Just coming across the air
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Tommy Cutlets should beat him out.
https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1767613725429665913?s=20
Interesting. Still young and has some experience. Was he a 2nd round pick? Not a bad pick up.
Quote from: gregf on March 12, 2024, 02:13:22 PMInteresting. Still young and has some experience. Was he a 2nd round pick? Not a bad pick up.
He led the Seahawks to win over the Eagles last year putting together a 92 yard drive in the last 1:52 on the clock with a 29 yd TD throw to Smith-Njigba
Hopefully, he's a late bloomer like Geno Smith
He's better than Devito for sure. Possibly better than Jones if we're being honest just not as a mobile. But post ACL exploding who knows how mobile Jones still is.
https://x.com/JustinPenik/status/1767617557874241936?s=20
Quote from: gregf on March 12, 2024, 02:13:22 PMInteresting. Still young and has some experience. Was he a 2nd round pick? Not a bad pick up.
Yes, out of Mizzou and I think the same year as Jones. Remember watching him in college and thinking he was ok. His career so far is evidence I don't know squat!
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Lock is a very different QB to Jones. He is a pocket guy, with a big arm and will sling it deep given time but he has very little regard for coverage and throws nearly as many Int as TD.
If we treat the injury and OL hampered start of last year as an aberration Jones had evolved into a mobile but excessively cautious QB who does not turn the football over more than average.
They certainly are not like for like. That might make for a genuine competition of sorts if Jones is fit in camp.
This probably ensures Jones won't take a snap next year.
Regardless if he wins the backup position, he will bring some eye-candy to the Giants
His wife Natalie:
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They could have had Flacco.
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 12, 2024, 02:34:19 PMRegardless if he wins the backup position, he will bring some eye-candy to the Giants
His wife Natalie:
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Quote from: Ed Vette on March 12, 2024, 02:34:33 PMThey could have had Flacco.
Flacco would have been a good mentor for the new QB they draft. 8))
Does anyone have Joe Schoen's cell?
DJ hurry back. I take back everything I said about you.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 12, 2024, 02:41:14 PMDJ hurry back. I take back everything I said about you.
=))
Quote from: JT39 on March 12, 2024, 02:33:27 PMThis probably ensures Devito won't take a snap next year.
Fixed it for you.
I don't get this move.
https://x.com/GiantInsider/status/1767619249298653411?s=20
https://x.com/rydunleavy/status/1767614646469468533?s=20
One of five QB first round picks in 2021 draft
Like has been said on this board before you never now about first round QB. Lots of hype and sometimes little bang for buck
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This signing doesn't even move the needle for me, even a little bit. It also makes me wonder if they are going to take a quarterback in this draft. Strange move IMHO.
Jones, Lock, and DeVito? They better have plans to draft a QB next month.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on March 12, 2024, 03:19:39 PMJones, Lock, and DeVito? They better have plans to draft a QB next month.
McCarthy or Maye. We cannot go with Jones anymore.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on March 12, 2024, 03:19:39 PMJones, Lock, and DeVito? They better have plans to draft a QB next month.
As many of us have been saying for some time, DeVito doesn't factor into their plans at all.
Whether or not they draft a QB will come down to their board and availability. I would be very shocked if they took one at #6, and now with one less 2nd rounder, would be shocked then, as well. Maybe Rattler or Pratt in the 3rd, but I think that's a wasted pick.
Well, they needed a backup QB, and backups like Purdy come around once every century or two. Typically, once you're down to relying on a backup, you're not going to lug home the Lombardi. Sure, it happens...but so does seeing an albino alligator in the wild. It happens, but is extremely rare!
Getting an experienced backup on the cheap is the way to go IMHO
I think a lot of Giants' fans are going to be upset when the Giants get to the podium to announce their pick and don't take a QB. They should prepare themselves for the let-down
I think they should trade down if one of the big QBs are on the board and take in a haul of picks from some desperate team in QB hell willing to roll the dice...their 1st, another 2nd rd, and a couple more mid-late round picks, as well as a 1st round next year, and maybe next year's 3rd or something. A lot of holes to fill, and we're down to only six overall picks this year
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on March 12, 2024, 03:19:39 PMJones, Lock, and DeVito? They better have plans to draft a QB next month.
