Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 06:00:49 PM"It's not personal, it's business."

and @Jclayton92


The NFL Players Association told the Denver Broncos in a November letter that their threat to bench quarterback Russell Wilson if he refused to alter an injury guarantee in his contract was illegal, violated the CBA and could result in legal action against the team, a league source confirmed to The Athletic.

https://theathletic.com/5171778/2023/12/31/broncos-russell-wilson-nflpa/


The letter, sent by a law firm on behalf of the NFLPA and first reported by the Washington Post, said that if the Broncos "follow through on the Club's threat, the Club will violate, among other things, the Collective Bargaining Agreement, Mr. Wilson's Player Contract and New York law."

The letter added that Wilson and the NFLPA "reasonably anticipate arbitration and/or litigation against the Broncos."

The Broncos did not bench Wilson in the aftermath of the meeting about his contract. The 35-year-old veteran started the next seven games, the last of which was a 26-23 loss to the New England Patriots on Christmas Eve that put Denver's playoff hopes in peril.

On Wednesday, the team announced Stidham would start the final two games. Coach Sean Payton, who said Friday he was "not privy" to discussions about Wilson's contract between the quarterback and the team, said the decision was made solely for football reasons after a four-game stretch in which the Broncos went 1-3 and Wilson's play declined.

The #Giants signed DB David Long Jr.

26-year-old, 5'11, 196-pound CB w/ 96 career tackles, 6 PBUs, and 2 interceptions.

He entered the draft out of Michigan in 2019. He had a 98th-percentile 3-Cone (6.45 👀) and a 90th-percentile short-shuttle (3.97).

Long has 964 career snaps out wide and 275 inside at slot. He spent 2019-2022 with the Rams before bouncing around with the Raiders, Panthers, and Packers last season.

https://x.com/nickfalato/status/1785772809236459597?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

The New York Giants today signed free agent defensive back David Long Jr., who is entering his sixth season in the NFL.
Long, 5-11 and 196 pounds, was originally a third-round draft choice by the Rams in 2019. He spent his first four seasons with Los Angeles before playing for three teams (Raiders, Panthers, and Packers) in 2023.
Overall, Long has appeared in 66 regular-season games with 12 starts. His career numbers include 97 tackles, eight passes defensed, and an interception. He has also played in six postseason games with one start, which occurred in the Rams' victory over the Bengals in Super Bowl LVI.

https://www.giants.com/news/david-long-jr-defensive-back-los-angeles-rams-raiders-panthers-packers-nfl-free-agency

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on Today at 03:39:57 PMGettleman got outmaneuvered by Philly who moved up to take Devonta Smith and then couldn't pivot off the pre-planned approach (take a WR in the first round) to either of those two players you mentioned.

The irony is if Gettleman had just drafted Parsons (and assuming the Giants were able to manage Parsons as we as Dallas) or if DG grabbed Slater, no one would have ever talked about the Eagles outmaneuvering the Giants.

It was the outmaneuver combined with the terrible pick of Toney in the trade-down (along with squandering the first-round pick they got on Neal) that made things look so bad

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 03:47:56 PMThey did that with Wilson last year. Football is cut throat I think people are adult enough to realize that and accept it for what it is a shrewd buisness decision.

Didn't they sit Wilson rather than try and get him to waive his injury guarantee?

I always look forward to these podcasts as Carl is a wealth of both football knowledge, and he is about as inside the building as an insider can get



Carl Banks and Bob Papa are back on the mic discussing the 2024 NFL Draft and its first-round pick, Malik Nabers. They dive into his potential impact on quarterback Daniel Jones and the rest of the offense. Carl highlights the team's strategic offseason moves, including addressing critical areas such as the defensive backfield, wide receivers, and offensive line and adding depth to the running back room. The episode concludes with some NY Rangers talk, LGR

https://x.com/clt_ny/status/1785749634545000448

Quote from: Trench on Today at 02:20:15 PMIt will be interesting to see if this new defense generates more pressure also

From what I have heard, Bowen prefers to try and generate his pressure from his front four, while Wink likes to generate it via blitzes and extra rushers.   So in theory we should see more production from the D-line and edge players

Quote from: Trench on Today at 12:59:22 PMRich,

I'm not very familiar with our new defensive system but my question is knowing what you know of it, do you think Boogie will be a good fit or a surprise this year?

I think Boogie might be a better fit in Bowen's defense in the 3-4 DE role.  Wink tended to sub out his DEs (for an edge, second DT, or another DB).  It's possible Boogie could be the DE (with Thibs or Burns being the other DE) and on obvious passing downs you have Burns and Thibs as the DEs

@Jclayton92 and @Ed Vette

How would agents view Schoen if he tried to force a renegotiation of an injury guarantee?   While I have seen players be asked to take pay cuts or be cut, I have not witnessed a team try to renegotiate a guarantee.  There seems to be an unwritten rule (I am not fully versed; it might even be a written rule) that guarantees money in contracts.

Do you think that might hurt Schoen in future contract negotiations?

https://x.com/GiantInsider/status/1785725747320996267

Quote from: AZGiantFan on Today at 01:19:09 PMI think a bigger question is how much the ACL affects his running ability, since that's a big part of his game.  A neck injury that only keeps him out 3 weeks doesn't seem that threatening, to me.  But what do I know?

I think the ACL will hamper Jones, especially at the beginning of the season.  The one thing I remain hopeful about is that Jones' running tends to be more of a straight-line runner than a quarterback who does a lot of juking.

@Jolly Blue Giant

Looking at the PFF grades, I think there could be some validity to suggestions that he wasn't a good fit for Wink's system




Boogie came into the league at 6' 3" and 275 pounds, which doesn't scream 3-tech (too light)


I also looked at his NFL.com scouting report.   One thing that was sort of interesting was this:

"He's a big dude, but he's also carrying some extra weight and will need to lean down a little bit or he's going to end up eating himself inside." -- Personnel director for NFC team

You can read the rest of his write-up here

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/boogie-basham/32004241-5314-1481-9904-6347892079b0

Quote from: sxdxca38 on Today at 11:45:54 AMHopefully DJ has a bounce back year and this injury thing is simply a moot point.

IF   DJ was being completely honest about his second neck injury just being a routine stinger (and implying it had nothing to do with his prior )neck injury

IF the Giants can properly protect DJ, there is a reasonable chance he can avoid another major injury