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#1
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Better or Worse
Today at 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 12:32:45 PMI hope it doesn't take three games to get up to speed.

It shouldn't be much of a challenge for them to give up less than the 98 total points they did in their first 3 games last year. But then that may be just the optimist inside of me talking.  <:-P

Cheers!
#2
Big Blue Huddle / Re: B/R Summary of Giants Roster Adds, Subtracts, Needs, and Cap Position
Today at 12:50:27 PM
I agree with your disagrees, Ed.

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#3
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Giants Player Development Underwhelming
Today at 12:47:48 PM
However true that may be, and, in any case, of no consolation, it can be said for at least half the teams in the League except perhaps Jerrah's Boys who through some twist of fate haven't played for a Conference Championship in what will be 29 years, or almost 2 1/2 times longer than Our Heroes. That gotta hurt! Then again, it's been even worse for Washington's NFC Least.

Cheers!

#4
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Better or Worse
Today at 12:07:49 PM
Quote from: uconnjack8 on Today at 11:19:48 AMEd,

I get your point, and I think Thibs and Burns are going to spend considerable more time trying to be get in the backfield then in coverage.  I could be wrong, but from what Daboll has said about being more of an "attacking" defense, I am guessing those guys will be deployed mostly as penetrators. 

Burns did not grade out as a good run defender which, for me, is why your question/point is a good one. 

I can't help but see another Buffalo similarity here.  Buffalo's DL likes to get up field and disrupt.  And they have mostly been good at it.  Seems like that's the direction Daboll wants this D to go.

Wink's approach was of little benefit to the Giants Rushing Defense whereas Bowen's has had a good history in that area. As for what Burns may or may not bring to the table, it's hard to imagine that Bowen played no role in the decision to trade for him. We shall see, I reckon.

Cheers!
#5
Big Blue Huddle / B/R Summary of Giants Roster Adds, Subtracts, Needs, and Cap Position
Today at 11:25:43 AM
Key Offseason Additions: Edge Brian Burns, OT Jermaine Eluemunor, QB Drew Lock, WR Isaiah McKenzie, DB Jalen Mills, DL Jordan Phillips, G Jon Runyan, RB Devin Singletary, WR Malik Nabers, S Tyler Nubin

Notable Departures: RB Saquon Barkley, S Xavier McKinney, DL A'Shawn Robinson, QB Tyrod Taylor, DL Jihad Ward

Remaining Team Needs: RB, TE, CB

Cap Space: $6.2 Million  Doesn't likely reflect $11.6 million cap saving from a post June 1 release of Darren Waller. 

Realistic Targets: RB Kareem Hunt, TE Robert Tonyan Jr., CB Eli Apple

The New York Giants opted not to draft a new quarterback in 2024, though they did make a push for North Carolina's Drake Maye.

"The Giants, hot for quarterback Drake Maye, put their bid in — believed to be the No. 6 pick this year, their second-round pick (No. 47 overall) and their 2025 first-round pick," Paul Schwartz of the New York Post wrote.

The Patriots didn't bite on New York's offer and instead took Maye for themselves. This leaves the Giants looking at a season of Daniel Jones, Drew Lock or some combination of the two at quarterback.

The good news is that the Giants are finally equipped to give their quarterbacks a strong supporting cast. Jermaine Eluemunor and Jon Runyan will help solidify the offensive line, while rookie Malik Nabers should be the No. 1 wideout New York has lacked.

Offensively, the biggest remaining challenge will be trying to replace do-it-all running back Saquon Barkley. Devin Singletary is poised to be the new starter, but the Giants will likely employ a committee approach.

Adding Kareem Hunt would give New York a viable short-yardage and goal-line back to round out that committee.

The Giants could also use insurance at tight end, as 2023 addition Darren Waller continues to mull retirement. An experienced pass-catcher like Robert Tonyan Jr. would provide solid depth alongside Daniel Bellinger and rookie fourth-round pick Theo Johnson.

Defensively, the Giants should continue addressing a secondary that ranked 24th in net yards per pass attempt allowed last season. They might not have the cap space to pursue a top cornerback, but they could likely afford a reunion with Eli Apple.