DeVito will be gone by middle of training camp, if not sooner.
Coach Sparky ('we needed a spark") wants him out as soon as possible.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 12, 2024, 02:34:33 PMThey could have had Flacco.
I don't think Flacco was a FA and had already signed an extra year on his contract around Christmas time...not to mention, he's closing in on 40 years old and when QBs discover their golden arm that got them this far is fading and ain't what it used to be, it goes bad pretty quickly
I don't hate this move. Locke will be a solid, low cost backup.
Quote from: Giant Obsession on March 12, 2024, 04:39:17 PMDeVito will be gone by middle of training camp, if not sooner.
Coach Sparky ('we needed a spark") wants him out as soon as possible.
As long as we can find a way to move past the Daniel Jones era, I'm fine with whatever direction they go in. At least with DeVito there is a widely shared understanding that the team stinks and is only competing for draft position. With Daniel Jones we have the multi-year myth that this team can win a championship with him, complete with a pro-Jones marketing campaign that includes former Giants greats falling over themselves to tell us what we're seeing Jones do on the field isn't what's actually happening.
I'm inclined to think of Drew Lock as the QB1b albeit on a middling One Year/ $5 million contract. While no one asked me, I don't see the Giants as currently willing, able, or likely to trade-up for one of the top-3 QBs. While like most folks here, I have a preference for whom they may choose to take at No.6 overall, but it's of no consequence to anyone else whether accompanied by Yea, and hot damn, or bitching and moaning, or Whatha?
Cheers!
Quote from: ozzie on March 12, 2024, 04:44:45 PMI don't hate this move. Locke will be a solid, low cost backup.
All kidding aside, he's a likable guy and should prove to be a positive influence in that QB room. Good arm and can be physical past the LOS. I would be willing to speculate that Daboll is thinking he can correct his mechanics and accuracy issues. He has nice height and sees the field well. He fits the Mara profile of a Lilly white, good looking kid.
Ric may be right, don't be disappointed if they pass on QB at six.
Personally, I see a move like this as a big sign we do not draft a QB at #6.
Why, you ask, if we do draft a QB, that relegates Lock to #3 on the chart and are we paying him whatever we are paying him to be a chart holder and not even given a jersey on game day? Jones will start no matter what and if we draft a QB he sits, will he be the #3 QB on game day and not even dress?
I see this as a move just to protect us if Jones goes down and we can still function. If we just wanted a space holder we keep DeVito not sign a QB like Lock.
I can see a move like this if Jones was gone and we drafted a QB. Then Lock is our back up but Jones is here for the entire 2024 season. so what sense does this move make unless we are drafting other than QB?
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 12, 2024, 05:24:54 PMAll kidding aside, he's a likable guy and should prove to be a positive influence in that QB room. Good arm and can be physical past the LOS. I would be willing to speculate that Daboll is thinking he can correct his mechanics and accuracy issues. He has nice height and sees the field well. He fits the Mara profile of a Lilly white, good looking kid.
Ric may be right, don't be disappointed if they pass on QB at six.
I read that he leads all QBs in blocking, so there's that...as you pointed out that he's physical. And it can't hurt to have one more body push people out of the way for a RB
Change of scenery can have effects on the others in the room, as they all have differing experiences and coaches in their past, and they share with each other what they've learned. Lock is young and not ready to retire. He's given a chance to prove doubters wrong for the next few years. It certainly worked with Geno :-??
I have no issues with this signing. I was hoping for Minshew going into the offseason, but not at $25mm over 2 years with $15mm guaranteed. Good for him to work his way up to that pay level. Wasn't long ago he was getting much less.
Locke showed up at Denver as a rookie a few years ago with some hype/promise, but he has been a let-down overall. Still, it sounds like he had his moments last year, and he's still young and he's healthy. We're obviously a very long way from contention, so there was no reason to break the bank on a backup QB (we already did exactly that with Jones).
