https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1779886487925899560
Note the lack of enthusiasm and qualifying comments he often throws in to express confidence in one of his guys.
I think he knows Waller is selfishly holding up the team and may not be one of "his guys" for much longer.
IF we can not replace an over 30, oft injured, overpaid TE on our roster then Lord help us.
Quote from: Giant Obsession on April 16, 2024, 10:11:53 PMIF we can not replace an over 30, oft injured, overpaid TE on our roster then Lord help us.
And pick up some needed CAP space. I'm over Waller and wish they would just cut him.
I think it's important to keep in mind that coaches (and Giants execs) need to be very careful when speaking about a player and OTA attendance. They can get in trouble if they speak in a manner that suggests the team is unhappy with a player not attending these voluntary (by contract) workouts. Tom Coughlin (down in Jacksonville) got in trouble for this (and a few other things).
I still think it's all a big ole ruse. He's made up his mind, but Schoen and Daboll don't want him to announce it until after the draft. All part of the pre-draft craze, where wily subterfuge is part of the game to keep other teams guessing as to what is being looked at and considered. There is not a single good thing to come out of it if he was to announce his retirement. It would only inform other teams that the Giants were going to take a TE in the draft (Theo Johnson, Cade Stover, Ben Sinnott???). In short: "why show your cards before the draft?"
Making the announcement would appease fans who are anxious to know what's going on, but in the strategy of trying to outwit the competition, that does nothing of value, and in fact, is damaging information. Thank heavens, we have a cagey GM that understands how to play the game and thinks like a fox
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 17, 2024, 08:57:37 AMI still think it's all a big ole ruse. He's made up his mind, but Schoen and Daboll don't want him to announce it until after the draft. All part of the pre-draft craze, where wily subterfuge is part of the game to keep other teams guessing as to what is being looked at and considered. There is not a single good thing to come out of it if he was to announce his retirement. It would only inform other teams that the Giants were going to take a TE in the draft (Theo Johnson, Cade Stover, Ben Sinnott???). In short: "why show your cards before the draft?"
Making the announcement would appease fans who are anxious to know what's going on, but in the strategy of trying to outwit the competition, that does nothing of value, and in fact, is damaging information. Thank heavens, we have a cagey GM that understands how to play the game and thinks like a fox
Considering how much of a non-factor Waller was last season, I am perfectly fine with his retirement. The Giants can draft another TE and use the freed-up salary cap (about $6 million) to sign a veteran CB (or other position of need depending on how the draft shakes out)
WHY are we even concerned with dime a dozen WR and way over the hill TE.
THIS is a major reason we have the lack of roster talent. Let Slayton eat up someone elses cap space for average at best (in a good year) production.
Waller.....c'mom....please.
Riddance to both. Who are they kidding?
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 17, 2024, 08:59:40 AMConsidering how much of a non-factor Waller was last season, I am perfectly fine with his retirement. The Giants can draft another TE and use the freed-up salary cap (about $6 million) to sign a veteran CB (or other position of need depending on how the draft shakes out)
Bertrand Russell: Nothing is so exhausting as indecision, and nothing is so futile.
Quote from: Giant Obsession on April 17, 2024, 06:18:35 PMWHY are we even concerned with dime a dozen WR and way over the hill TE.
THIS is a major reason we have the lack of roster talent. Let Slayton eat up someone elses cap space for average at best (in a good year) production.
Waller.....c'mom....please.
Do you realize how much worse this offense would be without Slayton. He IS the talent. It's him and 1st-2nd year players.
Slayton is a good player. Reliable in generally difficult days. He has been a good soldier taking less to stay in the past. He is calling his shot and has earned the right to try it. Of course it might backfire if we draft a WR at 6. We might then see him as a tradeable asset to gain a pick or move up a round mid draft in a pick swap. He should have suitors. Let us see how it pans out.
https://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1780993762400850356
Maybe this is why he's undecided...
https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/40009974/wnba-star-kelsey-plum-giants-darren-waller-file-divorce
Quote from: T200 on April 23, 2024, 02:55:14 PMMaybe this is why he's undecided...
https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/40009974/wnba-star-kelsey-plum-giants-darren-waller-file-divorce
That was quick. It's funny, but when the Giants traded for Waller, I wondered how that would impact their recent marriage. Her job was still in Los Vegas, and his job was on the other side of the country, which seemed like a significant challenge for the newlyweds.
Waller I'll believe it when I see it..
Well divorce is expensive so if he needs the money why retire?
Quote from: T200 on April 23, 2024, 02:55:14 PMMaybe this is why he's undecided...
https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/40009974/wnba-star-kelsey-plum-giants-darren-waller-file-divorce
Dirty laundry... one day she'll tell her story. Lol
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 23, 2024, 05:05:44 PMDirty laundry... one day she'll tell her story. Lol
That's what I was thinking as well.
So now he will play this year.
Gonna need the cash.
Cut him now...absorb the hit.
Quote from: TDToomer on April 23, 2024, 04:59:35 PMWell divorce is expensive so if he needs the money why retire?
But who wants a player whose motivation is making up the money the divorce is costing him? And then there is the element of the mental and emotional distraction. It may be harsh, but this makes me want to cut him even more.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 23, 2024, 09:02:18 PMBut who wants a player whose motivation is making up the money the divorce is costing him? And then there is the element of the mental and emotional distraction. It may be harsh, but this makes me want to cut him even more.
Because the talent is still there and it is better than anything else on the roster. With only 6 draft picks and many needs we may not draft a TE. You can't just go into training camp with Bellinger, Cager and the 2 nobodies they recently signed. I'd rather see how he looks this summer.
By the way. What happened to Bellinger after such a promising rookie season? He looked lead footed and sluggish. Remember..he Hulked himself out for camp last year and went pfft almost right away.
I don't expect Waller is on the team come August.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on April 25, 2024, 10:52:18 AMBy the way. What happened to Bellinger after such a promising rookie season? He looked lead footed and sluggish. Remember..he Hulked himself out for camp last year and went pfft almost right away.
His blocking was much worse then in 2022
Quote from: spiderblue43 on April 25, 2024, 10:52:18 AMBy the way. What happened to Bellinger after such a promising rookie season? He looked lead footed and sluggish. Remember..he Hulked himself out for camp last year and went pfft almost right away.
Hasn't been the same since the eye injury. Probably has problems with depth perception.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 23, 2024, 09:02:18 PMBut who wants a player whose motivation is making up the money the divorce is costing him? And then there is the element of the mental and emotional distraction. It may be harsh, but this makes me want to cut him even more.
Most players in the NFL have financial stability for their families as their top motivator.
Waller also has the benefit of less mental and emotional strife of a contentious marriage.
I hope he decides to play, is healthy, and balls out. One less question mark for us.
Quote from: TDToomer on April 25, 2024, 10:24:43 AMBecause the talent is still there and it is better than anything else on the roster. With only 6 draft picks and many needs we may not draft a TE. You can't just go into training camp with Bellinger, Cager and the 2 nobodies they recently signed. I'd rather see how he looks this summer.
He hasn't shown that the talent, and the health needed to exploit it, is still there for 3 years.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 25, 2024, 02:11:39 PMHe hasn't shown that the talent, and the health needed to exploit it, is still there for 3 years.
I only care about this year. He is still better than any other TE on the roster.
Quote from: TDToomer on April 25, 2024, 04:47:53 PMI only care about this year. He is still better than any other TE on the roster.
Well that's the point. We have no evidence that this year he will be able to display that talent.