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Quote from: babywhales on Today at 04:03:19 PMTake the 12 mill saved on a Post June 1 cut and go get someone that could be more impactful.  14mill for 500 yards and 1 TD isn't worth it

Who though? There aren't legions of good players just sitting around looking for someone to pick them up, and what sort of production would have been acceptable considering what an absolute train wreck our quarterback situation was last year?

Quote from: B1GBLUE on Today at 04:17:30 PMi think its just more they were in a position to get their next guy, rather than being completely done with jones. jones is halfway through a lackluster career, and has had some serious injuries in that time. i think they are more concerned about him staying healthy than his play, which probably isnt far behind. a contingency plan has to be put in place at this point

But they weren't in a position to get their next guy--that would have been top-3. They tried to manufacture a way to get the next QB via a trade. While I agree with you that health is a serious concern, I do not dismiss Jones's ineffective play. Daboll's sideline frustrations and comments in post-game pressers do not reflect a coaching staff content with Jones's production on the field when healthy. Trading up for a top-3 QB prospect at the expense of future draft capital is not just a "contingency plan," that is a (potentially costly) attempt at moving on. Drew Lock is the injury contingency plan.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 09:07:00 AMI think the team will be pushing Flott out to the boundary to compete with McCloud and Hawkins for CB 2 with Phillips being the team's new slot CB.

hawkins certainly has some of the traits you look for, and looked pretty good at times last year. he also played like a rookie at times which is completely fine. if he can take that next step, we are in good shape.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on April 29, 2024, 10:28:08 PMI find it interesting many here are still couching things as "fans" being "done with" Jones, ignoring the fact that the front office literally (and in a well-documented manner) just attempted to pay a huge price to jump up three spots to move on from him. Jones very well might have a better year in 2024, but unless he's magically an MVP candidate, his time with the Giants will end after his current contract.

i think its just more they were in a position to get their next guy, rather than being completely done with jones. jones is halfway through a lackluster career, and has had some serious injuries in that time. i think they are more concerned about him staying healthy than his play, which probably isnt far behind. a contingency plan has to be put in place at this point

Quote from: Uncle Mickey on Today at 09:11:43 AMSOme may not agree but I think this draft will have 4 maybe more who become positive to strong contributors to the team and a few day 1 starters. I think we bring in a vet CB and this team will hinge on DJ. If he is the real deal then this team will surprise.

i think we should def look at getting a vet cb, and maybe another olineman, (and depending on what happens with waller, maybe a te)

we dont have the gaping holes we normally have. they can be filled fairly easy

If we could pick more than one option, I'd click both 3T and boundary corner, as I see them equally important...probably the 3T more, just because we didn't draft any (maybe Casey Rogers will surprise  ). Unfortunately, this draft had some good 3Ts, but they were gone fast. We might have been able to get Wingo (not sure when he went, but it was much later than expected). I was hoping for Myles Cole who is listed as an ER, but was 6'5/295 and went late (7th rd to Jacksonville). I thought he could be groomed for 3T because of his size and being a successful ER

I would like a proven boundary corner, but also would like to see Flott and Hawkins III get plenty of reps to grow into the position. They don't learn the finer nuances of the position from the bench or in front of a white board. Still, a proven vet would be nice...especially if we were "going for it" this year (which I don't think we are)

I'm pretty happy where we're at and hope Daboll will allow the rookies to get their lumps by playing them. They need as much on-field experience as possible. It requires delayed gratification, which is in short supply among most fans, but I'm all for it. I'm not expecting a run for the Lombardi and would rather lose a couple of games we could have won, but got rookies plenty of time in the game

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 03:56:58 PMHe is a player who can't stay healthy (only 12 games last season) and is often not 100% due to injury.  He is also a player whose stats and play are declining with age.

Yet those declining stats and play are still top-10 in the league on a per-game basis amongst TEs. His PFF grade was top-half (with gadget players like Taysom Hill above him skewing that ranking). And the Giants showed no ability to replace that production in his absence. Bellinger couldn't replicate it and I'm not confident a 4th round rookie manages to do so in his first season. So in the best interest of whoever the Giants' QB is in 2024, I'd give Waller time.

Quote from: madbadger on Today at 02:59:27 PMHe's the best tight end on the roster and it isn't close. If we're looking to free up money who would it be for, and would they do more to help us win next year than Walker if he plays? Or are you thinking about next years draft picks and are hoping we start ejecting dead "weight" in preparation for next year.

Take the 12 mill saved on a Post June 1 cut and go get someone that could be more impactful.  14mill for 500 yards and 1 TD isn't worth it

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 03:45:45 PMIt really depends on how stats are used.  If used properly, they can be quite helpful in learning things and double-checking things.   

"If used properly" to me is just a fancy way of saying "cherry picking" to illustrate a point or to back up one's belief. For every stat used to help Jones, we use other stats to dismiss the production of a guy like Waller.

Nothing beats the true test of performance under great pressure and elevating a team. That said, I am torn on bringing back Waller.  See the positives but the cap space could help too.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on Today at 03:53:11 PMIs it because his pay is inconsistent with his level of production?

He is a player who can't stay healthy (only 12 games last season) and is often not 100% due to injury.  He is also a player whose stats and play are declining with age.

QuoteAnd who exactly is going to replace Waller's production?

Bellinger and Theo Johnson

QuoteIf it was that easy to replace, why did Bellinger not do so when Waller was out?

Bellinger seemed to suffer a sophomore slump.  Hopeful he rounds back into his rookie form.