I fear the Giants are trapped in the cycle of mediocrity

[MightyGiants]

There are teams that are consistently good and competitive

There are teams that are simply terrible and will constantly get high draft picks only to fail due to poor selections and, more importantly, a lack of development and continuity.  These teams have hope.  If they can fix their fundamental issue, they have the draft capital to turn things around.

Finally, there are teams trapped in the cycle of mediocrity.   They are not bad enough to get the draft capital to draft the truly elite game-changers (although occasionally, they will luck into one).  They are not good enough to break a cycle of being borderline playoff teams to being bad but not terrible teams.  Teams tend to get trapped in this cycle.  They don't get the game-changing players, and they are not bad enough to spur the sort of permanent change that makes the team good.

I feel like that is where the Giants have been trapped since the 2011 Super Bowl.  The Mara's run the team like a mom-and-pop shop with no accountability.  The team let their SB coaching staff go and hasn't properly replaced them.  The medical and player acquisition staff have been sub-par for well over a decade.

I was hoping that a new HC and GM would change things and solve the core issues, but it appears that hasn't happened.   Ronnie Barnes is still the VP of all things medical and the Maras (Chis and their nephew) still have major high-end roles in player acquisition.   As a result, it appears the changes haven't been made.

[True Blue]

There are two constants in this cycle, Barnes and Jones. Barnes still being employed is inexcusable at this point.

[MightyGiants]

There are two constants in this cycle, Barnes and Jones. Barnes still being employed is inexcusable at this point.

The Giants have been bad since 2012.  How exactly is "Jones" (drafted in 2019) a "constant"?

[Rambo89]

There's been a lot of instability.  Think about this let's say the Giants fire Daboll after this season, he would be the 5th coach they've fired in a 9 year period.  It's hard to have any stability or break the cycle of mediocrity if you're always changing coaches.  This is why IMO to break this cycle they need to at least give Daboll the 2024 season regardless of how this season goes.  No one of any quality is going to want a job with a franchise with a reputation of firing coaches once every two seasons.

[uconnjack8]

I think mediocrity is pretty nice.

Outside of 2016 and last year, the team had been atrocious and has had plenty of high draft picks. 

There have been multiple regime changes and overhauls of departments. 

The Giants are not trapped in mediocrity like say the Vikings have been.  They are in a cycle of blown high draft picks and awful team records.

[MightyGiants]

I think mediocrity is pretty nice.

Outside of 2016 and last year, the team had been atrocious and has had plenty of high draft picks. 

There have been multiple regime changes and overhauls of departments. 

The Giants are not trapped in mediocrity like say the Vikings have been.  They are in a cycle of blown high draft picks and awful team records.

This is a compelling counter-point.

[Messiah717]

There seems to be nonexistent talent evaluation leading to constant mediocrity. 

[MightyGiants]

There's been a lot of instability.  Think about this let's say the Giants fire Daboll after this season, he would be the 5th coach they've fired in a 9 year period.  It's hard to have any stability or break the cycle of mediocrity if you're always changing coaches.  This is why IMO to break this cycle they need to at least give Daboll the 2024 season regardless of how this season goes.  No one of any quality is going to want a job with a franchise with a reputation of firing coaches once every two seasons.

Stability is important.  The challenge is knowing what to stand firm on to create that stability.  The product on the field this season makes it tough to say Daboll is the foundation this franchise should be built.

[JT39]

This idea demeans the term mediocrity. We are much worse than that and have been for a long time.

[True Blue]

The Giants have been bad since 2012.  How exactly is "Jones" (drafted in 2019) a "constant"?

Despite most of my focus being on Barnes, you chose to ignore that and just go on the prowl over the golden boy, seriously?

He is on his 3rd HC, 3rd OC, 2nd GM, he has been here 5 years, he is absolutely a constant, sure some of the issues go further back, that is where Barnes comes in, this team year in and year our constantly has encountered a litany of injuries.

They need to move on and upgrade both of those guys, get a real OL coach too. No reason they have invested so much in this line and it still sucks. Two 1s, a 2 and 3, and several later picks, some of these guys may be busts, but how much of it is OL coaching?

[Messiah717]

Stability is important.  The challenge is knowing what to stand firm on to create that stability.  The product on the field this season makes it tough to say Daboll is the foundation this franchise should be built.

The lack of discipline and seemingly never being prepared to play falls directly on the coaching staff.  Daboll needs to worry about getting a handle on that first and foremost.  This will become more difficult when they're looking at very likely being 1-5.

[MightyGiants]

Despite most of my focus being on Barnes, you chose to ignore that and just go on the prowl over the golden boy, seriously?

He is on his 3rd HC, 3rd OC, 2nd GM, he has been here 5 years, he is absolutely a constant, sure some of the issues go further back, that is where Barnes comes in, this team year in and year our constantly has encountered a litany of injuries.

They need to move on and upgrade both of those guys, get a real OL coach too. No reason they have invested so much in this line and it still sucks

You are basing your commentary on a false premise.  Jones was terrible last night; he was seeing ghosts.  It looks like the Giants have broken him.  What is being missed in your zeal to crucify Daniel Jones is the reality that Eli Manning suffered a similar fate during this period.

[expatriot]

The Giants are looking up at mediocrity.  They aspire to get there some day.

[Rambo89]

Stability is important.  The challenge is knowing what to stand firm on to create that stability.  The product on the field this season makes it tough to say Daboll is the foundation this franchise should be built.

Then you're never going to get anyone of any quality to take this job again with that much instability.

You are basing your commentary on a false premise.  Jones was terrible last night; he was seeing ghosts.  It looks like the Giants have broken him.  What is being missed in your zeal to crucify Daniel Jones is the reality that Eli Manning suffered a similar fate during this period.

The difference is Eli Manning was at the end of his career with declining skills.  Daniel Jones is in his 5th season which is supposed to be entering the prime of a QB's career.  So it's not exactly the same situation.

[MightyGiants]

Then you're never going to get anyone of any quality to take this job again with that much instability.

The difference is Eli Manning was at the end of his career with declining skills.  Daniel Jones is in his 5th season which is supposed to be entering the prime of a QB's career.  So it's not exactly the same situation.

Eli Manning was just 32 when he won his second Super Bowl MVP.  Hardly an age where QBs start to decline