Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 07, 2024, 05:34:37 PMI agree, but I hear the comparison frequently

I was agreeing with you.

Incase anyone was curious

Jones was 31-14-1 in high school, and 21-19 In college vs Mccarthy 36-2 in high school and 27-1 in college

I think the comparison is meaningless.  I weighed in on this very early in this thread.  From everything I've read, JJ had an experience in college that Jones could have only dreamed about.  I don't think Jones ever had a big time game at Duke that resembled in any way the level of experience JJ went through and that's not even taking into account Harbaugh getting suspended for the stretch run.  I know nothing about JJs strength as a QB but there must be something there.  I knew nothing Jones prior to his being drafted but it wasn't that hard to come to the conclusion that Jones was way overdrafted at 6.  And this is coming from someone who has not been convinced that Jones can't succeed if he finally gets an adequate OL (which he has never had) and a big time WR (which he has never had). 

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 07, 2024, 02:13:05 PMYour comment in bold reminds me of an old NFL saying-  A GM that thinks like the fans (or does their job with an eye toward pleasing the fans) will soon join the fans.

I would agree and can't imagine that Schoen & Co. would be capable of sharing the gullibility of the average fan. In any case, I am talking solely about the notion of the Giants taking McCarthy at 6 which I believe would be both unwise and unnecessary.

Cheers!

Quote from: Painter on February 07, 2024, 09:28:49 PMI would agree and can't imagine that Schoen & Co. would be capable of sharing the gullibility of the average fan. In any case, I am talking solely about the notion of the Giants taking McCarthy at 6 which I believe would be both unwise and unnecessary.

Cheers!

Larry,

Can you expand on your comments and explain why you think drafting McCarthy at 6 would be unwise and unnecessary?   I get that many don't see (or don't yet see McCarthy) as a potential franchise QB and hence unworthy of the 6 pick, but I am curious as to why you don't think presumably you feel the team doesn't need to draft a QB.

I am not surprised in the least


https://x.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1755623288796058033?s=20


https://x.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1755604632951574767?s=20

Is that really surprising?  Look at how they set up to throw.  I feel like half the time both Nix and Penix are not stepping into their throws.  McCarthy's throwing platform is so much better and frankly so much more similar to NFL QBs who throw from solid platforms with weight moving forward and strong lower body turn even if arm is coming in at different angles.

https://x.com/thorku/status/1755683333638345056?s=20

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 08, 2024, 03:08:12 PMhttps://x.com/thorku/status/1755683333638345056?s=20

Thor is 100% right.  Against top 20 defenses he played against 7 of them and was really good.  He simply does not have volume.  That's it.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 08, 2024, 03:08:12 PMhttps://x.com/thorku/status/1755683333638345056?s=20

He's a certified killer. I think come draft time we may miss out on him being at 6.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 08, 2024, 05:09:22 PMHe's a certified killer. I think come draft time we may miss out on him being at 6.

That is a distinct possibility

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on February 07, 2024, 03:19:12 PMAs I've established elsewhere on here. The Giants need to move on from Jones. If that means the Rook can sit behind him and absorb how to do and not do stuff. I'm all for it.

The one thing Gettleman got right was the fact if your QB is there, you take him.

If this kid is the guy this regime want to hitch their wagon to, then take him. Jones' structure always allowed for this approach. Some here knew and the Giants knew it was a possibility Jones wouldn't take the leap, therefore they put themselves to take a QB this year, if there's one there.

I posted something in the Giants biggest need thread that pretty much echoes this. I am slowly travelling to the "if there is a QB we like then take him" as the more I think about the alternative the less I like it.

If there is a QB and that QB is McCarthy then I will trust that Schoen, Brown, Cowden, scouts, Daboll, Kafka, Tierney et al can do a better job projecting traits and risk assessing the gaps in McCarthy's tape than I can.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 08, 2024, 05:09:22 PMHe's a certified killer. I think come draft time we may miss out on him being at 6.

Hopefully so

Quote from: sooners56 on February 08, 2024, 06:30:09 PMHopefully so

So then when/where do we get the Qb of the future? How much more does the organization need to lose before everyone is tired of losing and willing for the organization to go after a qb?

Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 08, 2024, 06:47:14 PMSo then when/where do we get the Qb of the future? How much more does the organization need to lose before everyone is tired of losing and willing for the organization to go after a qb?

Here's the thing: this is hopefully the last year the Giants are drafting in the top 10 (they will start being a winning team that drafts in the bottom half moving forward).   As EA said (when he drafted Eli) when you have a chance to draft a franchise QB, you take it.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 08, 2024, 08:13:06 AMLarry,

Can you expand on your comments and explain why you think drafting McCarthy at 6 would be unwise and unnecessary?  I get that many don't see (or don't yet see McCarthy) as a potential franchise QB and hence unworthy of the 6 pick, but I am curious as to why you don't think presumably you feel the team doesn't need to draft a QB.

Rich,

Unwise because, while I understand the doubts about Daniel Jones's future that are almost unanimous among Giants fans, I do not believe it is yet compelling where Schoen/Daboll Co. is concerned.

That said, while I am not suggesting that there are no circumstances in which they might not bet the house to trade up for Williams or Daniels, albeit most unlikely, or be willing to take Maye at 6, I just feel too uneasy about McCarthy to think of him as having full value in the top-10.

I hope it also would prove unnecessary even if he's not available for a late 1st or early 2nd Round trade up. Indeed, I'd almost rather see them trade back in Round 1 than give up too much in total value given their needs right now which include adding a topnotch X- WR and all that may be necessary in FA and the Draft to put a top-10 Oline in front of whomever is the QB and RB.

Like it or not, and who would, it all still pivots factually and fiscally around Daniel Jones, and certainly not in my mind around J.J.McCarthy.

Cheers!