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Quote from: Trench on January 23, 2023, 10:25:34 AMHe isn't as good as Goff or Prescott and shouldn't be paid Stafford money either

I honestly don't believe there is much of a difference in ability from Jones to Dak.  Which is why I am hoping the Giants don't make the same mistake that Dallas did with Dak.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 23, 2023, 10:36:11 AMor we could be like the 49ers and build a proper team from the inside out and have an offensive wizard for A HC then it doesn't matter who your QB is.

I think they have the QB in Jones. Now they need to build up those lines.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2023/01/22/2022-nfl-playoffs-daniel-jones-brian-daboll-giants-eagles/

Article on this writers perception of Jones post Eagles game.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 23, 2023, 10:57:35 AMhttps://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2023/01/22/2022-nfl-playoffs-daniel-jones-brian-daboll-giants-eagles/

Article on this writers perception of Jones post Eagles game.

This stuck out to me:

Daboll was asked specifically whether he saw Jones as the (or a) quarterback of the future.

"All these conversations, we are going to have those. We have a long offseason. There is a time and place to have all those conversations and tonight is not it."

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2023, 10:21:15 AMJones played well this season and he did so with a mediocre line, a collection of castoff WRs, and a rookie TE who missed games due to injury.   It doesn't appear the Jones needs more support than other franchise QBs.

But he needs more support than the Giants can provide for him if they are paying him 35-40 million, and 12-14 million for Saquon, and re-signing Dex and AT in the next year or so.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 23, 2023, 10:31:49 AMHypothetical:

If you could get the 4th overall pick plus some conditional picks for Jones would you trade him?

Because a ton of teams need a QB and someone has to he willing to trade a significant sum, so why wouldn't we do that to propel our rebuild and then have faith in Daboll/Kafka to find a replacement to produce a similar stat line.

I like the idea in concept, but you can't trade a guy that's not under contract.  Much as I love Jones the player, recent events show that the roster still has to be rebuilt almost from top to bottom, and I just don't see them being able to do that if they are paying Jones 35-40 million or more.  Nor paying Barkley 12-14 million.

Here's something to think over. Webb had a better game than Jones against the same team with backups. Can Webb and TT hold down the fort? Can the Giants produce a solid run game without SB? Webb, Breida and Brightwell had 129 yards rushing.

I still believe Daboll's decision to sit his starters in week 18 ultimately hurt his team's progress but it's interesting how comparisons can be made from it. Very interesting.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on January 23, 2023, 11:20:11 AMI like the idea in concept, but you can't trade a guy that's not under contract.  Much as I love Jones the player, recent events show that the roster still has to be rebuilt almost from top to bottom, and I just don't see them being able to do that if they are paying Jones 35-40 million or more.  Nor paying Barkley 12-14 million.

I agree earlier in the thread I had mentioned tag and trade and was expanding on that but you're right. I just don't know how you can build a team paying both of them.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 23, 2023, 11:23:18 AMHere's something to think over. Webb had a better game than Jones against the same team with backups. Can Webb and TT hold down the fort? Can the Giants produce a solid run game without SB? Webb, Breida and Brightwell had 129 yards rushing.

I still believe Daboll's decision to sit his starters in week 18 ultimately hurt his team's progress but it's interesting how comparisons can be made from it. Very interesting.

I know most won't like it but I'd prefer them go into the season with Webb, TT, and maybe a Brissett or whoever you can sign as competition and then let Barkley go or tag him for a year and draft a RB with the extra 3rd. I think it's the only way we can build a functional team. If we retain Jones and Barkley we'll be a fringe 8-9 win team every season and won't be able to actually building a long term roster. Think of the powerhouse teams right now, they either already had the team built and got their QB or had a QB on a rookie deal as they built the team.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 23, 2023, 11:49:05 AMI agree earlier in the thread I had mentioned tag and trade and was expanding on that but you're right. I just don't know how you can build a team paying both of them.

Ah, I missed the tag and trade angle.  But I doubt they get anything close to a #4 overall pick on a tag and trade because the acquiring team is going to have to sign him for significant money, or just look at it as a one year rental.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 23, 2023, 11:23:18 AMHere's something to think over. Webb had a better game than Jones against the same team with backups. Can Webb and TT hold down the fort? Can the Giants produce a solid run game without SB? Webb, Breida and Brightwell had 129 yards rushing.

I still believe Daboll's decision to sit his starters in week 18 ultimately hurt his team's progress but it's interesting how comparisons can be made from it. Very interesting.

Webb? No. Not a chance in hell. He's got moxie but that doesn't win championships without enough talent. He'd be nothing more than a place holder.

And if we're going with a place holder, I'd rather go with Taylor than Webb. Taylor will be cheaper than Jones.

If they decide to go without Jones, I'm good with them having a place holder if they're targeting a QB in the '24 draft.

It will be interesting to compare the proposals that have been made on this thread with what the Giants eventually do.  I believe the Giants will be signing Daniel Jones to a long-term contract.  I would be moderately surprised if they have him play on the tag.  I would be very surprised if the Giants let Jones walk or if they tag and trade him.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on January 23, 2023, 11:13:02 AMBut he needs more support than the Giants can provide for him if they are paying him 35-40 million, and 12-14 million for Saquon, and re-signing Dex and AT in the next year or so.

If they can't afford the upgrades under that plan, I would think Barkley would be the first part they would let go.

Quote from: T200 on January 23, 2023, 10:34:41 AMYou're spot on here. However, the village Ed is referring to still needs better 'villagers' as we witnessed Saturday night.

The other franchise QBs have better protection up front and a #1 WR. Jones still needs those.

Seeing how Schoen solves the number one WR issue will be interesting.   Both the draft and the free agency WR classes are not what anyone would call "strong."

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