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#31
Some solid topics Pat explored on this edition.

Round One Direction.

Saquon, to tag or not to tag. That is the question.

Make or Break Schoen & Daboll.

She gave the plus's and minus's but definitely settled in on Saquon. She said, let him test the market but agree to come back so they have the opportunity to match it. He's stated that he wants to be a Giant for life.

I agree not to tag him because they need the Cap Space for Veteran Olinemen. It's basically a non exclusive arrangement. Realistically, any Free Agent can come back to their former team and give them the opportunity to match it. In this case it's so obvious, that the offering team would be compelled to make him an offer the Giants can't afford to match or simply stay away. The later cuts down on his prospective suitors and hurts his marketability. In my opinion, he hurt himself by making that statement of staying a Giant. Second critical mistake in two years. My choice would be to negotiate with Saquon and make your best effort to sign him to a three year deal with a couple of voided years. She mentioned this as an option.

As for Draft Strategy, I am all for getting a Guard and Swing Tackle in FA and solidifying that Line with proven commodities. I believe she settled in with picking a WR and getting that QB later on to develop. But left open trade down or trade ups from round two. We have discussed this a lot and with all possible scenarios. It's going to come down to how things go before the fifth pick. There are a lot of QB needy teams and I agree that it's not desirable to pick a JJ, Nix or Penix at six, but you risk losing them all by not doing so. Or at least just trade down a couple of slots. Tough to do because you can outsmart yourself and lose your guy.

As for Schoen and Daboll, I agree that if they draft a QB to develop, at least Schoen gets a stay of execution. Daboll would have to implode to lose his job. If they stick with DJ, it's Russian Roulette with one bullet with his initials on it.
#32
I think we take a look at Hyatt, Neal, Banks, JMS and DJ as players who can break out or reinvent themselves.

My first choice would be Jalin Hyatt, who after a year of learning the next level and working on his route running and skills has a legitimate chance to have a breakout season. Unfortunately, his success will be aided or limited by others.

Evan Neal has no place to go but up. I don't think they give up on him at RT and it's his job to lose but there in no slack and they will have to have a backup plan and he knows it. He has to be training on his own with some program and I so hope he's looking at his weight and agility.

Thoughts?
#33
Not ready to move on from Daniel Jones. But... cough cough, it up to Schoen and Daboll.
#34
Big Blue Huddle / BBH Pick’em League Champions
February 12, 2024, 07:03:51 AM
Congratulations to Nostradamus, Uconnjack and Mooseheads in a tight race that was decided in the last game.

Nostradamus breaks the tie by one game in the loss column in a comeback.
#36
Big Blue Huddle / NYG 2024 Free Agents
February 06, 2024, 11:41:49 AM
The Giants need to decide between McKinney and Jackson and will likely go McKinney. I think McCloud is a must retain. Taylor at 3.3 MM is worth consideration. Either Nachos or Robinson. I'd try to retain CC and CB and try to have some continuity on that Defense.
Click on the link to get some of the Market Values.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/new-york-giants/
#37
Big Blue Huddle / February Birthdays!
February 01, 2024, 07:51:26 AM
Coggs- 8th
rodney27- 12th
DesG89- Desmond- 15th
DumpsterDan- Dan- 16th
UMassGrad- Carl- 19th
Gman329- 22nd
mikeDevil77- Mike- 24th
Chiller99- Sean- 25th
Happy Birthday!
 <:-P
#38
The Front Porch / Has anyone heard from Todge?
January 29, 2024, 02:17:11 PM
I don't believe Ted has posted in a long time.
#39
In a Sports Illustrated interview which I won't post because of idiotic popups, he talked about how he knows the playbook and will be working hard this offseason to improve his game so he can contribute more next season. Being consistent is the key he said, and that's what makes the elite receivers elite. Taking advantage of opportunities.

One might think he would be somewhat bitter not getting enough targets to elevate his stats but not a negative comment out of him. Are ya watching Odell?
#40
The Front Porch / Happy Birthday Weeze!
January 19, 2024, 03:52:46 PM
@weeze Have a great day! Let us know how you're doing.
#41
I would guess if you asked Giants fans which team they hate the most, the Dallas Cowboys would top the list.

Most of their fans can travel poorly and are obnoxious and boorish in our house. They have a good percentage of fans who are fair weather and bandwagon. If you're a casual fan, you pick the guys in the white hats. Even the bragging, Texas Style with the "How 'bout dem Cowboys", can get under the skin of other teams fans.

If you can look past that, the franchise has a rich history of great teams and great players and coaches.

Some hate Jerry Jones because he's an involved owner who's a billionaire and it's easy to hate the owners because the perception is that they're greedy. But he built one of the best Stadiums in the League and he packs the team with talent. Passionate and by far... their biggest fan.

I gotta feel sorry for the man. Again embarrassed and this time in his own house. He's getting up there in age and although he doesn't change his HC's as impulsively as most owners, I don't see Mike McCarthy surviving this year.
#42
Big Blue Huddle / January Birthdays!
January 03, 2024, 09:52:28 PM

king of the bronx- 5th
BobinPA- Bob- 6th
Somersjoe- Frank- 7th
Giant Obsession- Mike- 8th
DukeAZ- Duke- 9th
The Chief- 9th
BigBlueIowa- 12th
jerseyguy- Kenny- 14th
bedl365- Evan- Jan 16th
Chris- 17th
Weeze- John 19th
nosebleed_section- Matthew- 22nd
Painter- Larry- 25th
mbigblue- Frederic- 26th
 
Happy Birthday!  <:-P  <:-P  <:-P
#43
Big Blue Huddle / BBH Pick ‘em Standings
January 01, 2024, 08:52:34 AM
Looks like a 3 way battle for the Championship.
#44
TT made a few mistakes but had the best passing day of the season. Lots of mistakes and penalties taking yards and potential points away.
#45
Big Blue Huddle / Fiasco At The End Of Detroit-Dallas
December 31, 2023, 06:41:37 AM
Why have two Offensive Linemen approach the Referee? I recall the Referee calling an Eligible Receiver over the PA system at games, did this not happen because any mistake would have or should have been cleared up then before the play. Do officials now have to wear body cams? The whole incident is unfortunate but if it was called correctly, Decker surely would have been covered by Dallas and not wide open.

Dan Campbell took chances twice, one on that conversion and a chip FG going for it on 4th down in a close game. If he kicks the FG, he walks away with a win.

https://sports.yahoo.com/roger-goodells-so-called-better-than-ever-nfl-officiating-blew-the-end-of-cowboys-lions-then-doubled-down-074502508.html
#46
Why?
#48
Sadly it's probably spot on...
#49
Big Blue Huddle / Russell Wilson
December 28, 2023, 09:34:13 AM
A few years ago when Wilson was on the market I gave my opinion that he was in decline with some push back. There were several who wanted the Giants to sign him.

Now it's very possible that he will be released after this season and look to sign elsewhere for league minimum, while sticking the Broncos for his guaranteed.

Is there anyone here that would like to see the Giants bring him here for 2024 and not draft a QB this upcoming draft?

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/release-not-trade-is-the-most-likely-outcome-for-broncos-and-russell-wilson
#50
Big Blue Huddle / Corey Webster Retires as a Giant
December 27, 2023, 09:27:28 PM
Once a Giant, always a Giant.
#51
Big Blue Huddle / Week 16 Inactives
December 25, 2023, 03:54:59 PM
I don't know what Parris Campbell did to wind up in the Dog House but the Giants sure miss Richie James.
#52
Big Blue Huddle / NFT: Happy Festivius
December 23, 2023, 08:49:14 AM
A Festivus for the rest of us!
#53
Big Blue Huddle / Locked On Giants Podcast
December 20, 2023, 10:42:10 PM
It's Titled, "NY Giants Approaching A Crossroads".

I have to say that I haven't watched or listened to Ed Valentine much but I clicked on it because I scrolling and saw Pat's face. They touched on a lot of the player personnel, but halfway through they discussed Coaching and the process and it reminded me of so many threads of discussion we had here. He did a nice job hitting on all the key points and Patty complimented him well with her input. I recommend listening in. There's much to chew on.

#54
Big Blue Huddle / @Talking Giants Wk 15 Oline Report
December 20, 2023, 10:07:32 AM
Calling a spade a spade.

#55
Big Blue Huddle / @talkinGiants wk 15 Film Review
December 20, 2023, 10:02:23 AM
For all you QB Gurus and Out Coached head in the sand deniers.
#57
Big Blue Huddle / @TalkinGiants Game Review Week 15
December 18, 2023, 11:07:11 AM
Justin and Bobby calling a spade a spade.
#58
Big Blue Huddle / DeVito to start again XMas Day
December 18, 2023, 09:56:56 AM
Looks like he's being groomed to be the backup next season under Daniel Jones and Daboll wants him prepared in case he has to start the season.

If he was garbage like some of the itoldyouso QB Gurus we have here, they would be starting Tyrod and discussing a contract extension.

Of course what does Daboll know. He hasn't been posting on a Football Forum for the past 20 years.
#59
Big Blue Huddle / A Total Ass Kicking
December 17, 2023, 03:38:48 PM
Did not pass go, did not collect $200.

#60
"Top NFL Analysts weigh in."

I'm inclined to say he becomes a top notch backup because he doesn't have the long ball, but he can have much success as a starter in the right system. This is why we only saw one attempt to Hyatt on a Deep Post which fell short. Although I felt that if he set up properly he may have been able to lead him. I need to see that he can make those throws before endorsement. I think the Giants draft a QB with more of a cannon and see what happens. A couple of opportunities he didn't go for against GB were routes over 40 yards.

Still I have an open mind and you gotta love the kid and what he brings to the table.

https://www.bigblueview.com/platform/amp/2023/12/14/24000060/tommy-devitos-success-a-fluke-or-sustainable-top-nfl-analysts-weigh-in-ny-giants-nfl-draft