Apple was a role player in Miami last season, but after New York traded him in 2018, he became a reliable starter for the Saints and Bengals.

Eli Apple??

Their opinion, but not unreasonable.
Cheers!
#6
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Better or Worse
Today at 10:47:41 AM
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 13, 2024, 03:54:19 PMI all comes down to positional responsibilities. The 3/4 Mike has more coverage responsibilities and the 3/4 Edge do not. That's why I separate the LB's from the DLine. I am curious if Thibs and Burn have the sand in their pants to transition to DE responsibility. If so, the Giants are a 3 Tech away. Simmons would be my Will and McFadden my Sam.


A savvy analysis and questioning, Ed. In any event, we should expect to see a different approach to Defense from Shane Bowen who, while more Zone-orientated on the back end, has had much more success against the run than did Wink. Still, as you suggest, it can be as much a question of personnel as of positioning.

It may be a while before we get an answer in that regard, but it will still be time better spent wondering about Burns and Thibodeaux than it is for those among us who seem unable to stop hating on Daniel Jones.

Cheers!

 
#7
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Bellinger vs Theo Johnson
May 13, 2024, 04:17:42 PM
I assume that Waller will retire and return the starting job to Bellinger from whom he took it last season and was clearly the better of the two in his 12 games played than Bellinger was in all 17. And so in that case, Bellinger will again be TE1 unless he loses it to this year's fellow 4th Round pick Theo Johnson. As for Jack Stoll, the Eagles UFA castoff, he's had only 20 catches in 3 years which sounds a lot like like a spare to me.

Cheers!
#8
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Better or Worse
May 13, 2024, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: uconnjack8 on May 13, 2024, 02:24:21 PMLarry,

That's one of the reasons I wish they would have graded the front 7 as a group and not had Burns and Thibodeaux as OLBs.  Seems like they used "base" defense lineups to grade this even though teams are in "base" less than 30% of the time. 


I think of it and feel the same as you, Matt. As for Burns and Thibs and indeed for Ojulari, I see them as Edge players who in a given situation may line up as a DE in a 3- 4-, or 5- in making up of the front 7 with Okereke, and McFadden, or Simmons at ILB. 

Cheers!   
#9
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Better or Worse
May 13, 2024, 02:09:11 PM
Quote from: jgrangers2 on May 12, 2024, 09:32:58 PMAnd in looking at that article, the one place where I'd say they definitely haven't improved is the D-line simply because I don't know if there's anyone there with significant upside beyond Dex. With a group like the secondary, it may not be better NOW than it was when Gettelman left, but it could very well be in the future (gotta see how guys like Banks, Phillips and Nubin progress). When Schoen took over, I doubt many people would have expected James Bradberry to still be here in 2024.

You and I have a different perspective as to whether or not the D-line may be better this year than it was last year. Let me begin by saying that I was never able to recover from having witnessed the abomination of last season's 2-8 start in which the Wink Defense gave up 265 points bookended by 0-40 and 17-49 losses to the hated Cows. Whatever may be the why and how of it, process or personnel, I'm still gagging from the thought of it.

Okay, that was then and this is for now. And so, upon quieter reflection, I must acknowledge that my optimism may be flawed, and certainly is weakened by my "can't get any worse" perspective. That said, I do believe that Brian Burns will prove to be an major asset wherever Bowen places him among 3-,4-,5-man fronts.

In any case, I'm troubled to have to imagine myself in the more usual litany of fan behavior:

Raters  gonna rate.
Baiters gonna bait...or bate as the case may be.
Haters  gonna hate.
Skaters gonna skate.
Waiters gonna wait.

That last one does have some appeal.

Cheers!
#10
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Better or Worse
May 12, 2024, 02:59:43 PM
All that we fans are really good at is second-guessing and never better than when we are practicing on ourselves as I am right now.

For me at least, rooting requires optimism and thus anticipates improvement which is something I expect we will see this year. Yeah, I know that's not bucking the odds by much when last season Our Heroes were ranked 29th overall on Offense and 27th on Defense.

I have already mentioned how much the addition of a true star No. 1 WR will add to what I believe will be a top-notch Receiver Corps overall, and that I believe the loss of Barkley will be less of a liability than some might think- especially given the addition of guys like Singleterry and Tracy, Jr to whatever is Gray's potential.  That assumes, of course that there will be a notable improvement from last year's abysmal Oline play.

