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I heard a good comp for Tracy Jr the other day, and it was Cordarelle Patterson. A RB2 that can give you 600 yards rushing, 200 yards receiving, and handle kickoff duties.

People criminally underestimate the value Tyrod brought to the team.

Quote from: BluesCruz on May 27, 2024, 03:48:37 PMLOL ok whatever.....Taylor had the best arm of the bunch but had decision issues.
I don't get the non-issue part though

Do you see Tyrod returning somehow?  The Buffalo guys loved Tyrod and grossly overpaid him

You have no idea what you are talking about. Tyrod Taylor led the NFL in BTTR last year. Meaning he completed the hardest throws with the highest value of any qb in the league last year.

It's the reason that Devito was benched. Tyrod Taylor was easily the best option we had and it wasn't close analytically.

1st graph shows just how good tyrod was vs the league in big time throws.

2nd graph shows EPA after being adjusted for how bad a qbs pass protection, skill players etc and you can see how big of a difference Tyrod was vs Devito.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 27, 2024, 12:25:25 PMOnce again I'm sure you're a nice person in real life, but let's think about this.

The reason why Tom Brady was able to start at QB was because Drew Bledsoe got injured. If Bledsoe never got injured, Brady never would have played.

If BB had started a 6th rd pick in Brady over Bledsoe in 2001 he would have been fired.

The same applies to Devito.

If Daboll and Schoen bench DJ for Devito, an undrafted player, and have him start the season and he fails it would be a fireable offense, and there is no way Daboll and Schoen would do that.

They already benched Devito last year for Taylor so it's a non-issue.

Quote from: BluesCruz on May 27, 2024, 07:37:18 AMLets hope that does not happen.  Do you really want to hang your hat on Jones and Drew Lock?   Last year I believe DeVito pretty much ran the team in pre-season.  He started 6-7 more games during the season.   In that respect he is our most seasoned QB using 2023  data. 

He looks the part out there.  Jones looked tentative and lost before injury. He. basically could not move the team downfield.   I have no idea what Lock brings to the party.

There is definitely a bias towards tall, strong QBs- Tom Brady, Josh Allen, Eli Manning types.  That overlooks the fact Joe Montana, Drew Brees, Dan Marino, and Fran Tarkenton were not overly tall and populate the top 10 QBs of all time list.

In todays NFL you sink or swim with the QB.  I'd prefer to not sink because of tall man bias.

Drew Lock smashed Devito in almost every single analytical measure last year.  Hence why we signed him.

We should have hired spags and paired a Kyle Shanahan or someone like that as his OC so that spags could just focus on defense.

Flott is not going to wow in practice but he's a gamer. I don't remember if I've seen him make egregious errors or be called out by the announce team. He's kinda like J Love in that he doesn't do anything special but just a good ball player.

The two biggest stats for me this season for the QB position will be EPA and BTTR. If those two go up we will likely win some games.

Quote from: BluesCruz on May 24, 2024, 03:23:41 PMI don't understand the drew lock acquisition

Tommy has already proven he can carry the team if asked

Lock on the other hand has proved nothing in the NFL

Devito carried a water bottle to the bench with him at the end of last season.

Quote from: Philosophers on May 25, 2024, 06:04:08 PMIsn't 29% really high?

Yeah but I don't know if it's relative to games played that season because he started less than most.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 24, 2024, 11:33:54 PMWe've seen the horrific stats about the amount of time DJ has had to throw before pressured or sacked, and I wonder if anyone can find those stats for his rookie year. 

For the hell of it I just watched a video of his rookie highlights and while granting they were highlights he was doing a lot of things that he supposedly now can't do - throwing the ball down the field, throwing guys open, putting the ball into tight spots, hitting guys in stride so they could get YAC, etc.  But I also noticed that his protection seemed to hold up better than it did in 2023, which seems to have been a tipping point. 

So I wonder if he really did have more time in the pocket in his rookie year or if that impression was just an artifact of watching a highlight video.  I do know that his rookie OL gave up just over half the number of sacks than the 2023 OL but I'd really like to compare those 'time to pressure' stats if anyone has them.

BTW, watching that video reminded me of what a beast Golden Tate was in getting YAC.  And how good Sterling Sharpe was back then.

2.5 with a pressure rate of 29%

Quote from: Philosophers on May 24, 2024, 11:00:20 AMBelton has always seemed ill-suited to play any type of free safety role.  He played the Cash (hybrid LB/SS) role in college.  I see him and Pinnock as more similar players therefore I believe Nubin will eventually replace Belton.

They are just making him earn it.

What is perplexing is McCloud ending last season as cb2 along with flott in the slot but now they're switched. McCloud is stiff but with this d you have to have a slot that can tackle.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 24, 2024, 01:41:34 PMI'm not as down on Neal as some.  He had injury issues, was adjusting to moving to the right side, and had a terrible position coach.  That's a lot for a young man to overcome.

Not to mention having mckethan or whatever warm body was next to him.

Neither Kafka or Daboll can run the offense they want because of personnel.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 23, 2024, 07:44:14 PMNeal should get one more opportunity to be a productive NFL RT. But that's it. This is year three, and the guy was a consensus top 10 pick. It's sink or swim time, and I frankly wouldn't give him much rope at all this year given we now have a competent RT in Eleumenor. If he starts at RT in week one, I would not keep him in for more than a couple games if he is bad again.

In fact, as I said in another thread about a month ago, it is not even clear to me why Neal should be some preordained lock to start at the position. The guy has been nothing short of awful at it for two years now. Eleumenor was solid last year at RT on the Raiders. Why is it a lock that Neal should start in even week one?

I thought we wanted to make things as favorable as possible for DJ, not try to cling to an agenda of making a hitherto draft bust work out.

I believe if the season started tomorrow and they didn't feel comfortable rolling with Neal, that Matt Nelson would get the nod at RT and Eluemunor would stay where he is.

It was confirmed last week and I posted it in another thread that Neal was significantly injured even while playing his rookie and sophomore campaign. They beat writer that was speaking on it said in practices and games he had personnel mention to him that Neal could barely move or couldn't move well bc of injury and everyone in the know could tell. That he still wanted to be out there even though he was badly injured.

With that now out and the combination of a new Oline coach, Stability at RG, him getting good reps before Injury last season, and him being completely healthy I think we get a substantially better Neal.