Parris Campbell on the side today.
https://twitter.com/DDuggan21/status/1687104669364170752
Campbell went inside. I suspect he has a concussion
Practicing roll out some flea flicker's
Gray looks to have the edge and kick returns in Punt returns
DeVito Looking a lot sharper
Wowing the crowd with one on one coverage drills. Barkley with a one handed. Receivers looking sharp as is Jones with a lot of mustard on the ball.
Nobody makes a cut like Cole Beasley.
Triple coverage on Hyatt for a long post TD!!!!! Holy crap!
Campbell back out with the team but not involved, hopefully a rest day
11/11. Waller can not be stopped
Jones run for a TD
Bredeson competes for RG as Ezu mans LG
Jaylin Hyatt putting on a show! Another post TD
I fear Ryder Anderson may have had a season ending injury. Triceps, with hope it's just an elbow
Campbell is on the side watching practice, a good sign
At this point I don't know if they can keep Hyatt off the field if he continues to put on this kind of show all camp.
But who do you take off the field? Does this make Slayton expendable or Campbell?
I'd probably prefer a 1 Hodgins, slot Campbell, 2 Hyatt lineup with Slayton and Wandale being the first two off the bench.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on August 03, 2023, 11:24:17 AMAt this point I don't know if they can keep Hyatt off the field if he continues to put on this kind of show all camp.
But who do you take off the field? Does this make Slayton expendable or Campbell?
I'd probably prefer a 1 Hodgins, slot Campbell, 2 Hyatt lineup with Slayton and Wandale being the first two off the bench.
It's Slay, Hyatt and Campbell at this point. Speed kills. Hyatt can run all the routes. He adjusts his speed to bring in the DB and then takes off. He's running well but he adjusts to the ball and he has great soft hands. No way he's not starting.
McFadden great coverage on Waller for an incompletion deep. Good stuff.
Quote from: Ed Vette on August 03, 2023, 11:29:11 AMHyatt...adjusts his speed to bring in the DB and then takes off.
This... check out the post (near the top today) entitled "Jalin Hyatt clip from training camp." Bob
If DeVito is next year's backup, he needs to see the field better and make better decisions.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on August 03, 2023, 11:24:17 AMAt this point I don't know if they can keep Hyatt off the field if he continues to put on this kind of show all camp.
But who do you take off the field? Does this make Slayton expendable or Campbell?
I'd probably prefer a 1 Hodgins, slot Campbell, 2 Hyatt lineup with Slayton and Wandale being the first two off the bench.
I agree with you. Hyatt is doing it all. Is Slayton a clear starter at this point versus say Hodgins or someone else?
Offense is really clicking in camp. I do not remember any previous camp about how offense looked this sharp. Wish Game 1 was here.
This staff may not see this so much in terms of starters but as situations. I can see them rotating the various WRs in and out to take advantage of down/distance, coverage, and game management, ie: the clock, score, etc.
Adoree Jackson took some snaps in the slot (with Hawkins and Banks on the outside)
Quote from: MightyGiants on August 03, 2023, 01:42:55 PMAdoree Jackson took some snaps in the slot (with Hawkins and Banks on the outside)
That's interesting. Sounds to me like they want Hawkins to get some field time at a position that might likely be his next season :-??
How does Shep look?
I wouldn't be so quick to rule out Hodgins as a starter, he was our top WR basically since he arrived, runs good routes and gets plenty of separation despite not being a burner. Good hands and is 6'4
Either way all 4 of those guys should see the field plenty.
Quote from: MightyGiants on August 03, 2023, 01:42:55 PMAdoree Jackson took some snaps in the slot (with Hawkins and Banks on the outside)
Rich: Interesting. Maybe they trust his judgment more than other guys about when to exercise a blitz option.
Maybe it gives more flexibility in dealing with certain teams that have an unusual set of receivers (weaker outside than in the slot and at tight end).
