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He was the guy I wanted at 47. Like McKinney he was a bit hobbled rehabbing at the combine but on the tape he has all the range you could want. Like most safeties he lacks a top gear to match an absolute burner deep but he will put himself in good positions to make plays with above average smarts and recognition. Nubin has better ball instincts coming out than McK had and is happy to tackle, though not quite as physical. Just a really nice value meets need pick IMO.

I love Nubin, I am OK with Phillips (just wish he had hands). Not much 3T help left if we cannot get Wingo or Dorlus early day 3. Edge depth also not terrific. Several decent TE and RB fits still out there. Still some CBand WR help if we want to double-dip at high tariff positions. Only a handful of guards left with solid developmental potential. Not much at T.

There are still lots of TEs and RBs available so Phillips was a sensible pick. He is versatile in/out which matters in Bowen's system and he tackles well enough which is also a Bowen priority. Lack of ball production is not ideal but he adds depth and competition to a unit with more Qs than As.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on April 26, 2024, 11:23:16 AMThe Eagles being able to sit back and get, arguably, the best cornerback in the draft when that was their top need is an insane win for them. Thought at least 2-3 corners would have been off the board by that pick. The run on QBs and the Raiders taking Bowers kind of messed things up.

I mentioned on here a couple of days before the draft that the #1 CB in this draft would have rated at CB5 last year (from my family member at an AFC team) and last night tended to confirm that. Ultimately teams will take players because they need them in the latter part of R1 but the idea this was a strong CB class is more a media artefact than team reality. I was told teams see a fairly deep class for NCB and CB3 types but very few clear CB1s.

I'd only consider it for DeJean or McKinstry and only if we have clean medical evaluations on them. We have bigger needs at CB/NCB than G IMO.

Day one of the draft you make headlines that build interest. Days two and three you make picks that build rosters.

No matter how good he is/becomes Nabers will have only a peripheral impact on franchise trajectory unless we make our remaining five picks count to improve other areas

Schoen was correct when he noted we are more than one or two players away. His drafts have contributed to this talent deficit because they have not yet yielded a single slam dunk player on days 2,3.

Bellinger as a solid TE2 and McFadden as ILB2 are arguably the only value picks he has made so far. We can hope other guys like Wandale, JMS, Hyatt, Belton emerge with time/coaching but out of the box it has been a bit disappointing so far if we are honest.

This simply has to improve, both in terms of GM/staff player selection and coaching staff player development, for any Giants fan to have any chance of rediscovering happiness!

We were a bad team before we picked Nabers. We are still a bad team after the pick. We are a battered, rusting heap with an engine operating at half power (DJ), two good tires (AT, Dex), a nice stereo pass rush duo and an enhanced selection of shiny WR hood ornaments.

I am not sure there is much to be happy about as we are still a long way from competing. Getting another good player is nice but hardly cause for bunting and a parade.

It leaves Slayton playing out his contract this season unless we get an above market trade offer (anything above his original draft round) in the next 24 hours. He will likely have a chip on his shoulder.

Williams has a very good supporting cast. So does McCarthy. Nix has Payton. One of those three likely has the best situation even if the three I have not mentioned are 2-4 in some order in terms of talent.

Schoen/Daboll (and particularly the latter given his QB whisperer status) have IMO gambled that BOTH Jones and Lock are better than Penix, McCarthy and Nix. Both because given Jones injury history we have to see Lock as 1b not 2. If the Giants felt they could improve 1b that was the biggest bang they could possibly get at 6 and they would/should have pulled the trigger.

Their reputations now ride on how Jones/Lock perform and how those three guys do elsewhere. Let us hope they got it right.

Given how unpredictable R1 was it is hard to say.

My guess is one of Tyler Nubin, Mike Sainristil (degenerative knee concern), TJ Tampa or Braden Fiske if there at 47 but a G like Beebe or Haynes or T like Paul is also possible if available.

Will guys like DeJean, McKinstry, Newton keep falling due to their respective injury concerns? If so, how far and how do we feel about the risk/reward? McConkey is in the same boat but surely we will not double dip WR?!

Adonai Mitchell got dinged on character. Will Sweat (expected R2) also get hit (not that we need another massive DT rather than a 3T)?

I understand the pick given his talent and his ability to separate, which Daboll prizes, though I have concerns over his maturity. He is very young and has had some issues. It remains to be seen if we have enough leadership at QB and in the wider locker room to get the best out of him or if he will become a handful down the line. Odunze was the slightly lower ceiling but safer character pick. We will see how it goes. We have to hope DJ or Lock can get him and the rest of a talented but inexperienced WR group the ball!

S Cole Bishop R3
Just a really solid all-round guy; not flashy but helps others around him

DT Mekhi Wingo R4
Undersized but just makes things happen

Sleeper
DT Levi Drake-Rodriguez small college former high-school OL turned into a dynamic 3T riser

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 23, 2024, 12:03:06 PMInterested why you don't see Dallas Turner as a first-rounder.

He will go first round because he has decent stats and went to Bama but when I watched him I just did not see a single exceptional trait I could hang my evaluation around.

He's a high day two guy for me who will be solid, maybe even a bit more if in a favourable situation with others drawing double teams but I did not see an alpha dog.

There have been a lot of Crimson Tide edges with good stats over-drafted down the years and that tipped me out rather than in.

Mighty, I back and forth with Ceri for months in the run up to the draft so I guess a bit of my brain seeps into his around the edges. At this point my Board is specific only to players I would take (so fit as well as grade) but by position and within position in order here are my first rounders:

QB: Williams*, Maye*, McCarthy, Daniels
RB: N/A
TE: Bowers
WR: Harrison Jr*, Odunze*, Nabers, Thomas Jr
OT: Alt, Fuaga, Latham, Fashanu, Fautanu
IOL: Barton
ED: Verse
DE/DT: Murphy
LB: N/A
S/NCB: N/A
CB: Mitchell, Arnold

19 in total

Of the above I only have 4 with potential gold-jacket/multiple all-pro grades as indicated by *

If I have any medical or character Qs I exclude them from * status but keep in R1 if I deem them 'minor'

4 bigger medical Qs not included above but grade high enough for me if cleared to have a R1 grade: Latu, Newton, DeJean, McKinstry

Just my view. My lack of love for the D guys shines through with some notable omissions.

I do not see NE trading back. They are in disarray with a spoilt fanbase increasingly listless. Kraft knows he needs a QB to generate some hype and create a reason for fans to spend.

The perceived hot QB market may be leading other teams to ask for potentially unrealistic packages to trade back (lots of rumours that it would take "historic" deals to shift AZ or LAC). Will they shift position on draft day? Is Minnesota or Denver desperate enough to massively overpay? Maybe.

Thankfully we will know soon!