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#1
First I was intrigued by this story Matt Waldman told about Lock

Quote"I remember evaluating him [Lock] and saying he looked like a kid who's very talented who at some point in his during his high school career and college career he was probably told by outside quarterback coaches, by coaches in his program things that he could work on to become the best quarterback he could be and get more ready for the NFL. When he came to the league Payton Manning called him up and said anything I can do for you, you let me know. It's easy for me to say as a 54-year-old man in hindsight what I would have liked to have done if I were able to be in Drew Lock's situation at that point because I probably would have said with the wisdom I have now, which is unfair to Drew, but would have been 'can I live in your garage, do chores for you, whatever I need to do and basically spend as much time as possible reviewing film with you and having you reviewing my game and you showing me what conceptually I need to get better at and work and how to work at my craft technically and conceptually to get better.' But from what I was told is that he said thanks and didn't call him back.

"Then, three years later when Teddy Bridgewater was brought to town to compete for his job with him that's when he called Payton Manning."

As it turned out, Lock's father confirmed the accuracy of Waldman's initial collegiate scouting report on Lock.

"His dad told a sideline reporter, I love my son he's a great kid he's a good guy but we've been telling him for years here are little details you need to work on, here are things that you need to get better at when you get to the NFL this is going to be different and he just smiled and nodded, but he didn't work at those things and it's kind of catching up to him. You can see in Seattle when he had some nice games, you kind of get the impression that it's kind of clicked in his head that, oh yeah maybe this is how I need to work. Doesn't make him a bad kid, doesn't make him a bad player, it just means that he had to get better at his job and maybe didn't know how, and maybe it didn't register what was being told to him because it's easy for people to tell you the NFL is a lot tougher.

"I share that because the important point of this is that a lot of players go through this and the NFL doesn't support that well because they force players in immediately."

I went back and studied Lock's scouting reports coming out of college.  He has a strong arm and excelled at the deep ball (his shorter throws less so).  He was compared to Matt Stafford.  Lock has arm talent, but his mechanics are inconsistent, and he has some questionable.

I studied his stats (not particularly impressive).  I read up on his days with the Broncos.  Most faulted Lock as well as the Broncos (for failing to support him or playing to his strengths).

I looked at Lock's stats in Seattle (admittedly a bit of a limited data set with 2 full games and two part games) and compared that to Geno Smith-  Lock's stats were lower than Smith's)

Daboll has a reputation of a reputation for being a bit of a QB whisperer.   Combine that with Lock seeming to understand what it takes to be an NFL QB (he should as he turns 28 in November) there is a chance he could reach the ceiling (a good starter) with the Giants.   A lot will hinge on Lock and his ability to improve his mechanics and decision-making (his TD-to-INT ratio is less than ideal).

I think if Lock is pressed into starter duty there is maybe a 10% chance he could be the next Geno Smith or Goff who finds his groove with a team other than the one that drafted him.

If you are interested in learning more about him, here's a good breakdown by Nick Falato





Link to the Waldman quote

https://www.bigblueview.com/2024/4/5/24121878/nfl-draft-matt-waldman-on-the-2024-qb-class-the-development-fallacy-and-much-more#:~:text=%E2%80%9CI%20remember%20evaluating%20him%20%5BLock,he%20could%20be%20and%20get
#4
A tip of my cap to @londonblue

The man has become a salary cap guru.  He knows what he is talking about better than anyone in the media not working for one of the two salary cap websites.

Everything he said is spot-on correct.
#6
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 01, 2024, 06:00:49 PM"It's not personal, it's business."

and @Jclayton92


The NFL Players Association told the Denver Broncos in a November letter that their threat to bench quarterback Russell Wilson if he refused to alter an injury guarantee in his contract was illegal, violated the CBA and could result in legal action against the team, a league source confirmed to The Athletic.

https://theathletic.com/5171778/2023/12/31/broncos-russell-wilson-nflpa/


The letter, sent by a law firm on behalf of the NFLPA and first reported by the Washington Post, said that if the Broncos "follow through on the Club's threat, the Club will violate, among other things, the Collective Bargaining Agreement, Mr. Wilson's Player Contract and New York law."

The letter added that Wilson and the NFLPA "reasonably anticipate arbitration and/or litigation against the Broncos."

