I am going to keep Jones out of this for now because DaveBrown has a topic on him. Let's face it - the seasons over. We aren't going anywhere. It's reality. We are not good at anything. So here's some things I'd like to see.
Trade the following players for whatever you can:
Barkley
Leonard Williams
Adoree Jackson
Maybe eat some cash and get a few mid round picks for them.
- move Neal to guard. The right tackle thing is done. He can't do it. I don't want to wait 3 years for the inevitable to happen. Maybe at guard - something will click. And besides - can it be any worse?
- try Simmons on the field at all times. Safety, LB, edge rusher. Who cares. See if his speed can do something.
- fire the Special teams coach yesterday.
- take play calling duties off Kafka.
- Start Hyatt and Robinson and play them 90% of the time and keep Slayton on the bench.
- Cut Campbell. He stinks.
Caleb Williams. That's what I want to see.
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 11:26:48 PM- take play calling duties off Kafka.
Does Daboll's job depend on it?
I think it does!
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 11:26:48 PMI am going to keep Jones out of this for now because DaveBrown has a topic on him. Let's face it - the seasons over. We aren't going anywhere. It's reality. We are not good at anything. So here's some things I'd like to see.
Trade the following players for whatever you can:
Barkley
Leonard Williams
Adoree Jackson
Maybe eat some cash and get a few mid round picks for them.
- move Neal to guard. The right tackle thing is done. He can't do it. I don't want to wait 3 years for the inevitable to happen. Maybe at guard - something will click. And besides - can it be any worse?
- try Simmons on the field at all times. Safety, LB, edge rusher. Who cares. See if his speed can do something.
- fire the Special teams coach yesterday.
- take play calling duties off Kafka.
- Start Hyatt and Robinson and play them 90% of the time and keep Slayton on the bench.
- Cut Campbell. He stinks.
I rarely quote posts, but these are all solid options. Especially if we loose next 2 games.
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 11:26:48 PMI am going to keep Jones out of this for now because DaveBrown has a topic on him. Let's face it - the seasons over. We aren't going anywhere. It's reality. We are not good at anything. So here's some things I'd like to see.
Trade the following players for whatever you can:
Barkley
Leonard Williams
Adoree Jackson
Maybe eat some cash and get a few mid round picks for them.
- move Neal to guard. The right tackle thing is done. He can't do it. I don't want to wait 3 years for the inevitable to happen. Maybe at guard - something will click. And besides - can it be any worse?
- try Simmons on the field at all times. Safety, LB, edge rusher. Who cares. See if his speed can do something.
- fire the Special teams coach yesterday.
- take play calling duties off Kafka.
- Start Hyatt and Robinson and play them 90% of the time and keep Slayton on the bench.
- Cut Campbell. He stinks.
I disagree with you alot but for much of what you said I can't put up an argument.
I need to know if the problem is Jones or not?!!...let the kid play - Devito. What ya got to lose
the golf course.
I won't bring up QB play in this thread but unless the Giants shock us all and start winning (not just playing better but WINNING), I want to see vets traded for draft capital. Adoree, Leo, Waller, McKinney, and Barkley should all be made available. We need to be in a position to potentially move up in the draft, even if we end up with something like the 7th pick. I'll leave it at that.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 11:49:44 PMI won't bring up QB play in this thread but unless the Giants shock us all and start winning (not just playing better but WINNING), I want to see vets traded for draft capital. Adoree, Leo, Waller, McKinney, and Barkley should all be made available. We need to be in a position to potentially move up in the draft, even if we end up with something like the 7th pick. I'll leave it at that.
I am reluctant to move up if we have a top 10 pick cause I believe we can still can get a QB in the top 10 and be ecstatic about. Unless we trade up to number 1 and get Williams.
Maye
Ewers
McCarthy
Leonard (I know another Duke QB)
We just need some much talent - we need all our picks
I'd like to start with a healthy Oline. Losing JMS hurt on top of Thomas. It's bad that there isn't a replacement for Neal. Between him and Ezeudu, the edges lived in the backfield.
