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Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on Today at 01:47:47 PMFlott has had 3 years to add muscle and weight. Yet, he is still being judged by his 19-year-old college body. That's the one thing that never gets fixed on the internet...they stick with the last documented weight, speed, strength, etc., which usually comes from the combine or the player's pro-day. Virtually none of the guys at 25/26 could duplicate the numbers they put up in a combine (except strength). Three years in the NFL changes a player in every way imaginable. And speed doesn't get better; however, ability to anticipate and read what is unfolding during a play gets much better

Flott has good instincts and has a football mind. Give him a chance to prove himself before relying on college data that no longer applies. Pretty much dittos with every player in the NFL. Hence the reason so many players who get drafted fail in the NFL...they didn't prepare themselves physically, mentally, and possess the personal drive for taking the next step in their athletic career...and it's a damn big step

On Giants.com he is listed at 6'2" and 175 pounds.  Not a better source than that.  That's rail thin.

It went from 2-0 to 2-2 really quickly.  Dont love that.

Quote from: Trench on Today at 02:58:20 PMAnd he had fast feet. Eyes wide open and scared look, locked on every receiver and made horrible decisions. You can attempt to defend it that's fine by me, but he looked overmatched and nervous.

What do you expect? QB behavior changes when trust in OL breaks down.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 11:11:35 AMI am not sure what the point of that extreme binary question is.   Are you suggesting the offense wouldn't have looked significantly better with their two most important players healthy?

Guys - almost all of the pressure in the Dallas game came from the right side of the OL.  Thomas and Waller would not have mattered.  Neal got destroyed by 9 tech edges and 5-7 tech twists.

For the Giants to be successful, they can't be a one read offense due to poor pass blocking.  If OL blocks successfully then DJ must read everything and let it fly.

Theo Johnson has a great opportunity to leapfrog Bellinger who showed nothing last season.  Be healthy, be a beast blocking and be a threat all over the field. 

I am not going to focus on all these training moments.  Gets way overhyped.

I'll pay attention to more finished products at the end of August.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 09:25:47 AMWe were told that, yes, by pundits and draftnik types. None of us actually scouted the guy. And by scouting I mean actually going to visits, workouts, interviews, watching Alabama games standing on the sideline, reviewing high school tape, talking to his coaches, talking to opposing coaches, etc. We didn't do the work. The Giants did. The Giants decided they wanted to prioritize Thibodeaux over having the first O line pick in that draft. Would they have taken Ekwonu over Neal? We'll never know that. But their course of action is still their responsibility.

Also what about all his other O line decisions? Why does it just come down to Neal? He could have still done a lot better with the O line than he has, even with the bust Neal pick.

JMS has not looked like a good center yet as a 2nd round pick.  Even if Neal improves, JMS needs a big jump as well.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 11, 2024, 04:10:17 PMFlott is a backup at best on a good team. I'm putting my money on Hawkins having a breakout season.

I also believe Hawkins starts when the season starts.

Look at how close many of those differences are yet produce big differences in RAS.

Quote from: Gmo11 on May 11, 2024, 05:33:21 PMI would agree with that. But I'd add that Neal was a no brainer pick that any GM in the league (save Gettleman) would have taken in that spot and if he had turned out to be even serviceable that changes things in my opinion. If Neal was good the team would be much better off overall, although they'd still have a QB problem I suppose.

I dont agree that every GM would have taken Neal.  Possible another passes because of his lack of testing or looks at data or does interviews differently.

Would every GM have drafted Saquon and his more obvious talent out of college than Neal?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 11, 2024, 03:04:35 PMFlott's 4.52 40 time is also a bit on the slow side by CB standards.

Maybe not strong enough to press and tie up then recover to chase.

Flott is rail thin.  Good for DeVonta Smith but not big WR

My observation from last year's camp was a woefully under prepared team that had not had enough live full contact practices.

I hope that changes.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 11, 2024, 11:12:38 AMThe problem with the chargers wasn't talent, they had talent but they were habitually injured and Ekeler hit a wall the end of 2022.

True I forgot about that.  I think their backups were better though.  Coaching had been their biggest problem.