Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Gmo11 on April 26, 2024, 09:58:27 PMWhether they draft an OL or a RB or another WR in the 3rd round they are still going to be stuck with Jones which limits how effective that offense can really be.  There are no limits to how good this defense could be though.  They needed a safety and they got the best one in the draft.  They needed a CB so they got one of those.  You hit the nail on the head:  Their best chance to win games next season is going to be to win them 14-10.

Why do posters take a short term view of the draft? This draft isn't about next year, it's about the next 5-7 years. Jones is gone at the end of next year. It would be nice to have a competent offense ready to go for the next guy....

I don't get it. Coming into the draft the defense was clearly better than the offense and we chose to use three of our first four picks to add to the defense. I guess they're just lanning on winning games 14-10. Not knocking adding Burns, Nubin or Phillips. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2024, 08:31:48 PMThere are a few veterans that are still unsigned if needed

Sure but none of them are considered long term fixes. You hope with the second round pick to get a starter that hangs around through his second contract.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on April 26, 2024, 05:49:14 PMBelichick compared Alt to a young Nate Solder. In his prime Solder was good but never dominant.

On the other hand, I think Nabers has a chance to be another Antonio Brown. If he can keep his head on straight, he's going to be a force.

For me Nabers is the easy choice.

In fairness he was talking about his physical dimensions.

I guess that means that they aren't as concerned at corner as the fans are. He's a really good safety even if he's a rodent.

When I read stories about young athletes passing it's always incredibly sad. I hope for his family's sake that it was of natural causes. Losing someone that young is soul crushing to loved ones. Losing someone that young to drugs or suicide is it's own special type of hell.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on April 26, 2024, 02:17:11 PMSlayton is a mid-level wide receiver. He is not a game changing guy, just a solid supplementary piece. No team is moving from 34 to 47 to get that kind of player. The Toney example is completely different because he was in the second year of his rookie deal and under contract for at least 2.5 more years.

So you'd be fine burning a second round draft pick on a head case, with an injury history and no proven track record simply because he's on a rookie deal but dropping 15 spots to get a solid NFL starter, who's been a good teammate is a bridge too far?

Quote from: londonblue on April 26, 2024, 01:12:04 PMI'd only consider it for DeJean or McKinstry and only if we have clean medical evaluations on them. We have bigger needs at CB/NCB than G IMO.

Maybe but none of us knows how the staff feel about Flott and Hawkins. If they really like the both of them than we don't really have a need do we?

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 26, 2024, 01:11:17 PMI've watched a lot of film on him and visited other boards. Two teams have been aggressively discussing why he's the perfect fit for their team (Cowboys and Eagles). Cowboy fans want to pair him with Parsons, and Eagles biggest needs are all in the defensive backfield and need a LB who can get to the QB after losing Reddick

Personally, I don't want my team facing him twice a year and watching him terrorize us

We seem to lead the league in games missed by starters due to injury. Drafting a player who has suffered two significant knee injuries is a pretty good of making sure we remain at the top of that list regardless of when the injuries occurred. IMHO he isn't worth the risk. You think he is. We'll see how he works out for whoever drafts him.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on April 26, 2024, 12:28:28 PMI think you are greatly underestimating the value of a rookie contract. It's not just about their immediate impact. It's about the fact that he is a pending FA and whoever you could potentially draft at 34 would be making peanuts relative to what you'd have to pay Slayton and Slayton isn't even a game changer. He's a solid #3 receiver and an ok #2, but you'd be lucky to get a day 3 pick for somebody of that stature.

No not at all. Slayton is a nice receiver who isn't going to command big money. If he hasn't realized that by now he isn't paying attention. Being a starter in New England has got to be far more preferable than coming off the bench somewhere and if he tries to overplay his hand that's exactly what gonna happen. For the guys telling me I'm dead wrong what did Schoen get for that head case Toney who hadn't, even established himself a being a starter in this league, let alone a third guy?

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 26, 2024, 01:00:47 PMHe'll never last to the 5th. His injury history is not recent, but back in his HS and early college career. He's healthy now, but of course there's a risk. He's dynamic! Micah Parsons dynamic. Paired with Okereke would make a devastating backside to the DL. His speed, instant acceleration, ridiculous athleticism, uncanny nose for the ball, and vicious tackling are elite. If not for his injuries a few years ago, he'd be in the top 15 in the draft. Even with the injuries, he's been ranked as high as 17th on some boards. He's a once-in-a-lifetime LB. Is he worth the risk? I believe so

I've seen him go from the right sideline, all the way to the left sideline to tackle a RB (see attached clip). I've seen him chase down X-receivers on breakaways. And his ability to laser-focus to the ball is uncanny. He is going to be a legend in the NFL

I didn't say he'd last till the fifth. I said I wouldn't pick him till the fifth. A big difference, no?

Quote from: uconnjack8 on April 26, 2024, 12:18:19 PMI don't disagree and love Powers-Johson.  I think he could turn a position into a strength rather than an adequate player. Right now there is still a bunch of question marks outside of Thomas

Just not sure that Schoen and company will prioritize IOL over some other needs. I assume they have some confidence in the guys they signed.

One of the things that is liberating about being as bad as we were last year is that you could pick any position and improve your team. It's just a question of how the Giants feel about fixing the quarterback going forward. As we stand today the defense is clearly more talented than the offense. Corner and DT make sense here too but they've already used our second round pick to greatly improve this defense. Using a second round pick to improve the offense is reasonable IMHO.

Quote from: GloryDays on April 26, 2024, 12:05:58 PMThere are a bunch of Receivers still available, like McConkey (I can't believe no one took him yet!) that have a pretty high floor and much more upside than Slayton. The only reason they would consider that is if they are eying a different position and they think that player should be there at 47.

You're missing the point. Other the JuJu Smith Schuster they have no starting caliber receivers in that room. The draft is so deep at receiver that there will still be a good receiver available at 47. If they make this trade and draft a receiver at 47 they can give Maye three guys to work with. If they don't they won't. Hopefully teams are learning from the Giants that it's a fools errand to draft a quarterback in the top ten and then deny him having a group of solid receivers to work with. Tell me how the Pats can end up with three solid receivers for Maye?

Quote from: Stringer Bell on April 26, 2024, 11:41:04 AMYou'd be lucky to get a 7th rounder for Slayton. Pats would never make this trade.

Look at the Patriots receiver room and tell me that they would have zero interest in a guy who managed to put up 770 yards and four touchdowns while being targeted by guys like DeVito and Taylor. He isn't nearly as bad as your post implies he is. They also would get pick 47 and there will still be good receivers available if they want to continue to add to that group.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on April 26, 2024, 11:16:13 AMI like Powers-Johnson but do the Giants see IOL as a position of need?

My whole premise is that you want to build the offense to the point that you can go all in on a quarterback in 2025 and have the pieces around him to maximize his chances of success. The starting line currently looks like Thomas-Runyan-JMS-Eluemuno—Neal. After that we have no quality depth and Neal has been awful. If Neal doesn't improve quickly I could see the Giants benching him and kicking Eluemuno outside and opening a need for someone who is better than Ezudu at guard.

I understand in doing that you lose the chance to draft a starting corner but you hope that between Thibs, Dex, Burns and Okereke that you can create enough pressure to protect Banks, Flott and Hawkins. Not a perfect solution but at the end of the day there are no silver bullets available.