As for the Defense, I think I already have made clear my view that the additions which have since been made to the Front 7 not only compensate for the loss of Williams but will make it the best it has been in quite some time. As for the Secondary, although still an area of concern until proven otherwise, I feel better now that they've added Nubin, Phillips and McCloud to the mix.  And, I must say also that I am quite comfortable with Shane Bowen replacing Wink as DC.

And so now, for better or worse, cop-out or otherwise, I am neutral and non-predicting when it comes to Giants' Quarterback play and that of Daniel Jones in particular in what must be viewed as his make-or-break future with the Giants...and perhaps also for some other notables.
 
In any case, I have only now realized that should Daniel Jones start a total of just 12 games this year, he will have made the third most starts (73) of any Giants QB since Eli's 246 and Phil's 139, and thus of all 25 other QBs since 1970 (post-Conerly/Tittle) including guys like Kerry Collins, Dave Brown, Scott Brunner, Craig Morton, Jeff Hostetler, Fran Tarkenton, etc. Proves nothing, but kinda interesting of sorts, huh?

Cheers!

 
#11
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Is the Giants’ 2024 roster better than the one Joe Schoen inherited ?
May 11, 2024, 03:40:13 PM
For my thoughts, see Better or Worse above. Or below as it may be.

Cheers!
#12
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Better or Worse
May 11, 2024, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: Painter on May 07, 2024, 12:17:38 PMQB- Neutral. There is no basis to suggest that Daniel Jones, even if healthy, will be any better or worse than he has been. Better depth, yes, as it could hardly have been worse. Still, it's really all about DJ.

RB- Neutral. Even if Barkley has a great year with the Eagles, as he did for a couple or three of his 6 seasons with the Giants, I can't help but to think of him as a "boom or bust" RB. That may be unfair, but I feel no loss in his departure. Still, while I am optimistic about the new additions and current roster, and so don't feel it to be Worse, I can't yet rate it as other than Neutral.

TE- Neutral. We can hope but there is no real basis to think or to say otherwise.

OL- Better. It could hardly have been worse. Except for questions regarding Neal and ORT, which I expect to sort itself out either there or at ORG and otherwise to be a better net roster overall.

DL- Better. Even with the loss of Williams at the 3-tech, I see the addition of Phillips plus Burns to Thibs and Ojulari at Edge or 4-Man as more than compensating for what proved to not be a good Wink D overall last year

LB- Better. Best in some time both Inside and Outside with those mentioned above and with Okereke, McFadden, and Simmons at MLB and ILB.

CB/Safety- Worse. Until proven otherwise, I can hope, but certainly can't say Better and feel that Neutral would be a bit of a cop out. I can say, however, that I am pleased to have Shane Bowen as the new DC. In regard to the play in and of the Secondary, I will guess off-the-ball / bend don't break coverage outside the 20s while none tougher/better/ stingier in the Redzone.

In any case, for now quien sabe?

You can infer what you will from my comments above re Ed's earlier query unless and until I feel a need for revision.

Cheers!
#13
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Seems like a lot of commentators are saying Lock will beat out Jones
May 11, 2024, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: Trench on May 10, 2024, 11:50:42 PMYeah whatever.
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#14
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Seems like a lot of commentators are saying Lock will beat out Jones
May 10, 2024, 10:24:53 AM
A) If the shoe fits... B) It had nothing to with you no matter how you may choose to read it. C) It still applies to those for whom it was and is directed who quite obviously aren't bothered in the least by it.

Is that clear enough?

Cheers!
#15
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Seems like a lot of commentators are saying Lock will beat out Jones
May 09, 2024, 01:07:51 PM
Quote from: Trench on May 09, 2024, 12:17:56 PMYour post makes no sense to me whatsoever. I have no ill will towards whatever you believe or root for. I simply ask you for the same courtesy.

If you think I was discourteous to you, you have no idea what that means. As for ill-will, call it what you like, but you also seem confused as to whom, what and why I have been critical. Otherwise, I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps, that's just as well.

Cheers!
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