I'm reading Lock's contract is "up to" $5mm for one year, which these days is about as cheap as you're going to find for any QB not named Mike Glennon or Jake Fromm.
Quote from: LennG on March 12, 2024, 05:46:42 PMPersonally, I see a move like this as a big sign we do not draft a QB at #6.
Why, you ask, if we do draft a QB, that relegates Lock to #3 on the chart and are we paying him whatever we are paying him to be a chart holder and not even given a jersey on game day? Jones will start no matter what and if we draft a QB he sits, will he be the #3 QB on game day and not even dress?
I see this as a move just to protect us if Jones goes down and we can still function. If we just wanted a space holder we keep DeVito not sign a QB like Lock.
I can see a move like this if Jones was gone and we drafted a QB. Then Lock is our back up but Jones is here for the entire 2024 season. so what sense does this move make unless we are drafting other than QB?
You're reading the tea leaves, Lenn. And the tea leaves I'm reading out here in God's country are saying the same thing, as your tea leaves. I no longer see us drafting a QB early in the draft, as it doesn't make sense. But if one of the gifted ones fall in their lap, I hope there's a bidding war among many teams offering their draft stock to switch positions
The kids got a HOWITZER and more importantly, he's not afraid to use it!
His willingness and ability to read down field routes already make him an improvement over DJ.
MOST IMPORTANT: If he is truly coachable, he's exactly what Dabs wants.
QB in 2025.
Trade down a few times from 6, load up the roster while snagging an extra 1st for next years' draft...snag some comp picks...and you have all the ammo you need for a new QB in next years draft AFTER the team is mostly rebuilt.
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Feeling pretty neutral on this. Heard some talking heads say that he looks good in practice but it hasn't carried into game day.
Wasnt one of the knocks on him small hands? That supposedly affects the ability to drive the ball downfield in bad weather in particular.
It's a 1 year deal for backup money. Have to fill a roster.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 12, 2024, 06:08:54 PMFeeling pretty neutral on this. Heard some talking headsenyion that he looks good in practice but it hasn't carried into game day.
Wasnt one of the knocks on him small hands? That supposedly affects the ability to drive the ball downfield in bad weather in particular.
It's a 1 year deal for backup money. Have to fill a roster.
Exactly. This is ho-hum stuff. He's not going to be our QB of the future. We all know that. That individual is not presently on the team. The Lock signing doesn't change that.
On the whole, he's purely a backup that can fill in. Giants did what they said: sign a vet backup. He has a strong arm but very different than DJ.
DeVito still can make the roster. With so many injuries around the league last year, it's very likely they'll keep 3 qbs, especially with Jones.
I hope the Giants pick either Nabers or Odunze-both potential stars. If Maye were to fall to 6, the phone will be likely ringing off the hook with suitors. That seems very unlikely, however.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on March 12, 2024, 06:54:34 PMI hope the Giants pick either Nabers or Odunze-both potential stars. If Maye were to fall to 6, the phone will be likely ringing off the hook with suitors. That seems very unlikely, however.
So we are looking at a Drew Lock-led Giants in 2024?
Quote from: katkavage on March 12, 2024, 06:59:55 PMSo we are looking at a Drew Lock-led Giants in 2024?
No, its not a Lock. Jones will be the starter, no matter what I want-qb of the future. Don't want JJ at 6, so why not take a star receiver? Sans OBJ, rather unheard of, I know, for our heroes.
As recent drafts clearly show, taking qbs early is not shooting fish in a barrel.
It isn't a lock that Jones will be ready to start week 1 in which case Lock will. Once Jones can start Locke will be the QB2. DeVito won't play any part assuming he's still there.
That is my prediction and expectation. And it's worth every penny that you paid for it.
Yes, when Jones is ready. I thought that goes without saying. Hearing of his work ethic, I wouldn't be surprised if he is ahead of schedule.
:yes:
What is the obsession for drafting a QB with our first pick, or even mortgage the rest of the draft and future to go up a bit... for who?
