Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 28, 2024, 08:24:34 AMAssuming 3 QBs go off 1-2-3, and the Cards took MHJ, that left a pick between Nabers and NYG.  As Gettleman how being a pick away from getting your desired WR (Devanta Smith) works out, when teams know you want him.

But how does making a play for the third pick change this? I highly doubt there was ever a genuine threat of anybody jumping up to still Nabers from them. If anything, the smokescreen was coming from the New England side, who knew they were never moving off the #3 pick, but wanted the rumors out there to try and drum up a Godfather offer from the Giants or Minnesota.

The simplest answer here is that the Giants viewed Drake Maye in a tier above JJ McCarthy so were willing to trade up for Maye but not even take JJ at 6.

Leonard Taylor
Julian Pearl
Fabian Lovett
Michael Pratt
Gabe Hall
Beau Brade

Some of the names still around that I'd love to take a shot on

Quote from: LennG on April 27, 2024, 06:19:04 PMI say average.
Sorry did not address our biggest need QB. Did nothing for our second biggest need solid help on the OL.

Does anyone think our OL is solid? We gave Jones a big piece but what did we do to keep him upright?

I guess our management thinks what we have is good enough.

Did you want the Giants to draft a QB at 6 that they didn't fully believe in? If not, them not taking a QB was  kind of our of their hands. As for O-line, it was our heaviest investment in FA and that's without considering that we got a new OL coach. Our starting OL in week 1 will likely be Thomas, Eleumanor, JMS, Runyan, Neal barring injury.

The defensive secondary was far more of a pressing need. We probably needed DL help more than OL help so if they ignored anything, it was there.

Went with a 4. I really like the players they got with the first five picks but they were all on the outside. Disappointed to not get a DL as it feels like we have a major lack of depth there behind Dex. Would have been interested to see if they would have taken someone like Orhorhoro, Fiske or Newton at 47 if they lasted.

Quote from: madbadger on April 26, 2024, 02:24:20 PMSo you'd be fine burning a second round draft pick on a head case, with an injury history and no proven track record simply because he's on a rookie deal but dropping 15 spots to get a solid NFL starter, who's been a good teammate is a bridge too far?

The Chiefs sent us a compensatory third round pick and a 6th for Toney. He was also less than 2 years removed from being a first round pick and had 2+ years left on his rookie deal. The Chiefs were also one of the few teams where such a gamble made sense. And yes, in a salary cap league, potential talent on a rookie deal is as good as gold. If I'm the Patriots, why am I moving down 13 spots just to get a #3 wide receiver who is holding out for a new contract? The only way I would consider this is if I really didn't like my options at 34.

Quote from: madbadger on April 26, 2024, 01:09:20 PMNo not at all. Slayton is a nice receiver who isn't going to command big money. If he hasn't realized that by now he isn't paying attention. Being a starter in New England has got to be far more preferable than coming off the bench somewhere and if he tries to overplay his hand that's exactly what gonna happen. For the guys telling me I'm dead wrong what did Schoen get for that head case Toney who hadn't, even established himself a being a starter in this league, let alone a third guy?

Slayton is a mid-level wide receiver. He is not a game changing guy, just a solid supplementary piece. No team is moving from 34 to 47 to get that kind of player. The Toney example is completely different because he was in the second year of his rookie deal and under contract for at least 2.5 more years.

Quote from: madbadger on April 26, 2024, 11:39:02 AMThat's true but if they stay at pick 34 there is no guarantee that he will turn into a solid pro and with this trade they get a good receiver who will be good day one and they will have pick 47 to add a lineman or running back to give Maye an even better shot of succeeding. If we have to trade our fourth round pick in return for the Pats fifth round pick to sweeten the pot I won't complain.

I think you are greatly underestimating the value of a rookie contract. It's not just about their immediate impact. It's about the fact that he is a pending FA and whoever you could potentially draft at 34 would be making peanuts relative to what you'd have to pay Slayton and Slayton isn't even a game changer. He's a solid #3 receiver and an ok #2, but you'd be lucky to get a day 3 pick for somebody of that stature.

The Eagles being able to sit back and get, arguably, the best cornerback in the draft when that was their top need is an insane win for them. Thought at least 2-3 corners would have been off the board by that pick. The run on QBs and the Raiders taking Bowers kind of messed things up.

Quote from: madbadger on April 26, 2024, 11:13:48 AMThe Patriots receiver room is bad and Slayton is a solid pro who can start day one for them. Having just used the 3rd pick overall on a quarterback they need to get him veteran help now not next year.

Slayton on the other hand has no future in NY beyond this season so there's a fit both ways and there are a two really good players Kool Aid McKinstry and Jackson Powers-Johnson who play positions of need who won't last to 47.

I would make this trade in a heartbeat, but the Patriots never would. You'd have to add more. There's just way too much wide receiver talent left in this class for the Pats to move back 13 spots just to get a non-elite receiver who is due for a payday.

DT Braden Fiske, DT Kris Jenkins, CB Max Melton and CB Mike Sainristil are a few of the guys I like at 47

Of course the Eagles end up with their choice of all the cornerbacks

Quote from: killarich on April 25, 2024, 09:15:08 PMWere the Jets really a threat to pick a QB ? Why would Minny do this

Broncos and Raiders were probably talking to the Jets too

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 24, 2024, 12:17:06 PMWould the Giants go for the son of another Giants' player?

DT Leonard Taylor III is the son of Lawrence Taylor. He's 6'3"/305 LBs. Could the gene pool play a role here? He says he went to every game his father played in and patterned his life after him. But does he have the same instincts and tenacity of his dad? I don't know

If he does become a Giant, I suspect he will be called LT-3 or just "Jr"

Did Taylor have a bad combine or something? I remember him generally being viewed as a 2nd rounder and borderline first rounder in February, but now seems like he'd be more of a late day 2 or early day 3 pick.

I'd be surprised if the Giants go O-line at 6 unless they see Alt as a guy they can't pass up. But the depth at receiver is one reason why I'd be fine with the Giants trading down.

With the way Washington looked today, there's little excuse for this series to go more than 5 games and that's only if Lindgren can still one for Washington. That team is mediocre at best. Of all the teams fighting for that last spot, they were probably the best draw for us.