Big Blue Huddle

The bet here is teaming him with Thibs and Dex allows Burns to take his game to the next level.

Before they can finalize a trade, they likely have to agree with Burns on a contract extension. We're likely talking about a 2nd round pick plus another pick, plus a $100 million contract.

It would be a big commitment from the Giants and a huge upgrade to the defense.

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Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 11, 2024, 04:09:43 PMJust likes Schoen "saw more in" parris campbell, mark glowinski, etc??

He has been proven to be absolutely clueless and constantly overpays on guys he likes.

Schoen has a lot to prove. I don't disagree.

Not a fan of the price tag but this is who they targeted on day 1 so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. They may see something more in him that what he's shown so far. Let's hope he plays with as much heart as his old man.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 09, 2024, 05:25:27 PMHe's only played 20 games, it's amazing how short the leash is at some positions vs others. He showed solid signs last season. New coach, hopefully healthy, and we can possibly see real strides.

It's a sign of desperation. This team needed Neal to show up in a big way and he didn't get it done. We don't have the luxury of developing a top-10 pick over multiple seasons.

As for the solid signs you saw, I haven't seen them and I'm not sure the organization is as patient as you seem to be.

Responding specifically to the OP question of whether he can play Guard or not, we won't know if they don't give him the reps. If Alt is BPA, you have to go with that and deal with the Neal situation in camp.

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 09, 2024, 05:00:31 PMSo... long story short, it's more than one thing.

Pretty much. When was the last time the Giants drafted and developed an OL in the fourth round or later. It's been over 20 years by my count. This is spanning 3 GMs, 5 HCs, and who knows how many OL coaches. But nothing changes. So they're forced to invest high draft picks and big dollars in free agency and they still can't get it right. It's organizational.

True. And it's not just Schoen. The Giants haven't drafted a decent starting OL later in the draft since probably David Diehl. That's 20+ years of failing to find a 4th or 5th round pick who can come in and be a quality starter on the OL.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 09, 2024, 10:43:07 AMNot every signing needs to be a "build for the future" type. There's value in signing very good vets on shorter deals, with much less risk for underperformance and then being locked into a long contract.

His pass coverage grade was 4th-highest in the league last year. Signing Williams would remove the need to draft a CB high this year, giving them one more year to see if Hawkins develops.

Did I say otherwise. Lol, yes some players are signed to play a role for a year or two. Thanks for clarifying that.

Good player but more of a stopgap at age 31. Not the type you build for the future with.

Edit for the individuals here who need more context: not that there's anything wrong with signing an older vet for a year or two.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 08, 2024, 05:17:25 PMI suspect they intend to play Caleb week one. I would think there would be a market for Fields given he still has a year left on his rookie deal. But maybe not.

I was surprised, when the Fields thread came up a while back, that there was talk of the Bears passing on Caleb and drafting a receiver instead, or that they might be able to get a first round pick for Fields. At the time I said I might be interested for a fourth round pick, but not higher.

The discussions happening now make more sense to me. I think you're probably right that there is probably a market for Fields if the Bears are interested in a mid-round pick in return. I think there are QB hungry teams out there that would make that move. I think what Lombardi is hearing is that no one sees Fields as an automatic starter. They likely see him as a guy that could come in and compete or just settle into a QB2 job.

Are we still in the era of draft incompetence that characterized the Reese and Gettleman regimes, where the Giants told the entire world who they wanted? Or is Schoen leveraging misinformation to his advantage?

A few weeks later they drafted Murray and traded Rosen.

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Quote from: Philosophers on February 25, 2024, 07:11:11 PMWell seconds rounds have also produced Michael Strahan, Rob Gronkowski, Derrick Henry, Drew Brees, Brett Favre

getting those guys is like winning the lottery lol. Good luck if that's your plan

Let's not overstate the value of a second round pick. The last three second rounders are JMS, Wandale, and Azeez. Anyone in their right mind would trade those three guys for a legitimate franchise QB prospect.

Second round picks are valuable, but let's not kid ourselves on how much they're actually worth.