Have you guys checked the failure stats of high first round QBs?
It is either a DJ derangement syndrome or looking for excitement of drafting a new QB and have your fingers crossed that we hit on a Mahomes!! Even if you strike gold, he will be doomed also with the surrounding cast.
HALLELULJAH!!!
The main issue of course is that Jones lacks mobility after his injury making the strongest part of his game obsolete.
Drew Lock is not a great option, but easily better than Jones (and arguably a better option even before Jones's injury).. I'm fine with him as our #2 though I had a soft spot for Tyrod.
When I saw him last, he looked much better with his decision making against the Eagles. Granted, their back seven were awful, but he did engineer a 92-yard drive to win the game.
Daboll should help him, too. He fits a need-vet backup. Would you rather have Zach Wilson.. Redfaced ? Lol.
people continue to underestimate how masterful Brian Daboll is. He turned Daniel Jones a straight up BAD QB into a decent game manager for a season. Tommy DeVito is awful and yet he looked ok for a game or two.
Drew Lock is a legit average QB. I have no doubt he can look like Jones did a year ago but on a more consistent level with a higher ceiling
I know there is a hug age differential but strictly as a backup, would Ryan Tanneyhill been a better choice ? Do you think that there is some thought with the Giant brass that maybe , if Jones falters that Lock could become the future Giant QB or is that too far fetched.
WAsn't LOck highly regarded when he played at Missouri ?
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on March 13, 2024, 04:21:41 AMI know there is a hug age differential but strictly as a backup, would Ryan Tanneyhill been a better choice ? Do you think that there is some thought with the Giant brass that maybe , if Jones falters that Lock could become the future Giant QB or is that too far fetched.
WAsn't LOck highly regarded when he played at Missouri ?
if you wanted ryan tannehill we might as well have kept Tyrod. Younger is always better especially if the QB we draft doesn't pan out and we can have Lock potentially be seen as a viable option long term than a Tommy Devito.
Lock has a higher ceiling than Jones but had poor coaching and opportunities. As much as I want us to draft a QB, I'm not totally opposed to having him start week 1 either worst case scenario if we get him a top WR instead
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on March 13, 2024, 04:21:41 AMI know there is a hug age differential but strictly as a backup, would Ryan Tanneyhill been a better choice ? Do you think that there is some thought with the Giant brass that maybe , if Jones falters that Lock could become the future Giant QB or is that too far fetched.
WAsn't LOck highly regarded when he played at Missouri ?
I think the NYG weren't interested in Tannehill due to age. Lock is a stop gap at best.
Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 13, 2024, 04:24:18 AMif you wanted ryan tannehill we might as well have kept Tyrod. Younger is always better especially if the QB we draft doesn't pan out and we can have Lock potentially be seen as a viable option long term than a Tommy Devito.
Lock has a higher ceiling than Jones but had poor coaching and opportunities. As much as I want us to draft a QB, I'm not totally opposed to having him start week 1 either worst case scenario if we get him a top WR instead
Let's assume for a moment the Giants don't draft a QB. I'm not saying they won't, but for the sake of argument let's just suppose for a moment that they don't.
Assuming Jones is cleared by the doctors, which sounds likely to happen on schedule, I think it's all but nailed on that he starts week one.
What I'll say though, is I think Daboll will be much less tolerant of poor play by Jones now that he has seen other backup Giant QBs outperform him with the same supporting cast. So Lock may get a shot even if Jones doesn't get hurt. Jones could easily get benched for performance-related reasons this year.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 15, 2024, 07:13:37 PMLet's assume for a moment the Giants don't draft a QB. I'm not saying they won't, but for the sake of argument let's just suppose for a moment that they don't.
Assuming Jones is cleared by the doctors, which sounds likely to happen on schedule, I think it's all but nailed on that he starts week one.
What I'll say though, is I think Daboll will be much less tolerant of poor play by Jones now that he has seen other backup Giant QBs outperform him with the same supporting cast. So Lock may get a shot even if Jones doesn't get hurt. Jones could easily get benched for performance-related reasons this year.
