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On the best Giants teams we saw a player development progression where over 2-3 years they went from say marginal backup to a very solid starter or ok starter to impactful starter.  Look at Linval Joseph, Barry Cofield, Kareem McKenzie, David Diehl, Ahmad Bradshaw, etc., etc.

Over the past 10 years, that has really fallen off

How many players on the Giants current roster can you point to and really applaud their development?

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 12, 2024, 07:51:32 AMImagine finding a way to take a shot at Daniel Jones when you are writing an article entitled:

Ten traded players who will have biggest impact on 2024 NFL season



Rank 4
Brian Burns

New York Giants · DE
TRADED BY: Carolina Panthers
TRADED FOR: 2024 second- and fifth-round picks, 2025 conditional fifth-round pick (with Carolina receiving a 2024 fifth-round pick)


I thought about slotting Burns at the top of this list, and maybe I should have. Of everyone in my top 10, he seems like the safest lock to play like a star for his new team in 2024. Unlike Allen and Diggs, the 26-year-old is still squarely in his prime, and unlike Jeudy, he's a proven entity with a high floor. Burns has had a double-digit pressure rate every year of his career, per Next Gen Stats, and he should team with Kayvon Thibodeaux to boost a defense that finished 30th in pressure rate last season. The problem is, I could see Burns wrecking opponents this season and the Giants still stumbling because of offensive limitations. So, perhaps unfairly, he lands here, capped, in a way, by the lingering uncertainty around what Daniel Jones will bring to the table.

https://www.nfl.com/news/ten-traded-players-who-will-have-biggest-impact-on-2024-nfl-season



There are legitimate criticisms and concerns about Daniel Jones, and then there is an unhealthy obsession with seeking ways to put the man down.   The remarkable part is from everything we have seen of the man, he doesn't deserve the hate.  The man is among the hardest working (hardest luck) players in the NFL.  Yet there is this obsession with crapping all over him

I don't see it as hate and/or crapping on Jones.

I do agree with you that it was pointless to mention the offense and Jones as to how it pertains to the impact that Burns may or may not have in this upcoming season. What Jones and the offense do has no bearing on Burns' production.

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on Today at 06:51:14 AMThe NFL Combine lists him at 6'0½ / 175 lbs. So, if Giants.com is right, then he's grown taller by a couple inches while maintaining his teenage weight, which would make him look like a "walking stick" as he'd be even thinner than when he was 19 yrs old

Personally, I don't think the Giants (or any team) routinely measures and weighs their players and they definitely do not report it to the masses through a media source. Hence, the reason it's almost always done coming out of college in preparation for enormous contracts, so teams know exactly what they're getting (knowing full well programs lie...or putting it more kindly, "exaggerate"). Colleges are notoriously bad at telling the truth about the size of their players...especially basketball where they will call a 6'7 guy, 6'10 in the news or in programs. Regardless, teams misreport player physical data all the time

The military does a good job of measuring (used to anyway, they probably use DNA now). For height, they lay you (naked) flat on your back like on a giant caliper (think shoe-size measuring contraptions at shoe stores) to get exact measurements. Probably because they need the data to identify your dead body in the absence of other identification, should the need be. The combine uses similar methods, including lasers, radar, exacting tools, and other precision equipment, that are not used by teams. Once a player reaches the NFL, height, weight, etc., it is irrelevant and private info, unless the player reveals his personal information. I don't trust any figures released by a team, which probably enters into the legal ramifications of HIPAA laws, if numbers are even close to being precise

If I were to take a gander at a precise height/weight on Flott, I'd put it closer to 6'/190+ lbs. But that's all anyone can do because his real numbers are private

You may be right but I think teams pay close attention to ideal playing weights they want their players to be at and weight train them toward that number.  I would think whereever the player ends up is the weight they post him at each year on their website.  I may be wrong.

In photos he has muscle definition in places like his arms but he is not bulky at all.  He looks 175 to me not 190.