Quote from: JT39 on October 02, 2023, 11:51:54 PMI am reluctant to move up if we have a top 10 pick cause I believe we can still can get a QB in the top 10 and be ecstatic about. Unless we trade up to number 1 and get Williams.
Maye
Ewers
McCarthy
Leonard (I know another Duke QB)
We just need some much talent - we need all our picks
In my humble opinion it's too early to get firm views on these QBs. We know the names but they aren't even halfway through their seasons.
More draft capital is not a bad thing if you're moving veterans you're not going to re-sign. Does anyone still want to hand Barkley a big multi-year deal in this offseason? Would you even want to give him the $12mm tag ? I just don't see the purpose. Same with the others I mentioned. Better to get the draft capital. If not to move up, just to have other picks if we're taking a QB.
I'd like to see a god damn sense of urgency on the field!
I'd like to see Jones screaming at someone on the field (lineman, wr, coach, I don't give a f....see some passion out of this autistic robot), you saw Simms do it, Brady do it, you saw Brown/Hurts go at it...lets see some fire from this team! If they start fighting each other on the sidelines, so be it!
I'd like to see someone start hitting people with bad intentions on defense or offensive line....let's strike some fear into someone for the love of god.
I want to see Daboll get in his coach's face on the sideline when they screw up (aka special teams)...get fired up and red-faced and let them receive an ass-chewing on the sideline for all to see.....xxxx rolls downhill from there and everyone is going to be held accountable.
I don't want to see any celebrating after a tackle/sack or any smiling on the sidelines....the team sucks and no one should be having a fun time at all. You're paid to win, not show up and put the uniform on.
Bill Parcells never had any problems striking fear into players, why can't Daboll do the same.....release someone (Brightwell) and make an example of him! Next week, release someone else....we've got players on the practice squad who can't perform any worse than the horseshit we've been putting on the field this year up to this point.
This friggin team is taking years off of my life....
I have to commend fans who actually still go to these games. They have so little to cheer about and they still make an effort. Hell, last night when the Seahawks missed a long field goal already up 14-3, fans were cheering like they just won in the second round of the playoffs. Good for them. I think they frankly deserve to be thanked and deserve an apology. The organization should be ashamed collecting money from these folks. Terrible.
It's embarrassing to be a fan of this team right now even without attending the games. I can't imagine what it must have felt like to walk to the car in the parking lot last night after that pathetic showing.
Quote from: Topshelf21 on October 02, 2023, 11:41:26 PMDoes Daboll's job depend on it?
I think it does!
No way. Daboll gets at least next season before we talk about getting rid of him. Giants can't keep changing coaches every two years. If anything there would be major staff changes if this season doesn't turn around.
What I would like to see the rest of the season is at the very least the Giants clean up the sloppy play of penalties and missed tackles. Go back to the basics get that cleaned up and take it from there.
In my mind the odds of Daboll getting fired during or at the end of this season are less than 1%. He has already shown he can be a very effective coach. I'm in no way absolving him for this season, but he will get another chance for sure, even if they don't win another game. Same with Schoen.
Quote from: Gmo11 on October 02, 2023, 11:36:30 PMCaleb Williams. That's what I want to see.
how does that help with this oline though? would it be fair to beef up the oline to put him in a position to succeed without giving jones that? maybe williams is a HOF caliber player. Maybe he's the next zack wilson. i just dont see how putting a different qb in helps us right now.
I don't think Jackson is tradable and actually needs to be benched.
There is no reason to give him anymore playing time if he is going to play the way he has this season moving forward!
For us New Yorkers, the rest of the season for the New Jersey Giants and the New Jersey Mets is a bleak playing out of the string. We do have a New York NFL team with prospects of a good season -- the Buffalo Bills.
What we can do, as far as the Giants and Jets are concerned, is lay in a good supply of snacks and brews and settle back. There will be some knee-slapping scrambles for the ball now and then and, once in a while, an individual play which comes up to the best NFL standards. Other than that? Nada. The season's over.
Regards, all.
Quote from: Torus34 on October 03, 2023, 07:54:13 AMFor us New Yorkers, the rest of the season for the New Jersey Giants and the New Jersey Mets is a bleak playing out of the string. We do have a New York NFL team with prospects of a good season -- the Buffalo Bills.