Is there a place I can put money down on this happening? I would put a substantial amount and cash in. :ok:
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 15, 2024, 07:13:37 PMLet's assume for a moment the Giants don't draft a QB. I'm not saying they won't, but for the sake of argument let's just suppose for a moment that they don't.
Assuming Jones is cleared by the doctors, which sounds likely to happen on schedule, I think it's all but nailed on that he starts week one.
What I'll say though, is I think Daboll will be much less tolerant of poor play by Jones now that he has seen other backup Giant QBs outperform him with the same supporting cast. So Lock may get a shot even if Jones doesn't get hurt. Jones could easily get benched for performance-related reasons this year.
Actually it was not "the same supporting cast" on the offensive line for Jones as it was for DeVito and Taylor.
Thomas and Barkley were out and their replacements were inept. Two rookies started and were ill prepared to play yet. The level of competition was higher in Dallas, San Francisco, Miami and to a lesser extent Seattle. Jones had less than two seconds to throw the ball , discarding the theory that Jones held the ball too long. The pathetic OL was on pace to set a NFL record for sacks. The cards were stacked against Jones (and any other QB). The OL improved as the year went on which benefited the backup QBs.
A more likely scenario is that Daboll fully remembers Jones' performance in 2022 where he led the Giants to a road Playoff victory - a game where DJ threw for over 300 yards and ran for another 100.
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Quote from: todge on March 15, 2024, 09:23:38 PMActually it was not "the same supporting cast" on the offensive line for Jones as it was for DeVito and Taylor.
Thomas and Barkley were out and their replacements were inept. Two rookies started and were ill prepared to play yet. The level of competition was higher in Dallas, San Francisco, Miami and to a lesser extent Seattle. Jones had less than two seconds to throw the ball , discarding the theory that Jones held the ball too long. The pathetic OL was on pace to set a NFL record for sacks. The cards were stacked against Jones (and any other QB). The OL improved as the year went on which benefited the backup QBs.
A more likely scenario is that Daboll fully remembers Jones' performance in 2022 where he led the Giants to a road Playoff victory - a game where DJ threw for over 300 yards and ran for another 100.
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He only completed a pass beyond 20 yards a handful of times before Thanksgiving in 2022. He also only got over the 200 yard passing mark 6 times that season for a grand total of 3200 yards passing, the same as Davis Mills in 2022. Where is Davis Mills now? Jones led what was a bottom third passing offense.
But yes, I remember Jones last playoff performance Jones was 15-of-27 for 135 yards and one interception, with a QB rating of 53. It's amazing how everyone forgets the Eagles game and just remembers the Vikings game. Jones looked exactly how he did in 2023, in that playoff game to the Eagles.
Let's just keep ignoring that past decade of data for hopes and dreams.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 15, 2024, 07:13:37 PMLet's assume for a moment the Giants don't draft a QB. I'm not saying they won't, but for the sake of argument let's just suppose for a moment that they don't.
Assuming Jones is cleared by the doctors, which sounds likely to happen on schedule, I think it's all but nailed on that he starts week one.
What I'll say though, is I think Daboll will be much less tolerant of poor play by Jones now that he has seen other backup Giant QBs outperform him with the same supporting cast. So Lock may get a shot even if Jones doesn't get hurt. Jones could easily get benched for performance-related reasons this year.
because schoen is naturally selfish person.. i don't see this happening.
let's say Jones plays and in week 3 (1-2 or 0-3 start), Jones gets injured.
We are now SCREWED cap wise because of the injury clause HE put into his contract.
And will make it vERY easy to justify firing Schoen.
If Jones just does not play at all, Daboll is first one thrown under the bus, not Joey Schoeny
Quote from: T200 on March 15, 2024, 07:58:26 PMIs there a place I can put money down on this happening? I would put a substantial amount and cash in. :ok:
if somehow he does play, i give him a game and a half MAX.
Quote from: JT39 on March 12, 2024, 03:39:51 PMMcCarthy or Maye. We cannot go with Jones anymore.
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