Former NFL defensive lineman Chris Long explains the challenges of putting on weight in the offseason, and the variation between nutrition amongst the three franchises he played for in his career.

https://www.the33rdteam.com/how-nfl-players-put-on-maintain-weight/

This got me interested in NYG's nutritionist

Stephen Smith RD CSSD LD
 


Johnson & Wales University
BS, Culinary Nutrition
2005 - 2009

Appalachian State University
Hospitality and Tourism Management
2004 - 20052004 - 2005


Texas A&M University
MS - In progress, Sport Physiology


Director of Sports & Performance Nutrition

New York Football Giants · Full-time
Sep 2020 - Present · 3 yrs 9 mos
East Rutherford, New Jersey, United States

Applied Sports Dietitian
Targeted Performance Nutrition/Fueling Performance
Jul 2018 - Present · 5 yrs 11 mos
Houston, Texas
Private Practice - Consulting, Program Development, Product Development, University Consulting, Research Consulting, Individual Clients

Texas Children's
Sports Dietitian - Adolescent Medicine
Texas Children's Hospital
May 2018 - Oct 2020 · 2 yrs 6 mos
Houston, Texas

Houston Texans logo
Dietitian/Sports Performance Coordinator
Houston Texans
Jun 2014 - Mar 2018 · 3 yrs 10 mos
Houston, Texas

USASOC
Performance Dietitian
USASOC
Feb 2013 - May 2014 · 1 yr 4 mosos
Clarksville, Tennessee Area

https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephen-smith-rd-cssd-ld-89131a11/

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Quote from: Philosophers on May 12, 2024, 08:25:41 PMOn Giants.com he is listed at 6'2" and 175 pounds.  Not a better source than that.  That's rail thin.

The NFL Combine lists him at 6'0½ / 175 lbs. So, if Giants.com is right, then he's grown taller by a couple inches while maintaining his teenage weight, which would make him look like a "walking stick" as he'd be even thinner than when he was 19 yrs old

Personally, I don't think the Giants (or any team) routinely measures and weighs their players and they definitely do not report it to the masses through a media source. Hence, the reason it's almost always done coming out of college in preparation for enormous contracts, so teams know exactly what they're getting (knowing full well programs lie...or putting it more kindly, "exaggerate"). Colleges are notoriously bad at telling the truth about the size of their players...especially basketball where they will call a 6'7 guy, 6'10 in the news or in programs. Regardless, teams misreport player physical data all the time

The military does a good job of measuring (used to anyway, they probably use DNA now). For height, they lay you (naked) flat on your back like on a giant caliper (think shoe-size measuring contraptions at shoe stores) to get exact measurements. Probably because they need the data to identify your dead body in the absence of other identification, should the need be. The combine uses similar methods, including lasers, radar, exacting tools, and other precision equipment, that are not used by teams. Once a player reaches the NFL, height, weight, etc., it is irrelevant and private info, unless the player reveals his personal information. I don't trust any figures released by a team, which probably enters into the legal ramifications of HIPAA laws, if numbers are even close to being precise

If I were to take a gander at a precise height/weight on Flott, I'd put it closer to 6'/190+ lbs. But that's all anyone can do because his real numbers are private

Quote from: ralphpal1 on May 12, 2024, 10:15:02 PMInstead of Neal we could.of drafted G Wilson
Every GM misses
But its more important why they missed
What did they see in Neal
That he is not doing now
Also what faults did they see and thought they were able to.fix and why isnt it being fixed

I think one of the issues with Neal is that they drafted a LT to play RT and not everyone can make that switch. 

Quote from: files58 on May 12, 2024, 08:55:53 PM"For files58, what did you think about that right poke Bennett gave Marchand thar the refs missed that the whole world is talking about?"

So until just a few minutes ago when they showed a close up replay of Bennet's punch to Marchand's head did I know it was so egregious. When watching the game real time I thought it was a borderline high hit. He punched him, plain and simple. The league should have suspended Bennet. My on ice solution is as follows. First a little history. My worst Ranger moment(there have been too many) was Game 7 1974 against the Flyers when Schultz beat the crap out of non-fighter Dale Rolfe, and not one Ranger came to his defense. Since then I have always thought that Ranger management should teach a few of their players how to fight, and/or some Martial Art punching. In this view since the league didn't step up right now Bennet would be out for the rest of the playoffs with a swollen face eyes almost shut missing about 6-10 teeth. That ability would only be used in a defensive or necessary retaliatory manner, not as an offensive weapon. Hockey is a beautiful, talent laden sport, but it's also violent. If the league allows fighting you might as well be really good at it, just like winning face-offs. Call it a "nuclear detterent" if you will.   

Great feedback, thank you!

On the martial arts, we know that professionals in various sports train in different martial arts disciplines for better body balance, self-defense techniques and inner confidence.

Players like Bennett should have a price tag on their head because their world centers on do whatever you have to for the win. You have to be ready to counter as soon as they play that hand. That shootout win at the Garden against Florida was encouraging because the Rangers took it to them and stayed on top of them. With Florida now up 3-1 on Boston, it's looking like that's the next obstacle.

We'll see if the Rangers tighten up the D for Game Five.

Peace!