Oh well, there'll probably be an article in some rag tomorrow suggesting he's lost his starting job. LOL
Bob
Quote from: Sem on August 03, 2023, 01:11:45 PMThis staff may not see this so much in terms of starters but as situations. I can see them rotating the various WRs in and out to take advantage of down/distance, coverage, and game management, ie: the clock, score, etc.
Steve: I agree, and with the injury history of some of these guys it makes sense to get them all ready as possible.
Quote from: Sem on August 03, 2023, 01:11:45 PMThis staff may not see this so much in terms of starters but as situations. I can see them rotating the various WRs in and out to take advantage of down/distance, coverage, and game management, ie: the clock, score, etc.
Absolutely. There will be situations for Hodgins and Beasley.
Quote from: Trench on August 03, 2023, 02:18:46 PMHow does Shep look?
He looks good but they know what that have in him so he took third team reps today. With Campbell out, it gave more looks to Hyatt. I think Shep makes the team. He's a proven player in real game situations.
IMO I want Hodgins to be our Toomer 2.0...a guy you can count on to catch the ball and move the sticks, true possession receiver. We can use all of hyatt, hodgins, slayton and campbell rotating on the outside. I see Beasley and won-dale in the slot...and Shep????? He may be an odd man out unless we keep 7 WR.
Quote from: True Blue on August 03, 2023, 02:27:10 PMI wouldn't be so quick to rule out Hodgins as a starter, he was our top WR basically since he arrived, runs good routes and gets plenty of separation despite not being a burner. Good hands and is 6'4
Either way all 4 of those guys should see the field plenty.
Now that we have Waller at 6'6" who runs like a WR does that make Hodgins 6'4" frame less necessary as oppose to more speed on the outside? Just a question.
Hodgins has the height/weight that the other guys don't have. Like Ed said, probably a Slayton, Hyatt, Campbell party as you drive down the field then you bring hodgins in with Waller and Bellinger as you get inside the 40 and Redzone.
One other note. Even though McKeithen tore his ACL in pre-season, he doesn't look like he is coming back soon. He has Forest Gump level knee braces on both legs and his workouts don't look that challenging (to the knee)
Quote from: President Rick on August 03, 2023, 03:09:38 PMIMO I want Hodgins to be our Toomer 2.0...a guy you can count on to catch the ball and move the sticks, true possession receiver. We can use all of hyatt, hodgins, slayton and campbell rotating on the outside. I see Beasley and won-dale in the slot...and Shep????? He may be an odd man out unless we keep 7 WR.
Hi Rick, all makes sense but Waller may negate Hodgins. Today was an exception where they moved him Inline one snap but he's been all over the field and he catches almost everything. There was one rep and I don't remember if the DB was Flott or Holmes but the coverage was as good as it could be and Jones put the ball high and away on a crossing route in the Red Zone and it was indefensible. Waller is classified as a TE but he's a big Receiver and he's Jones' Burress with agility. Hodgins is slow and he needs to get more separation. But if Waller goes down, it's not Cager as much as it will be Hodgins.
Quote from: Philosophers on August 03, 2023, 03:19:03 PMNow that we have Waller at 6'6" who runs like a WR does that make Hodgins 6'4" frame less necessary as oppose to more speed on the outside? Just a question.
Bing!
Quote from: Jclayton92 on August 03, 2023, 03:19:41 PMHodgins has the height/weight that the other guys don't have. Like Ed said, probably a Slayton, Hyatt, Campbell party as you drive down the field then you bring hodgins in with Waller and Bellinger as you get inside the 40 and Redzone.
Good point!
Quote from: MightyGiants on August 03, 2023, 03:22:34 PMOne other note. Even though McKeithen tore his ACL in pre-season, he doesn't look like he is coming back soon. He has Forest Gump level knee braces on both legs and his workouts don't look that challenging (to the knee)
What a sad situation for this kid who lost a lot of time early on. I was hoping he would compete at RG. He's looking like a PUP.
https://twitter.com/nickfalato/status/1687188833459408896
I've read a couple of articles today that say Neal is struggling despite all of the off season work he put in. Are you guys seeing anything to confirm or deny this?