What we can do, as far as the Giants and Jets are concerned, is lay in a good supply of snacks and brews and settle back. There will be some knee-slapping scrambles for the ball now and then and, once in a while, an individual play which comes up to the best NFL standards. Other than that? Nada. The season's over.
Regards, all.
Yup.
I don't know if you're into winter sports, but the Rangers and Knicks at least offer a competitive, playoff caliber product. I'm looking forward to the starts of their seasons at this point.
It's time for fall walleye fishing and it's bow season here in Wisconsin
The Giants have regressed.
Roster isn't perfect but many of the plays not getting made are on the players mental side (focus, effort and attitude). They are a disgrace
I completely agree trades are needed to dump salary, collect draft picks and send a message.
A functional line must be created and a QB without PTSD developed .
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 03, 2023, 08:44:02 AMYup.
I don't know if you're into winter sports, but the Rangers and Knicks at least offer a competitive, playoff caliber product. I'm looking forward to the starts of their seasons at this point.
Hi! Don't forget the Liberty. Another bright spot in NY sports. But as far as football and baseball goes, we in the Big Apple are left with the old Brooklyn Dodger's fan comment: "Wait 'til next year!"
Regards, and remember what was left in Pandora's box.
Move Taylor to QB. Insert Jones as a tailback, splitting time with Barkley and Breida.
Quote from: katkavage on October 03, 2023, 10:03:53 AMMove Taylor to QB. Insert Jones as a tailback, splitting time with Barkley and Breida.
Is this a serious post? Asking for a friend.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 03, 2023, 11:13:17 AMIs this a serious post? Asking for a friend.
Yes! Absolutely. Jones best asset are his legs. He's fast and tough. His QB skills are not there so why not? It takes the ball out of his shaky "hands" as well as decision-making. And it also adds the threat of the halfback option pass. This season needs innovative change to try to rescue it. But the Giants are a stodgy organization. They would never think outside of the box.
1) Dabs - be less of a player's coach and hold starters accountable. Bench players to get their attention.
2) look at playbook and revise.
3) find starters with heart.
4) fire Bobby Johnson OL coach as he does not appear to getting it done at all.
5) draft Zak Zinter, right guard out of Michigan in 2nd round. Best interior OL college player in the country. 6'5" 320. Turns DL all the time and is a good technician.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 03, 2023, 12:03:00 PM1) Dabs - be less of a player's coach and hold starters accountable. Bench players to get their attention.
2) look at playbook and revise.
3) find starters with heart.
4) fire Bobby Johnson OL coach as he does not appear to getting it done at all.
5) draft Zak Zinter, right guard out of Michigan in 2nd round. Best interior OL college player in the country. 6'5" 320. Turns DL all the time and is a good technician.
Good suggestions.
If they're going to do an in-season firing of Bobby Johnson, then McGauhey needs to go too. He is doing a shockingly bad job, and that goes beyond just this year.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 03, 2023, 12:48:30 PMGood suggestions.
If they're going to do an in-season firing of Bobby Johnson, then McGauhey needs to go too. He is doing a shockingly bad job, and that goes beyond just this year.
Agree with you on TM. He's been terrible.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 03, 2023, 12:03:00 PM1) Dabs - be less of a player's coach and hold starters accountable. Bench players to get their attention.
2) look at playbook and revise.
3) find starters with heart.
4) fire Bobby Johnson OL coach as he does not appear to getting it done at all.
5) draft Zak Zinter, right guard out of Michigan in 2nd round. Best interior OL college player in the country. 6'5" 320. Turns DL all the time and is a good technician.
So after using the 4th overall pick, the 7th overall pick and a 2nd rounder on linemen we're going to use another 2nd round pick on another linemen? At what point do the other issues on this roster get addressed?
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 03, 2023, 01:34:38 PMSo after using the 4th overall pick, the 7th overall pick and a 2nd rounder on linemen we're going to use another 2nd round pick on another linemen? At what point do the other issues on this roster get addressed?
When you start an offensive line that doesnt consist of 4 practice level squad players. It doesnt matter where they are picked. If they stink, they need to be replaced. Neal's honeymoon is over. We have 4-5 guards that dont belong in the NFL.
