Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: AZGiantFan on Today at 02:49:27 AMI have my doubts whether Kraft was going to approve any trade out of #3 and Maye.  I don't think the pick we traded for Burns would have tipped the balance.

He wasn't.

Quote from: Bob In PA on Today at 12:31:12 AMI think it came down to the trade for Burns. 

With Pick 39, IMO they had enough ammo to buy Pick Three from the Pats (and take whomever - probably Maye).

So which would you rather have... Burns plus Nabers -or- Maye?  My favorite (Daniels) was already gone so I say they're better off with Burns and Nabers (and they still have next year's 1st-round pick in case they stink again this season).

Bob

I agree with you, Bob. I think that's the position they were in.

Burns and Nabers is a huge price to pay for the 3rd QB in any draft class.

I went average 3 as the QB Elephant remains in the room but I think the picks are sound with Andru Phillips my only doubt (DBs with rocks for hands always frustrate no matter how well they play overall).

The early UDFA and Rookie Camp tryout reports do not feature any of the 'bigger'names who slid out of the draft but include a couple of DII and III guys suggesting Schoen now has more comfort with the overall scouting set up than in his first year. I think that might also be reflected with our day 3 draft where we have chosen guys more for what we think they can do used properly than what they have done so far in R4 and 5.

Quote from: Bob In PA on Today at 12:31:12 AMI think it came down to the trade for Burns. 

With Pick 39, IMO they had enough ammo to buy Pick Three from the Pats (and take whomever - probably Maye).

So which would you rather have... Burns plus Nabers -or- Maye?  My favorite (Daniels) was already gone so I say they're better off with Burns and Nabers (and they still have next year's 1st-round pick in case they stink again this season).

Bob

I have my doubts whether Kraft was going to approve any trade out of #3 and Maye.  I don't think the pick we traded for Burns would have tipped the balance.

Quote from: Bob In PA on Today at 12:31:12 AMI think it came down to the trade for Burns. 

With Pick 39, IMO they had enough ammo to buy Pick Three from the Pats (and take whomever - probably Maye).

So which would you rather have... Burns plus Nabers -or- Maye?  My favorite (Daniels) was already gone so I say they're better off with Burns and Nabers (and they still have next year's 1st-round pick in case they stink again this season).

Bob

Definitely Burns and Nabers, no question

Quote from: sxdxca38 on Today at 12:30:21 AMHi,

I don't really have any issues with you, and I'm sure you're probably a decent to nice person in real life, but you've made it pretty clear over the years that you really don't like Daniel Jones, as you are entitled to your opinion.

But,

With that being the case, from time to time there are some posts that people make that make me say "Did he really just say that?", and this just happens to be one of those posts that I've highlighted in bold up above.

Daniel Jones against the Jacksonville Jaguars won "Offensive Player of the Week" in 2022.

Would you like to know why?

He was 19/30, passed for over 200 yards, 1 TD 0 Int, 94.0 RTG 88.2 QBR

He also rushed 11 times for over 107 yards averaging 9.7 yard per carry, including 1 rushing TD.

His go-ahead rushing TD with 5:31 remaining put the Giants ahead for the win, 23-17.

And he was the first player in Giants history to pass for over 200 yards, and rush for over 100 in the same game.

Equaling over 300 yards of total offense.

He outperformed Trevor Lawrence in that game.

So, I'll ask, are you sure you want to hold your position?

Here is the link down below to show you he won offensive player of the week against Jacksonville.

Enjoy

Daniel Jones

I know I haven't been a part of this conversation, but it's unclear to me in reading this whether you understand that QBR (the ESPN stat) is not a pure passing metric, but rather holistic. You've mentioned it with reference to Jones's passing stats, but then said he "also" contributed through rushing. ESPN QBR already incorporates the rushing productivity of the QB. That is how its calculated. Jones's running performance against Jacksonville was the 8th highest running EPA of any QB game that year and his best from that campaign. By contrast, Jones didn't log even one of the top 50 passing performances by EPA in 2022 (his generally accepted best season). He's a running QB who happens to throw the ball from time to time. But we already know that the Giants don't have unlimited faith in this backwards skillset because of the way they structured his contract and attempted to go after his replacement this last draft, offering significant value to move up just three spots.

As to the "Player of the Week" mention, it's a relatively meaningless thing. Jameis Winston won Player of the Week twice in the NFC. No one is clamoring for him to be a franchise quarterback. Rather, it shows that talented (but utlimately flawed QBs) are capable of putting together (relatively) impressive showings. That is not surprising given they are NFL QBs. The real test is not simply flashing every so often, but performing at a high level consistently.

IMO what they get out of this player could change a solid draft into a home run. Players from the various islands of the south Pacific have done well in the NFL and I see him as the player taken by the Giants who is most likely to exceed expectations (if you consider the round in which a player was taken as indicative of expectations). Bob

I think it came down to the trade for Burns. 

With Pick 39, IMO they had enough ammo to buy Pick Three from the Pats (and take whomever - probably Maye).

So which would you rather have... Burns plus Nabers -or- Maye?  My favorite (Daniels) was already gone so I say they're better off with Burns and Nabers (and they still have next year's 1st-round pick in case they stink again this season).

Bob

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2024, 09:20:38 PMYou do remember that Jones didn't throw a pass for the last 17 minutes of the Jacksonville game even when we were down right?

Or that he only threw for 173 yards against the Ravens, and it took an epic meltdown from Jackson plus a great rushing and defensive game from guys not named Jones to win that game.

Barkley was the number 1 back in the league through the first half of 2022, but but our qb that barely averaged 180 yards and 1 td a game was the driving force..

Hi,

I don't really have any issues with you, and I'm sure you're probably a decent to nice person in real life, but you've made it pretty clear over the years that you really don't like Daniel Jones, as you are entitled to your opinion.

But,

With that being the case, from time to time there are some posts that people make that make me say "Did he really just say that?", and this just happens to be one of those posts that I've highlighted in bold up above.

Daniel Jones against the Jacksonville Jaguars won "Offensive Player of the Week" in 2022.

Would you like to know why?

He was 19/30, passed for over 200 yards, 1 TD 0 Int, 94.0 RTG 88.2 QBR

He also rushed 11 times for over 107 yards averaging 9.7 yard per carry, including 1 rushing TD.

His go-ahead rushing TD with 5:31 remaining put the Giants ahead for the win, 23-17.

And he was the first player in Giants history to pass for over 200 yards, and rush for over 100 in the same game.

Equaling over 300 yards of total offense.

He outperformed Trevor Lawrence in that game.

So, I'll ask, are you sure you want to hold your position?

Here is the link down below to show you he won offensive player of the week against Jacksonville.

Enjoy

Daniel Jones

A fair grade considering they had a paltry six picks in a draft that was IMO deep in the middle. Luckily, they got a can't-miss starter in exchange for their own 2nd-rounder (which they really could have used this year). In fact, for those interested in getting one of this year's QB's (a group I believe was very sub-par) had they kept their 2nd-rounder they probably had enough ammo to move up in this year's first round to grab Maye or whomever they were after in offering to trade with the Patriots. Bob