Bill
I like Myarick more than Cager and it isn't close for TE3.
Quote from: Bill Brown on August 03, 2023, 03:59:55 PMI've read a couple of articles today that say Neal is struggling despite all of the off season work he put in. Are you guys seeing anything to confirm or deny this?
Bill
He's a lot better than last year. According to Bobby Skinner who's one of the best Oline analysts out there, he's doing much better with his footwork and his stance. He needs to improve on the timing of his punch and hands. I haven't seen much bad of him. He did get beaten by Thibs on an inside move. Our edge rushers are no schlubs. So he's learning every day. I think by midseason he should be one of the better RTs out there as long as he has his head clear.
Quote from: Philosophers on August 03, 2023, 03:19:03 PMNow that we have Waller at 6'6" who runs like a WR does that make Hodgins 6'4" frame less necessary as oppose to more speed on the outside? Just a question.
I don't believe so. In fact if we closely look at Jones, his tendency is to throw a high ball so the bigger WR are a benefit to his game
Quote from: Jclayton92 on August 03, 2023, 04:27:34 PMI like Myarick more than Cager and it isn't close for TE3.
Don't sleep on Sweeney. I think he might come out on top.
https://twitter.com/bobbyskinner_/status/1687227925194579969
Quote from: Philosophers on August 03, 2023, 03:19:03 PMNow that we have Waller at 6'6" who runs like a WR does that make Hodgins 6'4" frame less necessary as oppose to more speed on the outside? Just a question.
I think if we have two or even 3 very tall capable targets, our red zone offense becomes that much more potent since defenses do not have enough tall DBs to defend them.
Quote from: GloryDays on August 03, 2023, 07:40:22 PMI think if we have two or even 3 very tall capable targets, our red zone offense becomes that much more potent since defenses do not have enough tall DBs to defend them.
And these are improvements in a Red Zone offense that already was top 5 last year - a real strength.
I'm loving the early returns on Waller and Hyatt. We might see the qb I envisioned from Jones rookie year. The early deep ball looks great so far!
Quote from: Trench on August 03, 2023, 04:48:40 PMI don't believe so. In fact if we closely look at Jones, his tendency is to throw a high ball so the bigger WR are a benefit to his game
Yeah, I really don't see any chance of Hodgins being overshadowed or the odd man out. His performance last year was maybe a hair shy of A+. He was DJ's most reliable and most productive receiver for a good chunk of a critical development year for our young QB.
That type of bond is not going to be cast aside because of an inconsistent Slayton and fragile Campbell. Hodgins is the clear #2 on this team behind Waller, and I don't see anyone particularly close to him.
I think Hyatt and Shep both could certainly threaten the playing time of Hodgins. Campbell is the clear number 1 slot with Beasley behind him.
I know we are all pumped for the offense but statistically we were horrible against the run and pass last season defensively and to have a great season we need the D to take a bigger leap than the offense in my opinion.
I don't think the Giants were bad against the pass last year. The ability to get off the field on third downs demonstrated that. Run defense was one of the worst I can ever remember. But I do think they took steps to fix that.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on August 04, 2023, 08:27:30 AMI know we are all pumped for the offense but statistically we were horrible against the run and pass last season defensively and to have a great season we need the D to take a bigger leap than the offense in my opinion.
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on August 05, 2023, 02:22:51 PMI don't think the Giants were bad against the pass last year. The ability to get off the field on third downs demonstrated that. Run defense was one of the worst I can ever remember. But I do think they took steps to fix that.
The Giants' pass defense was 18th in yards allowed, and 20th in net yards per attempt which was bottom 3rd in the league.