Quote from: JT39 on October 03, 2023, 01:37:47 PMWhen you start an offensive line that doesnt consist of 4 practice level squad players. It doesnt matter where they are picked. If they stink, they need to be replaced. Neal's honeymoon is over. We have 4-5 guards that dont belong in the NFL.
That doesn't mean you continue to use premium picks on the offensive line while ignoring the other weaknesses on the roster. I'm not saying guys shouldn't be replaced. I am saying the players you acquire to replace them with shouldn't be more premium draft selections. No team in football has used more of those picks on linemen in recent years. That strategy has not worked.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 03, 2023, 01:40:21 PMThat doesn't mean you continue to use premium picks on the offensive line while ignoring the other weaknesses on the roster. I'm not saying guys shouldn't be replaced. I am saying the players you acquire to replace them with shouldn't be more premium draft selections. No team in football has used more of those picks on linemen in recent years. That strategy has not worked.
Then you're suggesting the GM and scouting staff need to be replaced. Both guard spots are a position of NEED. And if the best player in round 2 is a guard - you dont pass one up cause it didnt work out before. Thats foolish.
I am not saying you force the pick, but if the best player available is an OL - we need them, desperately.
Quote from: JT39 on October 03, 2023, 01:42:25 PMThen you're suggesting the GM and scouting staff need to be replaced. Both guard spots are a position of NEED. And if the best player in round 2 is a guard - you dont pass one up cause it didnt work out before. Thats foolish.
I am not saying you force the pick, but if the best player available is an OL - we need them, desperately.
No, I am not suggesting the GM who has only had 2 drafts be replaced when the previous guy got 4 drafts producing the worst record in the league over that time. What I am suggesting is that spending more premium draft picks on the line is not the answer. Replace guys with other alternatives. I replace the QB before I do that.
I want to see a different offensive scheme....seems like, again, the other team seems to know what the Giants going to do before the snap.
Crossing routes that take time and when completed the receiver is tackled immediately.
What about some quick slants or screen passes including TE screens .
Get some imagination into the game.
Also want to see some defensive energy ...better
AST night but the breakdown on 51 yard pass before half was unacceptable.
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Well we invested a ton of two IOL who havent done anything this year
We have invested a lot in a corner over the last few years
We have a top 5 and a round 2 edge.
We just invested big time on a QB
Seeing a pattern?
And its very curious you are giving Schoen a pass on the OL, when...
Neal has been a colossal bust so far
He brought in Glowinski who was suppose to be a start and is now 3rd on the depth chart
He drafted JMS (TBD, already hurt)
He drafted Ezedu in the 3rd round who is awful
He drafted McKathean who didnt play last year and has been awful this year.
Why is Schoen given a pass for these decisions?
Quote from: JT39 on October 03, 2023, 01:50:37 PMWell we invested a ton of two IOL who havent done anything this year
We have invested a lot in a corner over the last few years
We have a top 5 and a round 2 edge.
We just invested big time on a QB
Seeing a pattern?
And its very curious you are giving Schoen a pass on the OL, when...
Neal has been a colossal bust so far
He brought in Glowinski who was suppose to be a start and is now 3rd on the depth chart
He drafted JMS (TBD, already hurt)
He drafted Ezedu in the 3rd round who is awful
He drafted McKathean who didnt play last year and has been awful this year.
Why is Schoen given a pass for these decisions?
Not giving Schoen a pass. I am just not firing him after 2 years when Gettleman got four years and lose double digit amount of games every season. Both Schoen and Daboll get the rest of this season and into next season before I am ready to pull the plug on them. That doesn't mean they are getting a pass. It means they are being given more time to get this right.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 03, 2023, 01:54:44 PMNot giving Schoen a pass. I am just not firing him after 2 years when Gettleman got four years and lose double digit amount of games every season. Both Schoen and Daboll get the rest of this season and into next season before I am ready to pull the plug on them. That doesn't mean they are getting a pass. It means they are being given more time to get this right.
Ok, I am sorry. I misunderstood.
But for the record - Gettleman should have been fired after year 2 anyways....lol