Big Blue Huddle

I'll take a stab at it. First of all, I think the runner has to go back to 1st base. I don't know what, if anything, happens to the batter. So I think it's either B or D. But I'll take a guess, the batter is called out for interference, runner back to 1st.

Thanks Len. That actually makes sense to me.

Quote from: LennG on May 16, 2024, 12:23:34 PMSince both of us, the umpires had never really seen a play like that, we got together and used our best judgment and knowledge to make the call.

Since the rulebook says that if any pitched ball strikes the batter, it is a dead ball, regardless if it hits the ground first, that is what we used to make the ruling. The batter swinging at it makes no difference.
(If a better, say, squares to bunt and he offers at the pitch and in doing so, the pitch hits him, a strike is called as he did offer at the ball, and being hit has no relevance except making the ball dead)

Since it is now a dead ball, the runner had to return to 1st base, as that was his position at the time of the pitch.

Len, can you explain the difference in this scenario vs. your first example (post #1 in this thread)? In both instances there was a runner on 1st base "at the time of the pitch." Also in both instances the runner on base was going with the pitch. Yet in the first instance the runner was awarded 2nd base as a result of the dead ball, but in this second instance the runner had to go back to 1st base as a result of the dead ball. I'm a bit confused.

Good one Len. I would find it hard to place the baserunner back at 1st base since he was already going on he pitch, before it hit the batter. But if I were to hazard a guess as to what the actual rule states, I would say the runner must go back to 1st. But I won't be surprised which ever way this one goes.

**Edit: Dead ball -  One from the mound, two from the field?

Quote from: GIANTS1 on May 14, 2024, 09:08:22 AMi am going to say illegal because they actually made a play while time was out.

Yes. It would help if I'd read it closer. 

I would agree then. Not a legal play.

Quote from: GIANTS1 on May 14, 2024, 09:08:22 AMi am going to say illegal because they actually made a play while time was out.

Is time automatically out every time a pitcher throws over to first and the runner gets back safely? I don't know about that. I always thought time is never out unless a player requests time, or the ball goes into a dead zone, or obviously between innings.

I think it's legal as long as the pitcher doesn't step on the rubber.  Pitcher can't step on the rubber without the ball.

*edit - or is it the pitcher can't step on the mound without the ball. Crap, now I'm not sure.
I'll say he can't step on the rubber without the ball. Legal play. (No way am I certain though).

Quote from: kartanoman on May 12, 2024, 05:09:24 PMI would love nothing more than for the Giants to find a player with the heart and fire-brimming intensity of another undersized defensive player they drafted 30 years ago, Jessie Armstead.

Or 52 years ago when they drafted a 6'1" DT named John Mendenhall in the third round.

That is most bizarre Len. Baseball is such an amazing sport. You can watch for decades and then one day see something you've never seen before.

I guess I've never thought about it before but, in theory, a pitcher can have an infinite number of strikeouts in an inning.

I thought that was probably the case.

I've actually seen the swing and HBP scenario a few times in MLB over the years, so that question was a bit easy.

Quote from: LennG on May 11, 2024, 04:50:22 PMLet's get another that happened just the other day

Batter has a 2-2 count. Pitcher throws a curve ball which bounces and hits the batter. BUT, he swung at the ball  (and missed).

Is he out, awarded 1st base or is it now a 3-2 count?

He strikes out. The swing supersedes the HBP.
But this question makes me ask....since the ball hit the dirt prior to the swing does the catcher have to tag the batter out? You know what I'm asking? The whole dropped third strike set of rules.

Quote from: LennG on May 11, 2024, 04:47:39 PMExcellent Seve. I have a game Monday, want to join me?

    

LOL!! I got the first question wrong, so I'm only .500
If I was batting that's excellent, but if I were umpiring that percentage would get me the heave-ho.

3rd base. The runner had already reached 1st base safely prior to the defense throwing behind him. It doesn't matter if he was then diving back to 1st. One from the mound and two from the field.

My guess...
Batter is out. Runner back to first.
Batter struck out and even though the catcher didn't handle the third strike first base was occupied with less than two outs. Because of the dead ball happening the play is called dead before the baserunner established 2nd base so he has to go back to the base he had established when the dead ball was called.

I have a question first. Where was the base runner at the point the third strike was mishandled by the catcher?