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In some ways I think the Eagles could be the greatest of the Giants rivals (edging out Dallas).  The reason I say that is there have been more odd and big plays going against the Giants when they play the Eagles than any team I could think of.  Plus the Giants and Eagles often have been good at the same time. 

10/15/2007 New York Giants Atlanta Falcons A Georgia Dome (Atlanta, GA) W 31-10 69,828

I believe that was a BBH meetup at FishKill NY.  A bunch of BBHers met at a bar and enjoyed this victory in the "Giants room".   Dasher Dale treated us all to t-shirts and I got to meet many BBHers for the first time.  Great game and great times.

Welcome aboard GillinghamGiant, we have a few fans from the UK

BayArea, impressive background would love to hear more of your thoughts on topics

Bravo!   

Quote from: frank zappa on July 20, 2014, 08:20:28 PM
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Welcome to BBH!    There's a guy Weeze that is into race cars

The lack of height takes away the killer Goal line fade.  That's a pattern former DB Matt Bowen says is nearly impossible to defend.   As for the X needing to be tall, I want to see how Beckham does.  I believe it's possible for a shorter WR to play the position if he is a gifted route runner with the agility and body control to beat the initial press.

I have a feeling this could be a topic of conversation come training camp as the Giants try to set their WR lineup.  Just listened to Ross Tucker's Podcast where Greg Cosell, an NFL analyst and a senior producer at NFL Films, discussed the difference between the WR positions.  You can listen to it here (It's RTFP #60 starting starting at 14:25):

http://podcastone.com/Ross-Tucker-Football-Podcast

From my own research over the years I could describe the positions like this:

X Receiver or Split End-  This is usually a team's number one WR.  He is usually tethered to the line of scrimmage and lined up on the weakside (the side without the TE) of the formation.  There are two things about that position.  Because he can't move (he is a LOS guy) and he is right on that line he frequently faces press coverage.  That means he needs to be strong enough or have the quickness and body control to beat that press coverage.   Defenses will also tend to play M2M coverage on him.  So if he can consistently beat M2M coverage he gives your offense a real edge as teams will need to roll a safety to his side to assist. 

The Z receiver or Flanker-  This guy has to line up off the LOS (otherwise the TE is not an eligible receiver) on the strongside of the formation.  As a result of lining off the line he can go in motion and he has room to try and beat press coverage.  As a result this receiver can be a smaller receiver and often the routes he runs will be ones that set up yards after the catch situations.  He will often work combo routes so being a smarter receiver is an asset.  A Z can really enjoy a lot of receptions if the team has good X receiver that demands the defense's attention.  This position will often be called on to do more run blocking. 

The Slot receiver or H receiver-  This receiver lines up inside off the line of scrimmage and can go in motion.  Often the receiver will run his route based on coverage and the route run by other receivers.  So football smarts is key.  The slot guy needs to be able to find the weakness of the defensive coverage.  Most slot receivers tend to be on the smaller size as they rarely will face press coverage and usually don't run routes where size will help (although there are notable exceptions).  Again yards after the catch is often an important part of this receiver's abilities. 

When you look at the Giants receiving corps:

Victor Cruz-  Has shown to be a solid slot WR and good as a Z receiver.   Not an X receiver by any stretch of the imagination

Ruben Randle-  Has the size to be an X receiver.  I don't think he has shown the ability to consistently beat man coverage though.

Odell Beckham-  He is your prototypical Z receiver.  Has great YAC ability and the speed to stretch the field in route combinations.  He would also most likely do well in the slot position.   The interesting thing is he was drafted with people assuming he would replace Nicks (who played the X position).  I am not sure at Beckham's size he will have the ability to consistently beat press coverage.  That will be something to watch in camp and in PS games as it could go a long way to how the Giants use their WRs.   After all of Beckham could play the X then Cruz can go Z and JJ could come in and play slot (his prefered position)

I think Manningham is pretty much just a Z receiver.    I think Julian Talley is a backup X or Z guy. 

If the Giants go safety I want one of the guys over 6 foot.   Under 6 foot would seem like a match up problem with TEs and the tall WRs

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Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2014, 08:09:18 AM
This is one of the shortest QB draft classes I can remember.

"Shortest" in height or depth at the position?

I meant height but both work


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This is one of the shortest QB draft classes I can remember. 

What are you thoughts on STORM JOHNSON Ceri?

Lorenzo Talliaferro sounds like an intriguing prospect and as you said a nice safety net if one of the better prospects don't fall to the Giants with their other day 3 picks

Quote from: UKGiantsFan on April 26, 2014, 07:42:02 AM

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2014, 07:34:25 AM
It would surprise me to see the Giants pick up Demarcus Lawrence in the second round.  They have interviewed him and he seems to be an ideal fit for the Giants Joker position.

More often than not the Giants bring in guys they have questions about more so than those they like. Lawrence's three suspensions and John Mara's statement about not taking chances high in the draft seem like a clash to me. Obviously they will have done some digging and know exactly what those suspensions are for but he doesn't sound like a TC guy to me. Attacochu not only appears to be a TC guy but also very much the type of prospect that Reese and Ross like

Ceri,

Seems to me there are two things that make a player a gamble, character and injury.   Attacochu seems to be the latter.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the Giants pick up Demarcus Lawrence in the second round.  They have interviewed him and he seems to be an ideal fit for the Giants Joker position.

Quote from: 4tmechamps on April 19, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
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Please do not kill me but I am also a Dolphins fan.

Welcome!  No harm in being a Fin fan.  In fact these days I think the proper response would be sympathy.