back, but only up to a certain price, and I only want to be committed for a relatively small number of years.

C. I don't want Jones back next year, period. It's time to move in another direction.

I expect many who respond to classify themselves in the "B" group. If so, can you please clearly indicate what your absolute limit would be, both in terms of AAV and in terms of total years of the contract?

I think we have a lot of back and forth on Jones and a lot of arguing. There is a lot of noise. With Jones' fourth year just about over (as far as the regular season), how about folks put down on paper where they actually stand in terms of what THEY want regarding his future? And not just trying to predict what actually WILL happen. What would you actually like to see happen?

Thanks.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 23, 2022, 04:58:41 PMI know we're not creating more Daniel Jones threads (which I am fully supportive of), so I'll ask this question here:


Very simply, where do you most closely fit in to these three categories regarding Daniel Jones' future on the Giants?


A. I want Jones back, period. I am in favor of paying whatever it takes to keep him here, and I want him to be here long term. I view him as a franchise QB. He is the guy.

B. I would be happy to have Jones back, but only up to a certain price, and I only want to be committed for a relatively small number of years.

C. I don't want Jones back next year, period. It's time to move in another direction.

I expect many who respond to classify themselves in the "B" group. If so, can you please clearly indicate what your absolute limit would be, both in terms of AAV and in terms of total years of the contract?

I think we have a lot of back and forth on Jones and a lot of arguing. There is a lot of noise. With Jones' fourth year just about over (as far as the regular season), how about folks put down on paper where they actually stand in terms of what THEY want regarding his future? And not just trying to predict what actually WILL happen. What would you actually like to see happen?

Thanks.

Dave

Sorry but I have to answer D.

D) being I'll entrust JS to make the right call and do what right by the Giants and their fans.  Whichever the decision may be.

I say this cause it doesn't fit into any of your 3 choices.

Idc at this point what he gets paid.  If JS decides to spend on him, he then has to find a way to make this team win and get to the big game or he has failed.

He knows this!  He is not stupid!  So if he is going to spend on Jones he must have a plan.

If he doesn't sign Jones and he goes elsewhere I'll hope he is right, hope Jones doesn't take another team to the promised land and hope that whatever QB JS gets can get us there.

This is where I am at!

I get it, it's a lot of hope but after a decade of defeat I gotta hang onto something

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 23, 2022, 05:08:03 PMDave

Sorry but I have to answer D.

D) being I'll entrust JS to make the right call and do what right by the Giants and their fans.  Whichever the decision may be.

I say this cause it doesn't fit into any of your 3 choices.

Idc at this point what he gets paid.  If JS decides to spend on him, he then has to find a way to make this team win and get to the big game or he has failed.

He knows this!  He is not stupid!  So if he is going to spend on Jones he must have a plan.

If he doesn't sign Jones and he goes elsewhere I'll hope he is right, hope Jones doesn't take another team to the promised land and hope that whatever QB JS gets can get us there.

This is where I am at!

I get it, it's a lot of hope but after a decade of defeat I gotta hang onto something

Ok, if you're agnostic on the money side of things, I get that.

How about this: Do you want him back, or not?