The Broncos did not bench Wilson in the aftermath of the meeting about his contract. The 35-year-old veteran started the next seven games, the last of which was a 26-23 loss to the New England Patriots on Christmas Eve that put Denver's playoff hopes in peril.

On Wednesday, the team announced Stidham would start the final two games. Coach Sean Payton, who said Friday he was "not privy" to discussions about Wilson's contract between the quarterback and the team, said the decision was made solely for football reasons after a four-game stretch in which the Broncos went 1-3 and Wilson's play declined.
#7
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Giants sign veteran DB
May 01, 2024, 06:56:21 PM
#8
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Giants sign veteran DB
May 01, 2024, 06:45:33 PM
The #Giants signed DB David Long Jr.

26-year-old, 5'11, 196-pound CB w/ 96 career tackles, 6 PBUs, and 2 interceptions.

He entered the draft out of Michigan in 2019. He had a 98th-percentile 3-Cone (6.45 👀) and a 90th-percentile short-shuttle (3.97).

Long has 964 career snaps out wide and 275 inside at slot. He spent 2019-2022 with the Rams before bouncing around with the Raiders, Panthers, and Packers last season.

https://x.com/nickfalato/status/1785772809236459597?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
#9
Big Blue Huddle / Giants sign veteran DB
May 01, 2024, 05:43:36 PM
The New York Giants today signed free agent defensive back David Long Jr., who is entering his sixth season in the NFL.
Long, 5-11 and 196 pounds, was originally a third-round draft choice by the Rams in 2019. He spent his first four seasons with Los Angeles before playing for three teams (Raiders, Panthers, and Packers) in 2023.
Overall, Long has appeared in 66 regular-season games with 12 starts. His career numbers include 97 tackles, eight passes defensed, and an interception. He has also played in six postseason games with one start, which occurred in the Rams' victory over the Bengals in Super Bowl LVI.

https://www.giants.com/news/david-long-jr-defensive-back-los-angeles-rams-raiders-panthers-packers-nfl-free-agency

#10
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on May 01, 2024, 03:39:57 PMGettleman got outmaneuvered by Philly who moved up to take Devonta Smith and then couldn't pivot off the pre-planned approach (take a WR in the first round) to either of those two players you mentioned.

The irony is if Gettleman had just drafted Parsons (and assuming the Giants were able to manage Parsons as we as Dallas) or if DG grabbed Slater, no one would have ever talked about the Eagles outmaneuvering the Giants.

It was the outmaneuver combined with the terrible pick of Toney in the trade-down (along with squandering the first-round pick they got on Neal) that made things look so bad
#11
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 01, 2024, 03:47:56 PMThey did that with Wilson last year. Football is cut throat I think people are adult enough to realize that and accept it for what it is a shrewd buisness decision.

Didn't they sit Wilson rather than try and get him to waive his injury guarantee?
#12
I always look forward to these podcasts as Carl is a wealth of both football knowledge, and he is about as inside the building as an insider can get



Carl Banks and Bob Papa are back on the mic discussing the 2024 NFL Draft and its first-round pick, Malik Nabers. They dive into his potential impact on quarterback Daniel Jones and the rest of the offense. Carl highlights the team's strategic offseason moves, including addressing critical areas such as the defensive backfield, wide receivers, and offensive line and adding depth to the running back room. The episode concludes with some NY Rangers talk, LGR


#14
Quote from: Trench on May 01, 2024, 02:20:15 PMIt will be interesting to see if this new defense generates more pressure also

From what I have heard, Bowen prefers to try and generate his pressure from his front four, while Wink likes to generate it via blitzes and extra rushers.   So in theory we should see more production from the D-line and edge players
#15
Quote from: Trench on May 01, 2024, 12:59:22 PMRich,

I'm not very familiar with our new defensive system but my question is knowing what you know of it, do you think Boogie will be a good fit or a surprise this year?

I think Boogie might be a better fit in Bowen's defense in the 3-4 DE role.  Wink tended to sub out his DEs (for an edge, second DT, or another DB).  It's possible Boogie could be the DE (with Thibs or Burns being the other DE) and on obvious passing downs you have Burns and Thibs as the DEs