Quote from: T200 on May 08, 2024, 10:45:15 AMI understand your point, Rich.
My point is that despite his being 10th in separation yards, that statistic did not contribute to his issues. If he had held onto the majority of the passes thrown his way, 1) he'd probably still be a Giant, and 2) his separation yards would not be discussed.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 08, 2024, 10:40:30 AMTim,I understand your point, Rich.
When the Giants drafted Engram in round one, Reese talked about how he was going to be nearly impossible to cover with that 4.42 speed. Yet, if you look at NFL's Next Gen stats, while Engram is the fastest (or top 3), his separation yardage puts him around 10th among NFL TEs.
That was my issue. Engram was always undersized, and his hands were suspect, but we were sold on the idea that LBs and Safeties (who usually cover TEs) would never stand a chance against him (because of that 4.42 speed).
Here is a link to Next Gen Stats if you are interested.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving/2021/REG/all#average-separation
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on May 08, 2024, 10:37:33 AMYour conclusion about Engram may well-indeed be correct, but it's not supported by the 10-yard split metric and I think its pretty clear.
Quote from: Philosophers on May 08, 2024, 10:33:06 AMI believe if DJ is top 10 but Giants are sub 0.500 he'll return in 2025.
Quote from: T200 on May 08, 2024, 10:33:27 AMI don't recall a single fan complaining about Engram's speed when he was here. It was his hands.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 08, 2024, 10:28:11 AMYou are dealing with small numbers at 10 yards so even 0.1 is significant. I hope you appreciate that while Egram's 10 yard split wasn't "bad" by RAS standards, what it is is slower than what one would expect from a 4.42 40 and shows Engram's acceleration wasn't that good, which is why he hasn't played like one would expect a TE with a 4.42 40 to play
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 08, 2024, 10:28:11 AMYou are dealing with small numbers at 10 yards so even 0.1 is significant. I hope you appreciate that while Egram's 10 yard split wasn't "bad" by RAS standards, what it is is slower than what one would expect from a 4.42 40 and shows Engram's acceleration wasn't that good, which is why he hasn't played like one would expect a TE with a 4.42 40 to playI don't recall a single fan complaining about Engram's speed when he was here. It was his hands.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 07, 2024, 12:40:54 PMDoes anyone believe if Jones plays like a top 10 QB but the team has a losing season, the Giants will not pursue QB in next year's draft (assuming there is a good one and they are in a realistic position to acquire him).
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on May 08, 2024, 10:25:09 AMYes, I guess it would place him 4th... by .01 seconds: