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Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 09:13:17 AMI didn't say they don't. A backup or any backup should not look significantly better than your 40 million dollar qb regardless of the circumstances and not one but several backup Qbs did this past season.

The part in bold is where we see things differently.  I don't do absolutes like "regardless of circumstances". I always factor in circumstances when I evaluate anything in football.  Evaluating without considering circumstances is akin to taking a quote out of context, in my opinion.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 07, 2024, 08:04:10 PMIt is somewhat subjective who the five best receivers are, but I'll take a crack at it.

For "fast" I will use less than 4.45 on the 40. I think that's a fair cutoff for this position.


Is each of the below players fast?

Tyreek Hill (4.29): Yes
Cee Dee Lamb (4.5): No
Amon-Ra St. Brown (4.61): No
Ja'Marr Chase (4.38): Yes
AJ Brown (4.49): No

2 yes, 3 no.

Justin Jefferson 4.43
 Davante Adams 4.56
 Stefon Diggs 4.46
 Cooper Kupp 4.62
 Deebo Samuel 4.48

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 07, 2024, 06:44:45 PMI'm not loving that news if I'm Tommy D.

He lit it up in the CFL.  He's a bit short at 6' 1", but I think Tommy Cutlets has some serious competition for QB 3.  The Giants claimed Rourke on waivers.   The Pats got him by claiming him on waivers (when the Jags waived him), and they beat out the Texans, who also put a claim in on him.  I think there could be something more than just a camp body in him.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 07, 2024, 07:41:01 PMIs there really that big of a difference in the 28th vs the 32nd to you? 

I understand you were trying to make a point that somehow there was a huge difference in the 28th vs 32nd but there isn't, not enough to jump the stats that much. Even if you want to say they have better wrs which they do, Lock still attacked down the field while Jones did not.

Why did you ignore the 7th receiving targets versus the 32nd receiving targets?  Do you think that receivers don't improve a QBs production?  If not, why do you think WRs make so much money?

As to your point, 32nd is unlimited bad.  We have clear stats that show the protection was significantly worse in terms of percent of pressure and time to pressure under Jones, and even with the improvements after Jones, they were still last.  Even adding a healthy Andrew Thomas and Pugh off his coach didn't move the Giants off 32nd in pass protection.

Quote from: Trench on May 07, 2024, 11:26:06 PMShort answer is - no

So why do NFL teams spend so much money on receivers and offensive linemen if things like pass protection and receiving targets don't make a difference?

Quote from: TONKA56 on Today at 07:49:56 AMThis is the most likely scenario that supports Jones remaining in place. He needs to do just enough to keep drafting a blue chip replacement out of reach leaving the Giants' only other option being replacing him with a long in the tooth has been/never was retread. I suppose the Giants could capture lightning in a bottle with a high risk draft pick in the mid to late first round.

The Giants had that high-risk option with the 3 QBs they passed on in this draft.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 07, 2024, 06:07:22 PMJones 6 Games
Att 160
Cmpl% 68
Yards 909
Tds 2
Int 6
Yards per attempt 5.7
Yards per catch 8.4
10+ yards 33
20+ yards 9
30+ yards 1


Lock 2 Games
Att 76
Cmpl % 63.4
Yards 543
Tds 3
INT 3
Yards per attempt 7.1
Yards per catch 11.3
10+ yards 19
20+ yards 10
30+ yards 3

If Lock plays in 6 instead of 2 he'd have 706 more yards, and 7 more Tds. He would have doubled Jones 10+ yard catches, tripled his 20+ yard catches and have 8 more 30+ yard catches.

One throws down field the other does not.

I am curious: do you think the fact that Jones was working behind the worst pass protection in the league and throwing to the worst receivers (per PFF) might have skewed last year's numbers when you compare that to Lock having the 28th pass protection, but throwing the 7th best receiver group in the league?

https://x.com/NFL/status/1690513486961639424

Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
#NYGiants claimed and were awarded QB Nathan Rourke on waivers from the Patriots, per the league's transaction wire.

Rourke was waived by NE yesterday. He'll be a fourth QB on the 90-man roster with Daniel Jones, Drew Lock and Tommy DeVito. Can't see Jones doing much team work until late July.

Rourke participated in the 2021 rookie camp with NYG as a WR. He's a former CFL star. Was with Jags and Pats.

None of Giants' UDFA are officially signed until Thursday, so no roster move was needed.
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NFL could let owners sell up to 30 percent of teams to private equity funds

The NFL is moving closer to grabbing cash from private equity funds.

According to Bloomberg.com, the quarterly meetings held later this month could result in the passage of a rule allowing owners to sell up to 30 percent of the team to approved investment collectives. The most any one fund could own in any one team would potentially be 10 percent.

It's possible that one fund could hold equity in multiple teams.

The percentages could change as the NFL's special committee for considering the issue continues its work.

The issue wasn't finalized at the league meetings in March. Speaking at the conclusion of that event, Commissioner Roger Goodell pegged May or October as more realistic targets. Owners meet four times per year — March, May, October, and December.

The potential shift comes at a time when franchise values are skyrocketing, to the point where it's hard to find individuals who can satisfy the league's ownership rules. If/when the rules allow private equity investments, existing owners could peel off a slice of the equity to sell to private funds. New owners could recruit equity funds to become part of the initial team of investors.

Over time, it will make the purchase of 100 percent of a team far less common, since the private equity funds will often remain in place after the transfer of control. Those funds eventually could end up with plenty of sway regarding who is and isn't considered for membership in Club Oligarch.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-could-let-owners-sell-up-to-30-percent-of-teams-to-private-equity-funds

Highest paid #NFL player for each position:

QB:

- Highest paid: Joe Burrow (55m/year)

- Top 10 average: 47.5m/year

WR:

- Highest paid: AJ Brown (32m/year)

- Top 10 average: 26.6m/year

RB:

- Highest paid: Christian McCaffrey (16m/year)

- Top 10 average: 11m/year

TE:

- Highest paid: Travis Kelce (17m/year)

- Top 10 average: 14.5m/year

LT:

- Highest paid: Laremy Tunsil (25m/year)

- Top 10 average: 20m/year

LG:

- Highest paid: Landon Dickerson (21m/year)

- Top 10 average: 14m/year

C:

- Highest paid: Frank Ragnow (13.5m/year)

- Top 10 average: 10.7m/year

RG:

- Highest paid: Chris Lindstrom (20.5m/year)

- Top 10 average: 13m/year

RT:

- Highest paid: Penei Sewell (28m/year)

- Top 10 average: 19.25m/year



https://x.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1787922091129356796

Early third-round defensive back choice Dru Phillips always seemed destined for Day 2, but a few scouts had a late-first-round grade on him — and one of the reasons was his football acumen. Multiple teams told me Phillips' combine interview was among their very best thanks to his ability to see the game and grasp defensive concepts.

https://www.bigblueview.com/2024/5/7/24151160/report-giants-had-usc-running-back-targeted-in-2024-nfl-draft?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=social&utm_content=bigblueview&utm_source=twitter

Dr. Kareem McKenzie looks forward to seeing former teammate Chris Snee help Giants achieve 'new greatness' in scouting role

https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/05/07/kareem-mckenzie-chris-snee-giants-scouting-role/

Quote from: Painter on May 07, 2024, 02:17:25 PMIf they had said something different, you wouldn't have started this thread- and don't they know it.

Cheers!

In all fairness to Emory Hunt, he has been down on Daniel Jones since he was drafted.  So his latest comments are, at the very least, consistent.

https://x.com/GiantsCRDept/status/1787887382899101855

https://x.com/Schmeelk/status/1787883501049577680